kgmama, if you are reading this, I hear you posted that special olympics kid joke. that shit is NOT funny. think befor eyou attempt humor based on correlating one person's choice to be stupid with another person;s handicap/birth defect.


and screamingskull, I was not calling you anything.

and I have gotten on people's asses here for posting that stupid mean "retarted" joke before, porks.

it really follows along with calling things "gay".

but it's the internet and to take up that fight is something that requires stamina.

I don't think that the people who say those things mean any REAL disrespect toward who / what they are talking about (Vs. Who They Are Talking To). it doesn't mean I think it's right, but that keeps my bloodpressure low on the subject. :p

NEXT TOPIC: I'm a'scared of midgets. (AKA Midgets Vs. Sonic Youth)

I choose Sonic Youth again. that's 2-1 today.

here's another screwball coming up with a chivalrous admonishment:

you know the phrase "if you're so smart, why you ain't rich"?

well, if you're such a genius, as you claim, why would you choose to spread your pomposity by picking a fight with an 18 year old girl? how is that "genius", genius?

she likes what she likes.

lay off her or i'll kick your ass in front of everyone.

they are both great, also i dont really bother categorizing it like that, though if say Flaming Lips and SY are playing the same night who do you go I woukd choose Sonic Youth (Ive seen both multiple times).

another issue is the narrow minded nature of some fans, for ex all the bitching and complaining like how dare Yeah Yeah Yeah come after SY (I was there at McCarren Park). Please cant we just all get along. Also Fugazi is great, but as far as the live experience with them, lets just say be prepared to be sucker punched, kicked etc by the random skinhead, if you take it back to 1994. I dont miss that.

Okay Let Washing Machine clear this up:

I think Screamingskull meant the title to be taken as an invitation to discuss the merits of the flaming lips 'vs' the merits of sonic youth, Unfortunately as is the case with the internet (even the almighty SY forum) things dont always turn out that way. Atari (is generally an excellent poster and someone of whom I wouldnt be surprised was in the genius range in terms of IQ anyway) and screamingskull got off on the wrong foot at the start. However I like you both as posters so kiss and make up...NOW! Although on a 'Sonic Youth' forum very few people are going to admit the lips are a better band. As for me I dont think I know enough about the lips to add anything intelligent to the debate...so in fairness I should fuck off...sorry!

All threads are dumb. Calling a thread pointless is almost laughable the whole message board experience is pointless. People are going use forums to discuss, chat about meaningless shit and generally bitch about things they hate just like in real life...everyone shits so to speak...YOUR ON A MESSAGE BOARD TALKING TO PEOPLE YOU HAVE NEVER MET...You left your right to be high and mighty when you signed up....go fuck your wife, sonic sex and all that shit

Peace Out
Washing Machine.

wash the rock, wash the rock washing machine!

What a bunch of miserable clap-trap.

Look, you people have read my posts for five years, you already know I'm a genius.

The only I.Q. test worth anything, the Stanford-Binet, has me at 141.

No it's not a classy thing to bring up and brag about, I realize that, but being called a "retard" by a notorious douchebag left me little choice.

We've had threads about I.Q. scores before (threads I didn't start) which are being conveniently forgotten at the moment.

The score is 47-to-1. screamingskull never had a leg to stand on, & all you johnny-come-latelys are opportunistic a-holes, rotted-out and hollow to the core.

you get points for that. it takes cajones the size of basketballs to say stuff like that man.

I'm going to give you the genius thing. you're obviously very smart and it didn't take me five years to figure that out. however, I think tearing into this young lady for wording her post not as tactfully as it could have been isn't very tactful in itself.

your genius is being wasted on vitriol my friend.

I get your point, but, no, I do not agree with that.
Sure, I could have kept my head a little cooler in this thread at times, but hey, I'm no fucking saint, and, unlike some people, I'm not going to pretend to be one.

Like I wrote before, this thread inspires diatribe, not discourse. Perhaps you should pull out your dictionary.

Contrary to what some newer people might think, I have no particular ill will towards screamingskull because of this particular thread, and I'll just leave it at that.

I'm not going to let bullshit slide just because she's female, that's for sure.

Look, when AssBlaster was relentlessly hounding Laila, "Sunni Poony" and all that, I was the one that shut his ass up, and it's just so humorous and ironic that !@#$%! comes in as some protector when he's the most lecherous board member here. As for swa(y), has he made his quota for misogynist posts this week? People that I have problems with tend to eventually get banned around here, so I'd just watch the bullshit coming from your side. I hope we understand each other.

I could go on to write more & it would, no doubt, put me in further hot water, so I shall stop here, because the truth would hurt too much anyway.

you are saying if that if someone disagrees with you they get banned?

if that's truely the case, go on and have your cronie delete me now.

although I generally agree with you and think that you are dead-on right about a lot of stuff, I reserve the right for dissent.

maybe you're good at solving math problems. judging by your i.q. im actually better at them than you. regardless, i'm not here to ask people to recognize what a smart boy i am, but to tell you that you've been acting like a deranged teacher's pet, and it's quite pathetic for a man your age.

if she really "didn't stand a chance", then it's quite low of you to try to spread the misery of your life onto a young person who may not know everything but is full of enthusiasm and enjoys life. what is it that you resent in her?

she was looking for a conversation; you were free to participate or not. you "did not approve" of her subject-- oh high prophet! your post (or posturing) did not expose her failings however, only yours-- most obvious ones for anyone who has been reading your scribbllings for a long time. you are a fairly smart guy who at times acts like a raving lunatic, dr. jekyll.

yes, you may have a relatively high i.q. (one that doesn't impress me), but if you are under the delusion that this number gives you a free pass to act like an asshole and suck the joy out of the life of a kid, then you're missing a whole brain lobe. you also lack a sense of proportion-- your petty crusades are the equivalent of playing with toy soldiers, but here you would think you're fighting world war III and everything is allowed.

as you may know, i.q. tests don't measure emotional intelligence, and in that area my friend is where you are completely out of whack, or wacked, or simply wack. if you need to come to the internet to proclaim your genius, i believe you are at the end of your rope. i beg you to seek help.

in spite of my compassion for your evident emotional pain, and how your behavior is evidence that misery loves company, i'm not going to let you get away with you trying to shit on a kid. sorry. you may have an i.q. of 199, but you're still acting like a stupid fuck, and you need to get your head out of your ass & get over your denial-- you're clueless about certain things...simple things like your own behavior. loon.

Like a genius doesn't know he's a genius, an idiot doesn't know he's an idiot.

I mentioned it because I was called a "retard."

Yeah, it's a bit of a nanny nanny boo boo, but all I did was mention the "genius" thing because of the put-down.

Sure, it was silly of me to do so owing to milieu we are in,
but I did it anyway.

I knew that it would most likely become a focal point of the thread to drop the "genius" bomb too,
but I did it anyway.

It's a bit like giving the enemy ammunition.

I don't mind.

Atari, you're a popular member of the board. Even I've found a lot of your recent posts interesting and funny (you know what I'm saying).

But there's no competition going on here. You don't have to be constantly proving yourself.

(And you're well read so we both know the value of IQ tests).

You sir, exhibit the apparent tendencies of a yellow-bellied muckraker.

I totally understand what you are saying, but for me I really have more fun with the theatrics. At least, the Flaming Lip's theatrics. I would be put off if it were just costumes on all of the band members. That'd be a shitty gimmick. But the Flaming Lips really go all out to the point where it becomes a fantastic experience.

I can enjoy bands who just play their songs with passion, but when done right, the big theatrics really make it a more enjoyable experience for me.

As for the poll, I voted the "can't decide" option. Right now, I'm kind of out of Sonic Youth and The Flaming Lips. I have been exploring other music a lot right now. I get kind of bored with some of the Flaming Lip's earlier music, but the same goes with some of SY right now. I'm sure I'll get back into it later.

That's you he's talking about porky. I'm more of a lilly-livered muckraker.

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You sir, exhibit the apparent tendencies of a yellow-bellied muckraker.

Sorta like how swa(y) eventually learned to tell his woman that "she's acting like a bitch," and not that she is a bitch.
(freely substitute "bitch" for "whore")

I mean, let's hunt the right target here if were are hunters that must hunt.
Anyway, hope the above joke doesn't necessarily have to come off as misogynistic, and thus add to the "ammunition dump." It's just a (I feel) humorous little jab.
Well, actually (then again) it's not that funny at all considering swa(y)'s threads and that he is actually like that.
Hey, what are you gonna do? Some people are assholes.
You might as well just have a laugh at their expense.

Assholes, that is, not retarded people!

Look, I figured if the dry "muckraker" wasn't entertaining maybe this would be since it's a little more juicy.

Oh I didn't realize we were arguing with Atari now...

I'll leave.

flaming lips really suck

The flaming lips are a fuckin joke, a joke I tell you!

I have to disagree. Not that SY is better, because honestly I don't think such a question should arise in the first place. It's not fair, it's not like they even make similar music. Apples and oranges, people. But to say FL had NO creativity before Drozd is simply incorrect. Granted, he almost single-handedly made them what they are today, but they were very good pre-Drozd. He just took them in a different direction. In fact, without Drozd, if they continued to progress in what they were doing before, them touring with SY last year would have probably made more sense. And as far as their amazing live shows that can transform the hardest of punk rockers into giddy little children, it is almost exclusively from the mind of Coyne.

I totally agree. Simply on the basis of evolution, Flaming Lips FAR surpasses Sonic Youth. Not saying that this is any indication of their music - like I said before, I don't get into the whole "who's better than who" discussion - but listening to SY era 87 and then 07, it's believable they are the same band. With the Flaming Lips on the other hand, unless you are already aware of their discography, you would probably not realize they are the same.

(Sorry if my arguements sound elementry, I am very tired, and also none too bright :))

The Flaming Lips have had their moments in their career and all, but c'mon, they were covering Sonic Youth back in the '80s!

I retracted my statement of no creativity earlier to screamingskull, I meant to convey a sense of talent or originality. You have to agree with that (originality), come on, the person who made them sound somewhat original was Drozd, like you said they have several era's and in all those era's its an outsider of the original lineup that brings in that era's sound. I was a bit passionatte in my post (calling them a fluke, a joke etc...) and for that I'm sorry, I didn't mean to slam them that hard, but it was that easy, I don't believe in the better or not issue, but when it is pushed (this thread) I seem to evolve into this angry, ogerous being that bludgeons whatever I don't see eye to eye with.

I like the FL, especially CTM,Soft Bulletin,Yoshimi. Like you said it isn't fair to compare bands, they are apples and oranges, but you have to agree if SY is an apple and the Fl are an orange, then the apple would taste a lot better comapred to the quality of other apples, than the orange would compared to other oranges.

Wow, very well put. And I too apologize, I failed to noticed your previous retraction of your statement. I also am aroused to anger on the topic of music with great ease, and I did not see any posts after your first one, I saw only red. And what you said here is correct, as far as originality, they had nothing until Drozd. I wouldn't go as far as to say they were covering Sonic Youth as Dead-Air says, but they were definately ripping off Butthole Surfers. And if Flaming Lips are apples, and Sonic Youth are oranges, then Butthole Surfers are lima beans, and it that respect Flaming Lips are quite alright with me.

I can get behind that!

I made a post saying just about the same thing on the Surfer's forum awhile back (cool people, but dead bands never bring forums new blood). nobody saw the connection! there's a lot of older tracks that are straight Paul Leary rip-offs.

honestly though, the person who's had the most influence on the Lips for the longest time is Dave Fridmann. everything after he started producing sounded like Mercury Rev to me.

these are not bad things however, and in fact most bands I like take influence from other bands I like. there's very little that's cool, new and original anymore....

I may not listen to the Flaming Lips much these days, but they still have a fond place in my heart from being my favorite band for many many years.

besides the music, I can honestly say that they are among the coolest, nicest and most genuine people on the planet (and maybe the MULTIVERSE). too many other "rockstars" let that shit go to their head.

I read that the Flaming Lips eat poo pooo

they both rock, I listen to sonic youth more though.
I think Yo La Tengo vs Sonic Youth would be a muich better comparison

yeah, nothing's all that original anymore, such are the times...
sounds like Mercury Rev covering Pink Floyd/David Bowie

Never really got the Flaming Lips, to be honest. Their DVD biog thing was good, though.

yr close!

I cackled.

true story.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/rs1urp imo