anyway, the point of starting this thread, which i neglected to mention was i was curious to find out what peoples hopes and expectations are for the future of our society.

Pm for the latest Franco-German axis developments.

dismal, of course. but we'll adapt & manage somehow.

next: worldwide domination by the people's celestial empire

The only logical conclusion to capitalism is communism, and that is purely from a scientifical point of view, not an idealistic one. If something better came up, I'd go with it with no problems.

please don't tell me that you still believe that marx is "scientific".

I'm not the only one.

i wasn't asking about numbers...

Yes, I do. Marxism is a science and not a dogmatic doctrine that makes you think in an irrational way. It draws life from historical materialism and scientific facts, so I don't know what you're trying to say. Perhaps, you referer to all the charlatans who dare call themselves Marxists, but end up being little more than angry agitators.

i was trying to clarify where you were coming from. i wasn't yet making any pronouncements. but of course when i said "please don't tell me", etc, i suppose i was implying that marxism is an obsolete religion, yes.

because any science that starts from the future and works its way backwards is anything but a science.

I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

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I suppose demonstrations and political fight in factories and work places are a thing of the future, as well as unions and re-inforcing their importance. Yeah, right.

uh??

Nevermind. This is the sort of chit chat that turns into useless internet debate, anyway.

eh, i was hoping for an interesting exchange

it's been known to happen, on occassion, cabrOn.

I don't think that this sort of chat generally turns into more than a slanging match. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but mine is more right than others'. It's been scientifically proven by marxists.

the logical conclusion of capitalism always rings with the same earnest optimism that chirstians have for the return of christ, in my opinion

still waiting and it always gets louder when shit hits the fan

Religion is not too much of a bother when it comes to changing things. It is only as powerful as economics let it be.

generally yes, but not in every particular. i love to be convinced by a good argument, as i'm not personally affiliated to any creed. in other words-- i'm not threatened by ideas. i dislike slanging matches too, but some people don't know anything else, and then what can you do? i don't think that's the case here though.

too bad pesky economic reforms get in the way

damn you, franky roosevelt!