birds of fire is a good record.

I think you're under-playing their shitness. They really are that bad.

I sometimes check out the latest recommendations on noise-y rock, but that's mainly because I get periodic panic attacks about ending up enjoying Dido (who is, incidentally, 340.2% less shit than Weather Report). I listen to the noise-y rock, and I think 'well, it's ever-so-slightly less shit than Dido, so I don't own a Volvo/ German Shepherd yet'. But soon, oh yes...

Haha.

After watching the Hendrix doc on VH1 last night (I first saw it in the 70s), I have a real hankering for that reissue of the Monterey Pop Festival Hendrix LP I saw at the record store a while back. What an amazing performance.

So it's OK to ape folk music forms that sound "exotic" to you, but not folk forms that are familiar to your geological and/or ethnic roots?
Or perhaps you're simply a little know-it-all without the perspective to back up your endless streams of self-satisfied rhetoric.

^^^Ooh, you tease sarram.

As any fule kno, the best album so far this Jahr be Portishead's "3".

so, no surprise to anyone, i've changed my vote.

secret chiefs 3 - xaphan: book of angels 9

album of the year.

seriously, go pick this up, it's amazing.

so, let me get this straight, all exotic/foreign music is folk music? no, its not, so whatever.

i just think it comes down to the fact that i like bands who have some exotic influences, like rick bishop, amps for christ, secret chiefs 3, etc.., and i dont like any of the bands who fall into the folk revival or whatever the fuck you wanna call it scene, devandra, lavender diamond, all that shit, it bores me.

and those posts have nothing to do with one another.

i hate how everything posted on this board gets dissected, the things i say are my opinion, what sounds nice to me and what sounds bad/boring/shitty.

While I appreciate your last sentence, I'd like to point out that 'folk' music is by no means a synonym for 'boring, ugly fuckers with acoustic guitars singing shitly'. I have a faint theory that involves hip-hop and Hardcore (Happy and otherwise) being sorts of folk musics; I don't consider Dylan to be folk (on account of oft-mentioned shitness).

ok well, im applying the term to, as you put it so succinctly, "boring, ugly fuckers with acoustic guitars singing shitily" type folk.

but oddly, nick drake is one of my favorite artists, but i duno if hes folk per se, singer songwriter, ditto leanord cohen.

death metal & black metal too

i would definatly put rick bishop in the folk revival category. not in a bad way, because he is one of my favorites, but one cant deny the obvious, and i like most of the new folk people that i hear (bt the cool ones, not people like sujan stevens)

You were talking about the traditional music of other countries. "Folk" music is the music traditionally made by the "everyday/common" people living in a certain geographical area in a certain time, by one of its most commonly understood definitions. Your posts had everything to do with one another in that context. Someone from India deciding to do a version of "Barbara Allen" would be doing the same thing you are talking about. I consider Amps For Christ to be a folk group too, and a great one.
There are any number of great modern folk groups that would be doing what they do regardless of prevailing trends, and you obviously know who some of them are (Rick Bishop, Stone Breath, AfC, and a ton more). Stone Breath and its offshoots have been doing "folk music" since way before all this, and will be doing it long after this current wave of interest has waned.
I was just saying your definition was extremely narrow and your perspective came off as super-myopic, whether intentionally or not.

I'll add Grime, but I wouldn't add Dubstep.

amateur musicologists are cunts.

gotcha. well, i dont know a whole lot about folk, so, i suppose my view could be narrow.

amps for christ i could never consider solely a folk band, i mean, theres so many different sounds going on in that band, some extreme, some exotic, some folk. whatever, all i meant to say was i dont like the "new weird america" scene as tagged by wire in the early 90's, thats it.

I think DJ Spooky has referred to himself as folk music before. I wouldn't argue this in the slightest by modern application of the term.

I think these newer groups like Amps For Christ are still folk groups, they are just working in modern times with modern stuff, so obviously the modern influences are there. I do agree somewhat with what you were saying in the sense that I'm not really interested in super-preservationist, "museum piece" folk music that sounds identical for all time. It's meant to be a living form, so our modern warping of these forms is a pretty logical progression in the modern era.

Ooh. Get her.

God, am I incoherent today.
Even the edit function didn't help much.

you'll have to define me first.

modern, modern, modern, modern, modern, modern

so what youre trying to tell me is, modern?

im just fuckin around, i kinda get wat youre saying

Yep.

What folk music means can be trickier to pin down in the United States as it's such a big place and its history is made of immigration from a big lump of the different populations of the planet. A good start to understand what folk music meant and still means in America is Harry Smith's anthologies as they, in part, embrace different strains of music that entered it with mass-immigration. It's still not complete but Smith has few equals in his diligent study of indigenous music.

It's much easier to define folk music in any European countries or Asia, India, China etc as they either haven't got a history of huge fluxes of migrants flocking in or they have it on a minuscule scale compared to the States.

Then you have the modern approach, still something to be explored in a more detailed way.




''Hello, is it me you're looking for?''

shit another one to add to my list to hear!

i actually just bought the new secret chiefs 3 a half a go, amazing

just listened to the secret cheifs 3 album.. yeah its good... not great or amazing but real good!

alan lomax FTW

and everyneurotic-i'll only post again in two when i have my musicology degree, then it wont be amatuer:-)
and that harry smith collection is beyond good

hahahaha