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Toilet & Bowels 03.06.2007 08:48 PM

pulp have some decent songs but i don't understand the appeal of jarvis cocker. or billy joel for that matter, his music is blatantly rubbish. just because one is not a snob it does not mean one should contrive an interest in junk either.

Sheriff Rhys Chatham 03.06.2007 09:18 PM

I don't think so.
Though I hate when I really like someone but hate their taste in music.
I'm

shentov 03.07.2007 03:33 AM

meatball sandwich snobs!

jon boy 03.07.2007 06:48 AM

i wouldnt call myself a snob. i like what i like and people like what they like. all music has its place. thats very diplomatic isnt it?

i dont impose my music on anyone, if people ask what it is then i tell them but dont force people to listen or think less of them if they dont like it.

Toilet & Bowels 03.07.2007 07:41 AM

i'm just better than everyone anyway, music taste or not.

sarramkrop 03.07.2007 07:44 AM

Jerk.

Toilet & Bowels 03.07.2007 07:53 AM

you're all just jealous haters

sarramkrop 03.07.2007 07:59 AM

I'm too mentally out there to really think about feeling superior to anyone.Post-snobbery is the way forward and proves that being ice-cold and bloodless is the only way to deal with indie snobs.

Toilet & Bowels 03.07.2007 08:07 AM

indie snobs are just bitter geeks, i, on the other hand, am majesty incarnate. i exhibit more majesty that christ firing his sacred sperm on to the face of jenna jameson.

jon boy 03.07.2007 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels
you're all just jealous haters


let out the anger.

sonicl 03.07.2007 08:28 AM

I used to be an indie snob, but I'm above all that childish hipster rubbish now.

Gulasch Noir 03.07.2007 08:49 AM

I like this one album by Billy Joel a lot ... don't know the title of it.

Wouldn't anno 2007 be the important question: Are you a "free folk snob" or a "drone snob"? C'mon Indie Rock snob in 2007? What does make you a snob or an elitist by liking Sonic Youth, Polvo or Fugazi in 2007?

Tanzende Schauspieler 03.07.2007 09:15 AM

I'm and indie snob and proud about it ! ! !

I still keep on playing my sleater-kinney records all over and over again and feel I'm way too cool for all of my average friends.

jon boy 03.07.2007 09:30 AM

i hate billy joel. apart from uptown girl which is amazing.

Gulasch Noir 03.07.2007 09:59 AM

I only hate the genre disco. But that as a whole. I think so at least ... This and Hot Stuff and YMCA. Other songs/genres I just don't like, ie I'm indifferent towards them.

sarramkrop 03.07.2007 10:20 AM

Some of the people i feel utter contempt for,rather than snobbery,are:

- Grown men trying to follow what the kids are up to and who use expressions such as 'Rock n Roll!' in everyday chats that don't require such language.If these grown men also happen to be actors,i feel like chopping off their heads like in a Shakesperian tragedy.

- Young and highly wrong kids who smugly say 'But i'm young!' in an annoyingly self-conscious way in every second sentence.These little shits generally happen to be students who are more concerned with having an opinion about 'stuff' when they haven't even seen the world or finished their studies yet.I've always thought that being young was meant to be a little more adventurous than that.


-Alternative gay types who end up looking down on other types but wouldn't venture themselves into any unknown musical territory unless it had what are,ultimately, easily recognizable elements and structures.Alternative to nothing,basically.

- Older music types who patronize the younger generations with their 'I was there' blablablabla.

Savage Clone 03.07.2007 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by sarramkrop
- Older music types who patronize the younger generations with their 'I was there' blablablabla.



I try not to do that, but sometimes I catch myself doing it anyway. It's a shortcoming. The thing that will usually set me off is when a much-younger person goes into lecture mode with erroneous "historical" information, or when people my same age speak of some kind of "golden age" that happened x number of years ago, forgetting that there was just as much crappy music inside and outside the "underground" as there is now.

sarramkrop 03.07.2007 10:29 AM

That's more like correcting someone,though.Nothing wrong with that.

Savage Clone 03.07.2007 10:39 AM

Most new people I meet are involved in music and are already in the sort of insulated cultural bubble I live in, so I don't usually have to ask about that. It's just sort of a given.

!@#$%! 03.07.2007 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Savage Clone
I try not to do that, but sometimes I catch myself doing it anyway. It's a shortcoming. The thing that will usually set me off is when a much-younger person goes into lecture mode with erroneous "historical" information, or when people my same age speak of some kind of "golden age" that happened x number of years ago, forgetting that there was just as much crappy music inside and outside the "underground" as there is now.


you tell them, pa!

jon boy 03.07.2007 10:44 AM

yes its the question i dread. also: what sort of stuff do you play? what are you into? and having to tell my life story to people. i want a disk that i can just give to people so they can see for themselves and save me the trouble.

sarramkrop 03.07.2007 10:54 AM

It's a bit like when you ask someone what they do because it's a formality but you secretly wish they'd just tell you that they like to walk their dog and picking their nose.Music-wise i never know what to really answer when my music taste is called out,so i try to avoid the music chat if the person i'm talking to has the vibe of someone who just likes to disagree or being antagonistic.

Iain 03.07.2007 10:56 AM

Yes, I hate those questions too. The music one stumps me because I'll listen to anything so I endo up saying "oh you know, all sorts, rock, jazz, funk, hip-hop...whatever really" which is really shit. I keep meaning to think of a good response but I can't come up with anything other than "oh just fuck off" which is what I usually want to say.

It's worse when you are playing records in public and people request something that you haven't got and then start asking "what sort of thing do you play?, what genres?" Open your fucking ears for fuck sake.

Iain 03.07.2007 11:00 AM

And I hate the "what do you do?" thing even more. Not so long ago I was in a wanky cafe place where my housemates film was showing and there were a bunch of other short films showing so there was plenty of other filmmakers and art wanks there. I was talking with my housemate and a group of others and I had this conversation:

Girl: Do you make films?

Me: No

Girl: What do you do?

Me: Nothing interesting, don't worry.

Girl+others: Ahahahahahahah...

I wasn't actually joking though. Luckily I know the girl in question a bit better and it turns out she isn't a complete cunt.

!@#$%! 03.07.2007 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Iain
And I hate the "what do you do?" thing even more. Not so long ago I was in a wanky cafe place where my housemates film was showing and there were a bunch of other short films showing so there was plenty of other filmmakers and art wanks there. I was talking with my housemate and a group of others and I had this conversation:

Girl: Do you make films?

Me: No

Girl: What do you do?

Me: Nothing interesting, don't worry.

Girl+others: Ahahahahahahah...

I wasn't actually joking though. Luckily I know the girl in question a bit better and it turns out she isn't a complete cunt.


i used to hate that question and considered it not only nosy and rude but also lacking in any sort of imagination. how can you have a decent conversation with pedestrian questions like that? booring!!

however-- since these days every social interaction is a potential business deal for me, i now have no qualms about lowering myself to this level of vulgar interaction and whoring myself and my skills, and then shoving a business card into their hands. as unpleasant as it is, as boring and bourgeois a situation, beats working for someone else's profit.

i also hate it when people ask me (insistently) how much i pay for my house. NONE OF YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS!

jon boy 03.07.2007 11:09 AM

sounds like true love iain.

Iain 03.07.2007 11:09 AM

Yeahp, the house price one is very rude but I don't really mind it so much because I have really quite cheap rent so the person who asked me usually ends up a bit miffed when I tell them. That'll learn 'em.

sarramkrop 03.07.2007 11:12 AM

Another one is the 'how much you earn?' question.That's none of your fucking business either.I only tell personal information like that to people who i know well enough and who don't form opinions on somebody's social status.

!@#$%! 03.07.2007 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Iain
Yeahp, the house price one is very rude but I don't really mind it so much because I have really quite cheap rent so the person who asked me usually ends up a bit miffed when I tell them. That'll learn 'em.


great idea! i shoud make up a fantastically low price, just to fuck with their brains...

Rob Instigator 03.07.2007 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
i used to hate that question and considered it not only nosy and rude but also lacking in any sort of imagination. how can you have a decent conversation with pedestrian questions like that? booring!!

however-- since these days every social interaction is a potential business deal for me, i now have no qualms about lowering myself to this level of vulgar interaction and whoring myself and my skills, and then shoving a business card into their hands. as unpleasant as it is, as boring and bourgeois a situation, beats working for someone else's profit.

i also hate it when people ask me (insistently) how much i pay for my house. NONE OF YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS!


that is true! I get the same shit! NUNYA BIZ-NASS Mo-FO'S!

Toilet & Bowels 03.07.2007 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by sarramkrop
-Alternative gay types who end up looking down on other types but wouldn't venture themselves into any unknown musical territory unless it had what are,ultimately, easily recognizable elements and structures.Alternative to nothing,basically.


i wouldn't say that sort of behaviour is the reserve of gays only. i have a friend who is like that, although funnily enough i think he's a secretly repressed gay.

Savage Clone 03.07.2007 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
great idea! i shoud make up a fantastically low price, just to fuck with their brains...



I bought my house so long ago that I don't have to make up a low price. It was right before the big spike in housing costs.
Still, personal finance questions are every bit as off limits as sex life questions.

SynthethicalY 03.07.2007 11:29 AM

I hate those sex questions. However I am reserved when you first meet me.

sarramkrop 03.07.2007 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels
i wouldn't say that sort of behaviour is the reserve of gays only. i have a friend who is like that, although funnily enough i think he's a secretly repressed gay.

I was thinking about a specific group of people i know when i posted that.

jon boy 03.07.2007 11:48 AM

i prefer in many ways to be anonamous.

Toilet & Bowels 03.07.2007 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by !@#$%!
however-- since these days every social interaction is a potential business deal for me, i now have no qualms about lowering myself to this level of vulgar interaction and whoring myself and my skills, and then shoving a business card into their hands.


are you lionel hutz?

!@#$%! 03.07.2007 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels
are you lionel hutz?


who?

--

oh! i had to google that as im not a simpsons fan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lionel_Hutz

no definitely not, i am neither a cartoon nor a lawyer, but ha! i do seem to have several overlapping occupations.

you should come to america & see for yourself. everybody but everybody asks you upon first meeting you "what do you do?" "i eat, i shit, i fuck, i sleep" is never a satisfactory answer for nosy people.

Iain 03.07.2007 12:08 PM

Everyone asks the same question here. I think I'm going to make an extra special effort in the future to answer in a way that makes it clear that I don't much care for the question. Any ideas other than just "fuck off". That's perhaps a bit too rude.

SynthethicalY 03.07.2007 12:10 PM

Piss of wanker? or Stuff.

hat and beard 03.07.2007 01:04 PM

Just for the record - I have no problem with people who have discriminating taste. I have my own particular tastes too.
I have a problem with people who make character judgements on others based on such useless criteria as what kind of music they listen to / what kind of clothes they wear etc.. Like having lofty ideas about art and music or whatever is some sort of key to the universe that the rest of us dullards will never know.
If somebody enjoys listening to music you don't understand you should be happy for them.
That's all I have to say on the subject.


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