Originally Posted by MellySingsDoom

No no no no no!!!

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

yes, if you are referring to synthetics like LSD-25, MDMA, or PCP.

However, Daturas, certain mushrooms, a mescaline cacti, DMT, and hundreds of other hallucinogenic plants are all naturally occurring, in fact, your brain already produces low quantities of DMT for a yet unknown purpose, the same way it produces THC and morphine as endorphins and endocannibinoids

I accept that these naturally occuring chemicals can alter the consciousness of the human mind to enhance perception.

Originally Posted by ni'k

such friends, the way you are talking - it almost seems like you are suggesting
that mushrooms take you to a different reality that always exists. as in the power they have is to unlock a state of mind that is always present. Most people instead think its just making the reality you inhabit now feel different.

i would agree with you if this is what you are suggesting. i believe that all different states of reality exist simultaenously and by ingesting shrooms or whatever we simply unlock the door to them. a bit like changing the resolution on yr computer monitor only in your mind.

If humanity got to a state where shrooms became a part of our diet permanently and our brains eventually evolved to accomodate this then the laws of physics written would prob include explanations for monstors coming out the tv screen, or whatever trippy shit becomes the norm.

Shrooms are both a drug and a power. The more people take them, the more time humans spend on them, then the more their power becomes a part of society. However at the moment since they are taken by so few the reality of shrooms is limited in the potentials it can offer to deal with a generally non tripping society.

All power corrupts of course.

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

things within my definition of a drug fit that list, but for I-man

drug= synthetic

there are chemicals in an apple that can affect heart rate or mood but we do not think of fruit as being psychotropic..

Originally Posted by Cantankerous

LSD happened because albert hofmann was working in a lab trying to use ergot fungus for something medically viable. and it ended up being LSD.

nothing spiritual going on here. once again.

Originally Posted by Dead-Air

LSD on the other hand was created by a chemist for the purpose of reaching an altered state. It may have toxic side effects, but the hallucanegic qualities are the reason for the chemical's existence.

Originally Posted by SYRFox

Okay, then cannabis is not a drug either, nor is cocaine, etc.

Originally Posted by SpectralJulianIsNotDead

That's some Phillip K. Dick shit there.

I don't quite agree with what you're saying, but I think there is some truth to it. I believe psychedelic drugs get their hallucinogenic by extreme activation of the part of the brain that imagines and is most likely largely influenced by the subconscious, which is linked to the Jungian collective consciousness, which while it may not be truly a mass of connective consciousness, perhaps in the subconscious we are much more aware of the world around us based on are own observations to such an extent of extreme intuition that is mixed in with complete nonsense when released via drugs (as in the old Greek Oracles) that has been mistaken for clairvoyance.

Originally Posted by krastian

Yeah, the whole "it's natural, maaaan" thing that hippies alway argue about is really annoying......and I'm all for "natural" things.

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

no, LSD was created by a chemist in his twenty fifth attempt on concocting a new cold medicine that functions similar to norepinephrine from a Lysergic Acid base..

"I further employed my synthetic procedure to produce new lysergic acid compounds for which uterotonic activity was not prominent, but from which, on the basis of their chemical structure, other types of interesting pharmacological properties could be expected. In 1938, I produced the twenty-fifth substance in this series of lysergic acid derivatives: lysergic acid diethylamide, abbreviated LSD-25 (Lyserg-saure-diathylamid) for laboratory usage.
I had planned the synthesis of this compound with the intention of obtaining a circulatory and respiratory stimulant (an analeptic). Such stimulating properties could be expected for lysergic acid diethylamide, because it shows similarity in chemical structure to the analeptic already known at that time, namely nicotinic acid diethylamide (Coramine). During the testing of LSD-25 in the pharmacological department of Sandoz, whose director at the time was Professor Ernst Rothlin, a strong effect on the uterus was established. It amounted to some 70 percent of the activity of ergobasine. The research report also noted, in passing, that the experimental animals became restless during the narcosis. The new substance, however, aroused no special interest in our pharmacologists and physicians; testing was therefore discontinued."



but you are absolutely correct regarding perception

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

"Mushrooms are a power, not a drug. Like all power, they must be yielded wisely."

Mushrooms are a power, not a drug.

What are your thoughts?

Are mushrooms a power or a drug?

Originally Posted by floatingslowly

Oh for crying out loud, when you start beleiving psychedelic drugs are keys to unlock doors to alternative realities there is only one clear message to heed: STOP TAKING PSYCHEDELIC DRUGS!
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LHC not LSD is my transdimensional mantra.

Originally Posted by Dead-Air

When you eat shrooms you are ingesting quite a few different chemicals which evolution has developed as a defense mechanism to convince you not to ingest them.

I also think the shamans would have given up on mushrooms ages ago if they'd had such a choice available to them.

Originally Posted by This Is Not Here

I climb mountains just for the scenery and experience, the physical challege is invariably part of it, but its never WHY I do it.