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well informed and thinking clearly. we have too many muddleheads.

Got to keep your head straight.

wait... what were we just talking about?

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Originally Posted by m1rr0r dash

wait... what were we just talking about?

ha...yyeah man, like I totally don't know where I am right now...wow.

m1rr0r dash, you see how Mr. !@#$%! (I don't know what yer talkin' 'bout with mary J. wanna propa-what, propaganda) completely ignored your germane account of how many people on SSRI bullshit just need to smoke some pot? Funny.

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Originally Posted by atari 2600

im busy and dont have time to read that long thing right now mr. paranoid muddlehead. when i can read for comprehension i'll post him an answer. good day.

ps- you need therapy

yeah, you just glossed right over it...

propa-what?
propa-who?

m1rror offers a convincing and empirical testimonial and you just ignore it because it doesn't further your agenda...nice.

ok that was unkind. not untrue, but unkind.

i mean my saying you need therapy.

xoxo

hugs and kisses for everyone, potheads, crackheads, and meth-heads. Hugs and kisses all around.

all i know is, that the first time i smoked pot i got all introspective when i didn't want to be like that and i didn't like it. on the other hand, i was about to beat the living crap out of some asshole that crossed the line, if i hadn't smoked, i would have sent somebody to the hospital.

subsequent times, i've felt nothing, i smoke and smoke and smoke and nothing at all, i get more fucked up with marlboro lights.

speed i'll try to avoid because it sounds as too perfect of a drug for me (i have sleeping disorders and had full blown up insomnia in high school); if i find something that will make me awake and with energy for a long time then i'll probably won't stop. at the same time, i'm aware of the effects it produces, becoming a lunatic nightmare and whatnot, i don't want to end up like that, that's why i'm staying away from it.

now, excuse me, i need to go to the store for smokes...

ps: the last time i toked, i was with these guys and they were like "maaaaaaaaaaan you know what would be perfect? let's put on some pink floyd man!!!!". and they went on to put pink floyd..."confortably numb", "wish you were here", their fucking greatest hits!!! and sometimes they would play the song three or four times in a row because they kept forgetting they were listening to it!!! i seriously wanted to kill myself.

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Originally Posted by atari 2600

ha...yyeah man, like I totally don't know where I am right now...wow.

lol

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Originally Posted by atari 2600

m1rr0r dash, you see how Mr. !@#$%! (I don't know what yer talkin' 'bout with mary J. wanna propa-what, propaganda) completely ignored your germane account of how many people on SSRI bullshit just need to smoke some pot? Funny.

barely funny haha, not funny weird at all.

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!

yeah no shit. that's why when i smoke i do it right at the computer-- nicotine-powered 17-hour workdays

but i quit. it was fucking up my tongue & stinking the house.

damn internet. this shit is my main problem now. you bitches.

i translated as:

yeah no shit. wasting time sucks. tl;dr. oh shit i'm wasting time posting this... gotta go.

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Originally Posted by Everyneurotic

Remember my mention of the different strains? I believe it applies here. What you've more than likely smoked is the "brown frown," which is named thusly for a reason.
"Commercial" brick-weed swag comes in from Mexico through Texas and California, but it is rare that any good bud makes its way down south to Mexico way. In short, I would move, but that's just me.

And as for those guys you mention, there are of course stoners of that ilk everywhere. I have a good friend who does the same type of thing. He usually repeat-plays "Imagine" by John Lennon.
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i'd rather putnup with a stoner playing shity floyd than a coke head wanting to talk my ear off about whatever is on their fucking mind

true... but i'd rather be the coke head talkin yr ear off than the stoner annoying you with my shitty taste in tunes... in real life, i'm the stoner impressing you with my awesome taste in tunes... if may i say so myself.

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Originally Posted by m1rr0r dash

...my experience fits more with this than what rob's talking about...

and yes, i've continue to smoke after realizing that, yes it has affected my productivity, and yes i sometimes get irritable when i don't smoke for a while. this is true for both tobacco and weed. i used to get slammed sometimes when i first worked at offices for spending 10-15 minutes of every hour standing outside smoking cigs. that's fully 20-25% of my productivity down the drain right there. but i was far from the only one, and when you throw in making coffee and drinking it while standing outside chain smoking, there were people there who spent closer to 30-35% of every work day on the entirely unproductive task of feeding their dependencies.

as far as medicated life goes... i've also spent a couple of years walking around like a zombie on meds my psychaitrist was feeding me and my ex-wife was telling me made more "mentally stable." i was entirely weed and alcohol free for around 3 years. i was taking fairly high doses of risperdal, seroquel and other atypical anti-psychotics that my doctor was telling me could help bi-polar disorder, which is what they said was causing my periodic problems with depression and that i just didn't recognize the periods of intense productivity and creativity coupled with often serious sleep-deprivation (so called hypomania) as problematic.

within the first 3 months of taking these medications, i had gained nearly 30 pounds. i began sleeping upwards of 12 hours a day, yet i was still falling asleep at my desk at work. on more than one occasion i had serious problems judging distances while trying to park my car, and not even parallel parking. for a short period i lost the ability to establish a mental image of the space around me. for example while driving on the highway i would glance in the rearview mirror and see a car in the next lane over a little ways behind me. when i looked back at the road in front of me, i could no longer see in my mind's eye how far behind me the other car was. i'd find myself checking my mirrors almost constantly and still only narrowly avoided a couple of accidents. i had trouble picking up an object from the desk in front of me with my eyes closed, even if i had just been looking at it. as an aspiring architect this was truly frightening.

even after finding a combination of meds that didn't have me falling asleep at my desk and stumbling on the stairs, i eventually gained around 40 pounds and my risk for diabetes had gone up fourfold. i was still sleeping 10 hours a night to feel as rested as i used to feel after 7 or 8. and i found that if i didn't take my medication, i would be literally unable to fall asleep for hours, doze off for an hour and half, then wake up and stare at the ceiling until the sun came up. i gradually stopped hanging out with my friends, lost all interest in my career, and slowly began hating myself.

since then, i've gotten divorced, quit the meds, gone back to grad school, lost nearly all the weight (i'm down to 135 from 165), become a far more sociable person and eventually resumed smoking weed on a fairly regular basis. if that's not a good thing, i don't know what is.

ha ha holy shit man. yeah some meds are hardcore and will fuck you up. you have to be a proactive patient not just take it lying down. i take a bit of zoloft on occasion, just to snap me out of some moods when the light diminishes (i get the seasonal blues,purely physical, nothing cognitive) and that helps. but i couldn't be on that on long periods because i like the occasional cocktail or beer or bottle of wine. (a side benefit of zoloft is that it takes you forever to cum and it's better than tantra ha ha ha). but i digress.

this shituation. also depends on the doctor. my own shrink rather than trying to force me to be normal taught me how to live happily with my own eccentricities (that was the therapist not the prescribing psych). this is why i'm typing at 6pm in my pajamas here, ha ha ha-- i don't fit into a corporate environment and never will.

then once i had this prescribing shrink that was feeding me paxil and i felt i was overdosing once the spring returned and i was smoking and drinking coffee & getting more naturally high, so i told him & we stopped. he once also gave me some fucking lithium, and there i was navel gazing all morning until i picked up the phone & said man, i have been sitting here all day doing nothing, i have to go to school, i can't take this fucking pill and he said "ok stop". problem w/ meds it's a trial and error and you have to provide adequate feeback, but if you encounter an authoritarian asshole it can be problematic. i'm a picky customer tho. anyway i don't take anything these days.

about the cigarette post-- last summer i had to finish a project to get paid right before a trip to new york for which i needed money and not only to travel but it was a business trip that required investment so i had this financial gun to my heand and i had to do-or-die, so i bought a pack of smokes & nicotined my way into a fat paycheck. i just left all the gory details out of the post.

and yeah i dont like wasting too much time. i waste some time here and it gives me pleasure, but i wanna get into some hardcore writing and feel this interneck gets on the way some times and i should waste time in more fruitful ways.

i used to go out w/ this chick that was an awesome novelist who shall remain anonymous and she rarely wrote emails-- she believed she had only limited "writing energy" and she could use it for the internet or for her novel so she wisely chose the latter.

so i just finished work and here i am squandering my awesome seed in the whorehouse.

i'll go flog myself.

ha ha no, i need dinner-- actually... lunch!

anyway congratulations on what seems to have been your very beneficial divorce. and whatever it is you're doing right.

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Originally Posted by Glice

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Originally Posted by atari 2600

SSRI bullshit...

actually i was talking primarily about Quetiapine (brand name: seroquel) which is an atypical anti-psychotic, and totally diffrent from selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors. i've never been on SSRI's. i have been on serotonin norepinephrine reuptake inhibitors - specifically Effexor. and i've been on norepinephrine dopamine reuptake inhibitors - specifically Wellbutrin.

...you are right though, that class of drugs - although not as detrimental as some of the atypical anti-psychotics (Zyprexa is the worst) - has been largely ineffective in my experience.

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Originally Posted by atari 2600

yeah, you just glossed right over it...

propa-what?
propa-who?

m1rror offers a convincing and empirical testimonial and you just ignore it because it doesn't further your agenda...nice.

you stupid paranoid muddlehead...

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Originally Posted by m1rr0r dash

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since then, i've gotten divorced, quit the meds, gone back to grad school, lost nearly all the weight (i'm down to 135 from 165), become a far more sociable person and eventually resumed smoking weed on a fairly regular basis. if that's not a good thing, i don't know what is.

"eventually resumed smoking weed on a fairly regular basis."

meaning he got better before resuming weed smoking on a regular basis.

muddlehead.

learn to read for comprehension.

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!

ha ha holy shit man. yeah some meds are hardcore and will fuck you up. you have to be a proactive patient not just take it lying down.

it's pretty hard to be proactive, let alone keep up with what's going on around you, when you're that zonked...

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!

meaning he got better before resuming weed smoking on a regular basis.

muddlehead.

learn to read for comprehension.

meaning i'm not a whole lot better off now than i was say, 10 or 12 years ago when smoking weed was an almost hourly habit that almost helped me fail out of college. (seeing as i've been working on what is ostensibly a 2 year degree since the fall of 2004.) but i'm in a far, far better place than i was around 5 years ago. (and seeing as it took me 6 years to get a bachelor's degree, and i took a whole year off after my first semster in grad, i figure i'm right on schedule.)

oh depakote-- what was that for... hm did i ever take that? no, that's for bipolars and i'm just a regular loon. i know someone who used to take that... who was it...?

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Originally Posted by m1rr0r dash

it's pretty hard to be proactive, let alone keep up with what's going on around you, when you're that zonked...

meaning i'm not a whole lot better off now than i was say, 10 or 12 years ago when smoking weed was an almost hourly habit that almost helped me fail out of college. but i'm in a far, far better place than i was around 5 years ago.

yeah. thank you. i think the muddlehead was projecting his rationalizations into your post by implying that you ''cured" yourself with weed, as he claims he's doing.

BUT ANYWAY.

reading this made me want to get blazed ha ha ha. but last time i did a few months ago my brain performed below par for a couple of weeks.

this, on the other hand...

clarifying & brilliant. lucid. introspective.

im going to mix some drinks, you guys have a good night

it's not. there are better drugs out there than weed but speed is not one of them.

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Originally Posted by m1rr0r dash

...my experience fits more with this than what rob's talking about...

and yes, i've continued to smoke after realizing that, yes it has affected my productivity, and yes i sometimes get irritable when i don't smoke for a while. this is true for both tobacco and weed. i used to get slammed sometimes when i first worked at offices for spending 10-15 minutes of every hour standing outside smoking cigs. that's fully 20-25% of my productivity down the drain right there. but i was far from the only one, and when you throw in making coffee and drinking it while standing outside chain smoking, there were people there who spent closer to 30-35% of every work day on the entirely unproductive task of feeding their dependencies.

as far as medicated life goes... i've also spent a couple of years walking around like a zombie on meds my psychaitrist was feeding me and my ex-wife was telling me made me more "mentally stable." i was entirely weed and alcohol free for around 3 years. i was taking fairly high doses of risperdal, seroquel and other atypical anti-psychotics that my doctor was telling me could help bi-polar disorder, which is what they said was causing my periodic problems with depression and that i just didn't recognize the periods of intense productivity and creativity coupled with often serious sleep-deprivation (so called hypomania) as problematic.

within the first 3 months of taking these medications, i had gained nearly 30 pounds. i began sleeping upwards of 12 hours a day, yet i was still falling asleep at my desk at work. on more than one occasion i had serious problems judging distances while trying to park my car, and not even parallel parking. for a short period i lost the ability to establish a mental image of the space around me. for example while driving on the highway i would glance in the rearview mirror and see a car in the next lane over a little ways behind me. when i looked back at the road in front of me, i could no longer see in my mind's eye how far behind me the other car was. i'd find myself checking my mirrors almost constantly and still only narrowly avoided a couple of accidents. i had trouble picking up an object from the desk in front of me with my eyes closed, even if i had just been looking at it. as an aspiring architect this was truly frightening.

even after finding a combination of meds that didn't have me falling asleep at my desk and stumbling on the stairs, i eventually gained around 40 pounds and my risk for diabetes had gone up fourfold. i was still sleeping 10 hours a night to feel as rested as i used to feel after 7 or 8. and i found that if i didn't take my medication, i would be literally unable to fall asleep for hours, doze off for an hour and half, then wake up and stare at the ceiling until the sun came up. i gradually stopped hanging out with my friends, lost all interest in my career, and slowly began hating myself.

since then, i've gotten divorced, quit the meds, gone back to grad school, lost nearly all the weight (i'm down to 135 from 165), become a far more sociable person and eventually resumed smoking weed on a fairly regular basis. if that's not a good thing, i don't know what is.

- i'm the angriest person in the world if i haven't had a cigarette. i can go with or without the weed but, obviously, if i smoke a j or whatever i'm going to be a lot easier to deal with.
i suppose i do have an addictive personality and it would make a lot of sense given the situation of most of my relatives however i don't really do anything on a regular basis except smoke cigarettes and have my coffee and drink. i've cut back a lot on smoking weed because i'm sick to death of the smell however i still don't mind doing it if there's any to be had.

Speed is the filthy drug that gets you nowhere. Fact.

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Originally Posted by Tokolosh

Speed is the filthy drug that gets you nowhere. Fact.

i think it would be more accurate to say

Speed is the filthy drug that gets you nowhere. Fast.

(....maybe that's what you were going for...)

these thread seems to be a bizaar combination of stoners, weed friendly people who dont smoke, anti weed people who dont do drugs, and worst of all, people who abuse other drug and attack people who smoke weed because they just wish oh-so-badly that their terrible habbits could be as casual as weed. Alcohol kills. It is involved in over half of the gun fatalities in this country, as well as a quarter of all fatal car accidents. Tobacco kills. Maybe not this extreme 500,000 plus a year, but it definitely kills people, and that is why I quit smoking finally, after ten years... but herb, shit herb just gives you munchies. All of the problems attributed to the use of cannabis in this society, are imposed upon by our society (ie, social problems) and are not a result or effect of the use itself.

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Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

sure. how's school going?

Weed Against Speed. Reminds me of Sebadoh.

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!

sure. how's school going?

fantastic actually. 3.7 gpa. was taking 5 and six classes at a time but now I dont have too, nearly finished. finances up to date. on perfect track to graduate in december, only seven classes to go, four taking presently....

after all,

long time now, Ethiopia is calling, where there's a will there's a way somehow, we have to reach no time for stalling..

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Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

awesome. keep up the good work.

weed, booze, and opiates will always be my favorites. when i used, i wanted to relax, so i never much liked stimulants, when i did, itd usually be blow. speed, even like low grade adderal speed, gives me paranoia till no end. i used to take it for school and i remember sitting in class literally thinking everyone was whispering shit about me. it was wayyyyy too much for me.

Speed can be a lot of fun. Obviously, the more you do, the less the fun. No rocket science, there.

I took some adderall this morning. It felt nice. Now my jaw hurts and I want to die.

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Originally Posted by HaydenAsche

I took some adderall this morning. It felt nice. Now my jaw hurts and I want to die.

granma sez

you had it coming

i'm going to take drugs for a legitimate medical purpose
oh joy.