I used to think Darkman was the worst ever but I rewatched it and i enjoyed it......

The worst movie ever is Inherent Vice

I have walked out of two movies in my life.

Inherent Vice

Todd Sweeney demon barber

and I walked out ANGRY both time.....

LEX LUTHOR is not and never and was never supposed to be INSANE! He is a criminal mastermind, fully sane, just fully cold and ruthless! I hate eisenburger. fucking shit actor in everything I have ever seen that fucker in. Hate him like I hate Inherent Vice.

Ok, setting aside BvS for a minute, I fully agree with you about Inherent Vice. I didn't walk out of it, but only because I didn't see it in the theatre. We turned it off, though, and never turned it back on even though there was only half an hour left. It was fucking awful, and none of the wit and brilliance of the novel translated to the screen.

I also hated Sweeny Todd. Watched it once, then tried again a few years later, and stopped less than half way through. It was a complete shit show.

But I really wish people would stop getting all up in arms about what these characters are "supposed" to be. They have changed countless times over the decades. Whatever you're thinking of as Lex Luthor is almost certainly not the original. Did the original turn into a superhero and fight alongside Superman in the future, wearing a green and purple fucking robot suit? Fuck no. But that's happened in the comics so much that's it's practically canonical.

My favorite Luthor was from The Dark Knight Striles Again. He was all fucking blood thirsty and brutal and full of murderous evil intent and cruelty. That was fun. But it was nothing like the original Luthor. And the Joker is mostly nowhere near as smart or serious as Heath Ledger's Joker. But Ledger's joker is now "THE" Joker, and it's a damn good thing.

As I said, as Luthor. Eisenberg's villain really doesn't work. But as a new spin on a character that's needed an update for a while... as an experiment... He was fine!

Plus, he's obviously been fucked with by Darkseid. His brain should be a little warbled.

And go see the movie before you start talking about how he's supposed to be a criminal mastermind, because even with the craziness, he does a pretty good job of masterminding the fuck out of the film.

Oh, and what the fuck do you mean he's never been insane? Criminal masterminds and murderers hell bent on killing aliens and increasing their power at the expense of anyone and anything aren't insane?

Sure, the movie portrays him (or his son.. or whatever) as more of a psychopath than a sociopath, which is generall how he's portrayed when he's a villain. But big deal. Gene Hackman played him as a freaking used-car salesman type of supervillain. A totally hokey (but pretty awesome) douche bag. A comedic figure more than anything else.

The comics chiefly portray him as a stone faced, calculating bully, and that's never translated on to the screen.

Again, I think it should have been Bryan Cranston, but what the fuck do I know. If they'd followed in Richard Donner's footsteps, they would have cast John C. Reilly. And not serious John C. Reilly... Like, Step-Brothers John C Reilly. Talladega Nights John C. Reilly. Yuck.

If it can't be a perfect portrayal of the character as imagined in the comics, then I'm all for an experimental take on the character. Jesse Eisenberg kinda bugs me because I think he believes himself to be a really genuine character actor of the highest pedigree, and he's not bad, but he's not that great. His Zuckerberg came across as a bit frothy-at-the-mouth too, thanks to Aaron Sorkin's mile a minute screenplay, and some of that translated over to this. But whatevs. I'm fine with it.

sanity requires control of your brain facilities.

A truly insane person does not run multinational business or criminal empires like Lex. The truly insane blow shit up for kicks like the Joker.

But I will see the movie. Gonna go hit it at a $5 ticket price (before Noon at theater near me)

Then I am gonna cry

this from Cracked.com made me laugh

Ha!

Dude, sane people don't murder with intent. Period. Anyone can be pushed to do awful things under the right circumstances, but it takes a sociopath at least to engineer and mastermind grand schemes that take people's lives. Luthor's a total socio. But most sociopaths are very in control of their faculties, and take great care to sculpt situations around which they can get what they want.

Anyway whatever, glad you're going to see the movie. I know you love DKR and DKSA, so I am looking forward to hearing your reaction.

Also, how's that Book with a capital B coming along? Eh?

She is a fan and generally has good taste as well as more tolerance for crap than me so her walking out says something

Yeah, you're right. I'm sorry to say it, but Superman is just not working with this generation. I think it's partly because the character is considered too simple and too "boring" by a lot of fans who have come to expect more complex and relatable stories. In fact, Batman is partially to blame for this. I don't know when it truly started, but it came to a head with Tim Burton's Batman. That movie reinvented Batman in a pretty perfect way for that era, and ever since then comic books and films have strived to be more high-brow, and more character driven.

Marvel took the cue, and they tried to model their movies after Tim Burton's Batman... in ways that vary from subtle (making the X-men suits black) to absurdly obvious (the Daredevil movie), and it still dogs them to this day. They try to make the Avengers feel pretty "dark" (for the Avengers), and Iron Man has basically become just a snappy Republican Batman.

Superman doesn't exist in that world. He is a simple character but he's based on some very interesting religious and philosophical concepts, and to explore those you need to get pretty big and un relatable. You need to address ideas of gods and men, and you need to frame Superman in a way that shows and demonstrates his power, but also his vulnerabilities.

That's fuckin' hard.

Batman is the most popular super hero of all time, and has been for many years now. For good reason! He's way better and infinitely more intersting than Spider-Man, and his villains are choice. He works well in the modern world. But

Ouch. Well, I can see that. If you're expecting to see your heroes rendered as they are in comics, it's a toss up. It does a good job and a bad job simultaneously. If you're into Killing Joke and DKR, and other non-canon stories, and you're up for a revamping of classic characters, it's unmissable because of what you get to see. If you cling to canon, or to the characters as you see them in your mind, you might get pissed.

Either way, I love both characters more than anyone else I know. I really do. And I'm hypercritical of adaptations of these two cherished characters. So if it was really all that insulting to fans, I would have been the first to bolt.

If she walked out before the last half hour, I feel bad for her. She missed a hell of an ending though.

And I hated the ending because, again... nooooo! and whatnot.

thanks man. I guess. most people make up usernames to be the stupid troll but, not me. im the real deal. I post what I think at that second. like a conversation. I have no shame until the shame catches up with me. even still then, im up on my two feet rolling with it. planets are like treadmills you know.

Haha! See? I love this guy. I'll have what he's having

....

(Crickets)

I am about 120 pages into THE BOOK and it is awesome

YES! I'm so glad to hear it. I'm still down to read a recommendation of yours. It's only fair. I hope you tear right through book 1 and just do all 4 in one go. It's worth it.

I'm repping you in my heart again.

im having onions on the grateful dead with a side order of chocolate covered crickets.

Yeah, I never got that onion thing. Did you really think the thread was asking for "Onions on the Grateful Dead"? Didn't your brain make you do a double take on that one bro? If not, please at least tell me you were drunk, because if not I have some concerns about your neurological well being. :(

wait, it's "Opinions on the Grateful Dead"?

well i'll be damn. this whole time im thinking "why not green peppers instead".;)

Why and HOW do the bats create some sort of tornado that lifts Bruce out of the old well he falls in? That a dream? hallucination?

In the comics it was Bruce's father who rescued him from the well, not magical bats!

Did you miss the voice over? Bruce says "in the dream they brought me up, toward the light" ... and something about how reality was the opposite ("the Bat," Bruce's lil' primal self, takes him even further into the darkness).

I admit when I was watching that scene I was saying "what. what. what. oh my fucking God..." out loud in the theatre, and breathed a huge sigh of relief when I realized it was a dream.

Still, that's not how I would have gone about setting up Bruce's story. It was just too much. And it was a double insult to Superman, on top of receiving SECOND BILLING in what was originally going to be, and essentially still is, HIS movie, that narrative duties went to Bruce Wayne.

I've been thinking so much about this, and even though I liked the movie, I can't really recommend it to anyone in a concise way. I think it's unmissable for the sheer spectacle of it, but there's just a lot of stuff that doesn't work. If it had been a Justice League movie, that would have worked better. But Batman and Superman are so different that it doesn't seem possible to truly do justice to both characters in the same film.

In this film, Superman suffered (literally and metaphorically) but I still wouldn't have missed it for the world.

I heard the other day that a proper Man of Steel 2 IS actually still in the plans for the DCEU. But what's it going to be about? They've taken all these Superman characters and turned them into Batman/Superman/Wonder Woman/JL characters.

If I'd been in charge, I would have pulled a Dark Knight, and made a solid character driven sequel to man of steel that featured the most iconic villain (Luthor), setting things up for a third installment that dealt with the big muscle bound baddy (Doomsday). Seriously, if they'd followed Doomsday's canon story, they could have made an entire movie out of his journey to earth and the destruction he wreaks once he's there.

I say fuck Justice League movies. Make a movie of every major character, and let them exist on their own or in a shared multiverse, and worry about a crossover later, if the opportunity presents itself and looks doable.

I am looking forward to the Flash movie. I'm also excited about Green Lantern CORPS (which should really be where Doomsday is introduced, but whatever), and of course Wonder Woman. To me, they're making a mistake by including Cyborg. Who cares about Cyborg? Nobody. It's just a plot mechanism to get Apokalips technology and Darkseid references into the mix. But I barely know who Cyborg is.

Still, I prefer the tone of all of the DC movies to the tone of Marvel films.

I like my superhero stories dark and convoluted. I want to see gritty sci-fi violence and huge explosions and characters struggling with moral delemas. I do not want snappy comebacks from my stoic heroes, nor do I want cutest "bro-bonding" scenes. Or effeminate androids.

I for one can't wait to see Cap beat the smirk off of Iron Man's face in Civil War. Though mark my words, Cap is the Superman in that story, and I believe he's going to have a rough time at the end of that film. :(

Oh! Can't wait to see War Machine die also! For some reason Don Cheadle really irritates me. I would have much rather seen Terrance Howard continue in that role. Fucking Don Cheadle man. What the hell. Guy's playing Miles Davis too? Ugh.

"some reason" = he's black



this is why we can't have black oscars


kkk please! don cheadle is great

also your children's movies are greatly improved by joss whedon. they'd be unwatchable otherwise.

Finally, this thread gets interesting. Thanks !@#$%!

pffft! you people are nuts. can you smell opinions and can they make you cry? I think so.

Hey where you been?!

Also Terrance Howard's black. Guessing you know that.

And yeah, Joss Wheadon gives wings to just about anything he touches. He's really the only reason I watched the Avengers. But I'll take Firefly or Cabin in the Woods any day. Also, he's pretty much done with Marvel as far as I know. He did the Avengers but the next two Avengers films are contracted out to the guys who did Winter Soldier and Civil War. Which is fine with me because the Cap movies are my favorites in the grand scheme o' things.

I found this movie fun to watch but its not my ideal Superman. I think a great tone for a Superman film would be a combination of Forest Gump and Indiana Jones. Zemeckis and Spielberg please

such sarcasm wounds me, sir


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i didn't know his name but he's a lightskin to don cheadle's blueblack. like denzel and hallie berry. blueblack oscars ftw.

no, lissen, i'm just shittin you. please ignore.

but don cheadle IS great. you don't like house of lies?


i don't like this type of comic book, so whedon made them palatable to me with his humor ("it seems to operate on some sort of electricity"). i haven't cared for capes and masks since elementary.

OTOH, "preacher" just started production here in neo-mex -- HELL YEAH. PREACHER.

for a good "superhero" (in a way) movie watch "the protector" with tony jaa. a reboot of ong bak, more bananas than the original.

in many ways a complete mess, but sooooooooooo much fun (i saw the original thai version not the "theatrical release"). flying knee kicks ftw. NO WIRES. NO CGI.

ETA: but i'll watch anything that has scarlett in it. because scarlett.

Preacher's going to be damn near impossible to adapt. I wonder how they're going to dampen it down to make it affordable and palatable to tv audiences.

it's AMC

Breaking Bad didn't hold back any punches

as for price, it can't be more expensive than replicating the 60s as they did with Mad Men.

http://www.amc.com/shows/preacher/vi...ailer-preacher

I am half way through Batman VS Supes and I am so BORED. It makes no sense to have a movie where Batman has been doing his thang in Gothjam for 2 decades and the world just now heard of Superman?


Every ten minutes watching Supes vs bats I experience something so stupid and insensible that I die a little inside....

Doomsday is in this movie? Why?

Wow. That's a strong reaction. I did not feel that way at all.

But I wasn't expecting great filmmaking. I was expecting to see flashes of some of my favorite comic books on screen. That's what I saw. A few too many of them actually.

for a project that made little to no sense from day 1 (LEARN YOUR LESSON FROM THIS, ASSHOLES, AND JUST MAKE A PROPER SEQUEL NEXT TIME) it managed to exceed almost all of my expectations. I mean, fucking Ben Affleck as Batman? A "World's Finest" versus film? Why? Anyway, I wish it had been entirely isolated from any previous or upcoming films, but that's not the case. It's irrevocably connected now. But still, I had a fine time watching it and anyone who thinks it's some kind of new low for superhero movies has not been paying attention to, y'know... superhero movies. Come on, Age of Ultron? Or christ, Fant4stic? Or the other F4 movies? Or all the Spider-man movies? What about the X-men movies? All pure gobs of shit.

it is kind of a bummer though. This is already having an effect on Suicide Squad, which is making re-shoots to inject more comedy into the film.

Whatever, moving on. Where's my Dark Knight blu-ray?

Because NOOOOO!!! and whatnot. Also, because the logic behind the premise of the film was to throw so much stuff that every DC fan would feel a need to go see it.

Part of me feels like Doomsday was in the film because the studio wanted to satisfy the teeming masses of snobby fucks who hate Superman and want to see him get hurt. Cast a big enough net, maybe you'll catch some fish.

Doomsday was actually pretty goddamn cool in the movie, but he shouldn't have been in it. Yes, I've wanted to see him for as long as I've wanted to see Bane. If only for simple curiosity about how it would be done. But sadly, even though this film did the character's destructive power justice, it didn't end up serving the story. It ended up killing the story.

Tom Hardy was a good Bane. I don't care if nobody agrees. He was chilling, and succeeded in not being cheesy and stupid. Dark Knight Rises was a good film. If only Christopher Nolan wasn't an actual, like, filmmaker... with, like, a personal investment in the quality of his art... maybe HE could have been the one manning the controls for the new cinematic Superman. He was an executive producer for BvS, but his style isn't felt in the film the way it was, sort of, in Man of Steel. I get why he didn't want to be in charge of the DC universe, though. He approached Batman like it was not a comic book film. That's why he did such an excellent job. Now he's off to make more cerebral period pieces and cerebral sci-fi and cerebral psych-thrillers. I wish him the best.

All time favorite superhero movies:
1. The Dark Knight
2. Man of Steel
3. Batman Begins
4. The Dark Knight Rises
5. Whatever sucks the least, or feels the most novel and exciting in the moment. Probably Deadpool right now. But whatever. Subject to change.