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If one believes in reincarnation do they get reincarnated into a world of their own mind? Maybe that is what we inhabit. Someone's dying seconds that they reincarnate infinitely into. |
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the afterlife bit though...i just don't know. just like i don't know if there is any kind of higher power or deity...i don't really think about it. it kind of freaks me out thinking about how much the human race will never know for sure during life. it's all a question of faith really. |
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does it? how???? |
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...or maybe not enough belladonna. |
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oh the first part more or less makes sene but i dont agree. i dont think reality requires interpretation-- quite the contrary-- it's the interpretation that takes you away from the direct experience of it. and then again thought what does he mean by"reality"-- something outside our own perception of it? some hypothetical thing to which we have no access then? if that is the case, the issue of time passing is more or less irrelevant. |
time passing is inevitable regardless of how you may percieve or interperet it. reality is also an inevitability -- it is something that you literally cannot escape from and is something that one experiences constantly, no matter how far they've got their head up their ass or how far gone they may appear. whether you're "in the moment" or not, the moment is still there. that two hours you spent spaced out on the couch still passed at the same rate that it always had, whether you felt it or not.
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yeah but he was saying we're always a step behind the curve cos we gotta interpret first-- i disagree there, you see? i dont believe in this "trap of memory" balls. the other thing-- if there is an "out there" that is "the real"-- that's another question, but he didn't touch on that. i added that just to entagle things. |
i do believe we're trapped in memory -- everything we do requires it. even to just type this i have to remember proper wording and spelling and all that bullshit to properly communicate my ideas.
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yes but that's only 1 type of consciousness. the pandemonium model of the brain however postulate competition between many types of input/proceses. we are perfectly capable of preverbal/mammal/reptilian consciousness. put your hand on a flame if you don't believe me. before you even think the pain is there. idealists like suchfriends put too much emphasis on the "i" which they equate with "spirit" and forget the body. |
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the lady of the rocks, the lady of situations? |
i am an idealist. i don't think in terms of reality. i think about doing things all the time that i could perfectly well bring into fruition, but i never do them.
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i didnt mean idealist in this sense (striving after an ideal) but philosophically, as in idealism vs materialism, "spirit" vs. matter. religions are all forms of idealism as they preach the importance of "spirit" (consciousness) over matter. hence the notion of disembodied conciousness in the afterlife. materialism, grossly speaking, says that consciousness is an emergent property of matter-- we aren't "ghosts in the machine" but conscious bodies. |
now that youve made that post i don't know how real anything is or where anything fits in. where do you draw the line between spirit and matter? there are people who say theyve seen a ghost, which is classified as spirit but if you can see it, it takes up space, so is therefore matter?
if nothing can be created or destroyed, are new humans made up of dead ones? that would bring up the subject of reincarnation jesus i need to sit down somewhere and consider this. |
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i don't draw such a line, i don't agree with the basic asumption that would require that line. i think consciousness arises from the body. but the body of course i see as something more complex than your average josE. when i say for example that the earth is my body i don't mean it in a hippie sene, i mean it in the way that it is in fact my extended body, that i am not evolved separate from it and i come from it. in that sense my consciousness comes from a larger body-- and eons of evolution. i disagree wholly with christians notions of the "individual" souls, etc. also when you say nothing is created nor destroyed, that applies to energy, not matter (think nuclear reactions, where matter is effectively destroyed into energy)-- however, there is a 3rd wheel in the cosmos which is information, order, intelligence-- the way matter & energy are arranged and i consider that a form of matter as well. gets a bit trickier... you can't apply 1st law of thermodynamics in such broad fashion. conservation of energy refers to energy that is all. fictions such as "spirits" are not subject to them except in the sense that these "ideas" consume energy in the brains that churn them. |
ps- and yes what "real" is-- is what i was questioning in part 2 of my response, the whole "time is irrelevant" thing because if we can't access reality via perception, can we speak of "reality" at all as if it's something we actually know? because when suchfriends says "we can't know" he implies a posible "knowing". me on the other hand, i plead total ignorance.
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Oh lordy, the mind/body dilemma. Yay. Symbols reppin the Aristotle (though I doubt if this works as a response), Tank sounding like she needs to read some Descartes...
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