I wasn't trying to acclaim The Eternal as anything near the best ever, more like, a great way to end things by incorporating a bit of everything from every album. A lot of bands begin to sound like a cliche of themselves when they revisit their past styles like this, or worse, the milk it forever as if they were Aerosmith. Sonic Youth evolved perfectly over three decades, and yet also never abandoned their "sound" even as it changed with them.

For the record, I didn't like the Eternal AT ALL for like the first year after it came out, but then I really listened to it..

You sound really patronising there, Suchfriends. First because you are making the sort of sweeping generalisation that groups all disciplines with the same critical analysis, and second because on your previous post you seem to suggest that artistically there is a set deal of feelings to follow if you want to "get" a band. Don't take it the wrong way, but unless you (yous) have enough evidence to pluralise your opinions on the motivations for an artist to continue creating, you should just keep quiet.

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it was supposed to be only one .

This is a forum, I am not writing the Eulogy at Sonic Youth's funeral, just expressing my opinions. If you are too pussy to express yours, at least be brave enough to refrain from needlessly hostile criticism against those who feel open enough to share their own. Then again..

never assumed their was, I was just playing with you silly ;)

Any album being their last is tough to accept, but if The Eternal is it, I think it's a solid way to go out. Leaves me much more satisfied than Rather Ripped would have.

Fact: always best to not worry about what others think. Especially on a Sonic Youth forum. Reality is, Sonic Youth fans tend to be some of the biggest musical snobs ever. "I like Sonic Youth and if you Like Rather RIpped you probably aren't a real fan blah blah blah" kinda shit. Just listen to what ya want.

That said, Rather Ripped did totally suck. haha

Don't worry. I'm the only person on this board whose respect you need, and I respect you. You have my approval to post whatever you like. And come to think of it, so does Lee...

The way I understand it, after they got jacked for their truckload of guitars, Thurston started writing tunes on the acoustic. It seems pretty obvious as well, because just about any tune from the past several albums can easily be played solo acoustic. I dig it though, I think it brought out a more structured, musical element to sonic youth music.

Maybe perfect is wrong word. Maybe mature is better. I think in Eternal SY put together almost all the elements they have had after BMR. And the production is that kind nothing really much attacking you. I like these kinds of serene albums that are not too adult rock. But of course I will ever say it is their greatest album, but maybe if somebody hasn´t ever heard SY and he´s got quite ordinary music taste, I will recommed Eternal to him.

It´s me totally ok to not like Rather Ripped or Eternal. What bugs me is that every now and then somebody started thread where people say how lousy albums RR and Eternal are. I think everybody knows in this board that there are many SY fans who don´t like them.

To me it seems many SY fans had really out of realism expectations before RR and of course SY couldn´t fullfill them. Since them here has been lots of this "SY used to be great band, but they betrayed us". To me it seems many fans seem to think their favourite artists are like parents to them nowdays. I am very serious music fan, but I don´t expect artists all the time fullfill my hopes. There are many artists that I think have turned to mediocre and I don´t listen them anymore. I don´t also have any interest to be also in those artists gossibs. I am here, because I think SY still make very important music to me. I still think it´s the greatest band in the world.

Is this SYG so special message board you have to be here even you haven´t like SY after BMR?

Kurdt died for nothing.

The Eternal was OK. And while I LOVE Murray Street, I think Sonic Nurse was way better.

Honestly I think Murray Street is the black sheep of the past ten years, I always wondered why all the Sonic SNOBS gave it such acclaim while only to shit on later greater albums ;)

To me? The duds are EJSTNS and Murray Street, and everything is else is gold yo! 17 for 19 aint bad, those are straight Shaq attack numbers!!

straight shaq attack numbers.

u are sexy love the new avatar xo

Sonic Nurse would have been the perfect ending. enough said. i still love the etermal thogh.

one of the albums i physically do not own is Murray St