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Savage Clone 03.14.2008 04:20 PM

Are we just talking about band that we don't like, because the definition of "seminal" doesn't even come close to some of these bands.
Full concurrence with T&B on that point.

Some of mine:
Black Flag
The Fall (not exactly "despised," but I never got bit by this particular bug, that's for sure)
Muddy Waters
Buddy Guy

Cantankerous 03.14.2008 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
I Fucking Hate David Bowie And I Want Him Dead.

alright, i'll be on the next flight to houston

Rob Instigator 03.14.2008 04:42 PM

I will be in disguise my Bowie-brainwashed young lady.
You shall not find me at the Sound Exchange, nor at the Soundwaves, nor at the Vinal Edge, nor at the Buffallo Wild Wings tonight watching my beloved Houston Rockets go for 21 wins in a row.

atsonicpark 03.14.2008 05:01 PM

Aw, can't believe someone said the Fall.

Top 10 best bands ever.

ZEROpumpkins 03.14.2008 05:10 PM

I dunno, guess I don't hate many bands. Just the kinda music that preppy 12-15 year old girls listen to like MCR and Fallout Boy.

Everyneurotic 03.14.2008 07:41 PM

ok, let's play, once again, "out-indie me".

and i'm not going to mention popular bands everyone loves and i should too, i'm going to name seminal bands.

-iggy pop solo.
-nick cave and the bad seeds (although i do enjoy the occasional song from them).
-the grateful dead
-all post-yardbirds and bluesbreaker bands involving eric clapton.
-the dead boys (i love "sonic reducer" though).

also, i think i only like like 5 songs from london calling and i think rid of me is probably pj harvey's worst album and it would have made an incredible ep.

batreleaser 03.14.2008 07:53 PM

i cant believe bowie, the fall, pavement, and black flag were mentioned. well maybe bowie, he annoys me sometimes, but i love some of his stuff too. but the fall is the most proflic and excellently consistent band ever, 35 years into their carrer (well, technically, his), and mark e smith is still writing great songs. pavement's catalog is near perfection too, and fucking black flag???? jesus christ, they arguably gave us hardcore punk rock!

ZEROpumpkins 03.14.2008 08:04 PM

I can believe The Fall. Mark E Smith can be a wanker sometimes.

Death & the Maiden 03.14.2008 08:08 PM

I don't really like Nirvana, though I don't hate them.

ZEROpumpkins 03.14.2008 08:09 PM

Mmm Nirvana were way overrated, but still good. I think Nevermind is a really average album, while In Utero kicked a lot of ass.

jetengine 03.14.2008 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by demonrail666
Seminal bands or not, I don't like the following at ALL:

1. AC/DC (God, does ANYONE here actually like them?)



"It's not the band I hate / it's their fans" (Sloan, 'Coax Me', from Twice Removed, 1994)

gmku 03.14.2008 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by batreleaser
this is purely my opinion, no offense intended, but im sure everyone has a few bands that are supposed to be good, but you just fuckin hate them

1. the cure
2. sioxie and the banshees
3. sleater kinney
4. the talking heads (except remain in light)
5. daft punk


Actually, I can't think of any I truly hate, or even dislike.

Sometimes I think I like too much music.

gmku 03.14.2008 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Everyneurotic
ok, let's play, once again, "out-indie me".

and i'm not going to mention popular bands everyone loves and i should too, i'm going to name seminal bands.

-iggy pop solo.
-nick cave and the bad seeds (although i do enjoy the occasional song from them).
-the grateful dead
-all post-yardbirds and bluesbreaker bands involving eric clapton.
-the dead boys (i love "sonic reducer" though).

also, i think i only like like 5 songs from london calling and i think rid of me is probably pj harvey's worst album and it would have made an incredible ep.


Weird. I hardly think of any of what you mentioned as in any way "seminal."

Cantankerous 03.14.2008 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
I will be in disguise my Bowie-brainwashed young lady.
You shall not find me at the Sound Exchange, nor at the Soundwaves, nor at the Vinal Edge, nor at the Buffallo Wild Wings tonight watching my beloved Houston Rockets go for 21 wins in a row.

I WILL FIND YOU AND KILL YOU

the dead boys: awesome, certainly not seminal.

gmku 03.14.2008 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
David Bowie & Elton John. end our misery, kill them both, and throw in Billy Joel while you're at it.


Elton John and Billy Joel seminal? We're using a pretty broad interpretation of that term, aren't we.

Cantankerous 03.14.2008 11:08 PM

i hate this fucking word now.

gmku 03.14.2008 11:11 PM

Yeah. Same here.

HaydenAsche 03.14.2008 11:12 PM

Me too. It's such a fucking lame word.

Cantankerous 03.14.2008 11:13 PM

it reminds me of "semen", which is not only one of the foulest substances known to man but also one of the most unpleasant words in the english language.

gmku 03.14.2008 11:14 PM

It's wrong. Overused. Incorrectly used. And icky.

Cantankerous 03.14.2008 11:14 PM

and sticky.

gmku 03.14.2008 11:17 PM

It comes from a dicky.

Cantankerous 03.14.2008 11:18 PM

you're oh so clever.
and wonderfully tricky.

HaydenAsche 03.14.2008 11:19 PM

Rhyming is so lame.

Lamer than the word seminal.

gmku 03.14.2008 11:21 PM

That doesn't rhyme at all. Get with the game.

Cantankerous 03.14.2008 11:21 PM

i'm sorry i'm lame, please don't place the blame
on me, you see
i was provoked, i was coaxed
into making these rhyming jokes

Cantankerous 03.14.2008 11:24 PM

oh dear, says me
how can this be!?

that last one doesn't quite rhyme
so now i think that it's time to become a mime

gmku 03.14.2008 11:24 PM

Nice... I've blown my wad, though... in a manner of speaking.
My brain's on the nod--I should be sleeping.

Cantankerous 03.14.2008 11:27 PM

i understand
you're an old man
in the morning you'll rise
and eat your bran
and then you'll revise
your retirement plan

Cantankerous 03.14.2008 11:28 PM

HO HO!
look at me go!

gmku 03.14.2008 11:36 PM

I once had a friend whose name was Fred.
We got drunk together and rode laughing on the bus.
I think I'm going to hit the hay, go to bed.
Did you know in England a bundle of hay is a truss?

Cantankerous 03.14.2008 11:39 PM

i'm still out-rhyming you, my friend
and it will be this way until the end

Everyneurotic 03.15.2008 01:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gmku
Weird. I hardly think of any of what you mentioned as in any way "seminal."


-iggy solo: not only he pushed performance to new extreme levels, he also wrote/co-wrote tons of songs with david bowie, his songs have been used for soundtracks and commercials, the idiot is cited as one of new wave's most influential albums and cited by millions of bands as an influence himself.

-the bad seeds: influenced goth bands since their first album, helped the resurgence of the murder ballad, helped popularize einstürzende neubauten for a new audience.

-the grateful dead: helped with the adoption of country into rock, popularized the jam band concept, long shows, improvisation, personified hippiedom for thousands, inspired phish and all those craptastic bands, spawned a guitar hero adored by generations, probably the first band fans would follow on tour, seminal to bootleg trading.

-a) cream: popularized the power trio format and long form improvisation, first band of rock musicians to be "virtuosos", one of the first bands to have a poet as a lyricist.
b) derek and the dominos and blind faith: some of the first bands to be called "supergroups".
c) clapton solo: first rock dinosaur to adopt reggae, one of the first solo guitarists to achieve stardom.

-the dead boys: arguably not seminal, if seen as just another garage band in a long sucession since the 60's; yet many punk bands still consider them the epitome of punk itself and influential to their attitude (as generic as it was). maybe this one is not clearly seminal but probably the most boring band out of that scene.

batreleaser 03.15.2008 11:03 AM

seminal is a synonym for influential, its not a weird word at all, but yes it does sound like semen, hehehe

batreleaser 03.15.2008 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Everyneurotic
-iggy solo: not only he pushed performance to new extreme levels, he also wrote/co-wrote tons of songs with david bowie, his songs have been used for soundtracks and commercials, the idiot is cited as one of new wave's most influential albums and cited by millions of bands as an influence himself.

-the bad seeds: influenced goth bands since their first album, helped the resurgence of the murder ballad, helped popularize einstürzende neubauten for a new audience.

-the grateful dead: helped with the adoption of country into rock, popularized the jam band concept, long shows, improvisation, personified hippiedom for thousands, inspired phish and all those craptastic bands, spawned a guitar hero adored by generations, probably the first band fans would follow on tour, seminal to bootleg trading.

-a) cream: popularized the power trio format and long form improvisation, first band of rock musicians to be "virtuosos", one of the first bands to have a poet as a lyricist.
b) derek and the dominos and blind faith: some of the first bands to be called "supergroups".
c) clapton solo: first rock dinosaur to adopt reggae, one of the first solo guitarists to achieve stardom.

-the dead boys: arguably not seminal, if seen as just another garage band in a long sucession since the 60's; yet many punk bands still consider them the epitome of punk itself and influential to their attitude (as generic as it was). maybe this one is not clearly seminal but probably the most boring band out of that scene.



the dead also probably are responsible for rave, in that their shows were at big outdoor fields where a buncha young folks (and later, pathetically old folks) get out of their heads on psychedelic drugs and dance to dumb music. i actually enjoy some of the deads improv live stuff though, and ive been to raves, im not pretentious enough to say i dont like eating a buncha ecstasty and dancing with dumb girls holding glow sticks, its pretty liberating. im a retard i know.

ZEROpumpkins 03.15.2008 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by batreleaser
seminal is a synonym for influential, its not a weird word at all, but yes it does sound like semen, hehehe

That's actually where the word comes from.

Toilet & Bowels 03.15.2008 11:10 PM

the jam
the clash
the smiths
david bowie
elvis costello

Everyneurotic 03.16.2008 11:00 AM

i was going to say elvis costello too, but he doesn't really figures as a very seminal figure, he's more like an interpreter of songs, like michael bolton, except he sings his own shitty songs.

Toilet & Bowels 03.16.2008 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Everyneurotic
i was going to say elvis costello too, but he doesn't really figures as a very seminal figure, he's more like an interpreter of songs, like michael bolton, except he sings his own shitty songs.


yeah, he's not really seminal but he annoys the fuck out of me

Glice 03.16.2008 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels
yeah, he's not really seminal but he annoys the fuck out of me


Thirded.


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