sacred cow? who are you talking with that makes him a sacred cow?

If you watch the video of the Pistols last show in San Francisco right before they broke up, it is remarkably clear that Sid is actually playing the bass pretty damn well. Kind of ironic that he got it right only at the last possible moment, but it does indicate that some of the bad rap he gets (musically, not as far as being a useless fuck of a human being) isn't really fair. Having watched that I had to reasses my own belief that Sid was a no talent hack and take into consideration that for most of the time he was in the Pistols he was just not practiced, and that at the end of the American tour he was actually getting his parts down pretty well.

Fat people with no talent = no good.

Fat people with talent = good.


Children are advised not to read this post due to the high amount of offensiveness on it.

The lady in The Gossip or her bandmates must have a sense of humour for writing a song called ''Standing In The Way Of Control''.

lets all point and laugh at the fat fucker in the band shall we.................

this thread is wrong for many reasons and on many levels.....

Agreed, but anybody who pointed and laughed at Poison Idea, at least if they could see, really didn't have a desire to live too long...

it took him that long to learn the damn ridiculously EASY bass parts to sex pistols songs.

is it trendy to make fun of the pistols/vicious now? it's over. shut up.

Big Mama Thornton could kick the asses of all those hound dogs.


Meatloaf Aday keeps the doctor away:


Jim Morrison still rocked when he was fat:


what about the ultimate Fatty rocker?

Buster Bloodvessel

I have been making fun of that over-rated pissant fuck, that loser who RUINED the intelligent side of punk and made generation after generation worship his goddaMNED STUPIDITY AND NIHILISTIC IDIOCY since before you were born cantanks.

yawnnnnnnn.

deal with it

only boring people get bored ya know.

I don't see how Sid Vicious killed off the 'intelligent' side of Punk. It's hardly as though he stood in the way of bands like Joy Division or The Fall.

and have you ever actually met anyone who genuinely idolises Sid Vicious in terms of his nihilistic behaviour? He's a face on T Shirts, a cool haircut. People got into the look, but I can honestly say that I've never met a single junky who got where they did because of Sid Vicious.

The only harm he ultimately ever caused was to himself.

Well, people in rock bands do take drugs and often have been known to take other wrecked ''legends'' as role models. Johnny Rotten himself pointed out that Sid Vicious was a fashion victim with a Lou Reed fixation, so it's not far-fetched to conclude that he contributed (with very little of substance on offer, to tell the truth) to the smack rocker myth.

Yes I have, tons of sad sad punks in the 80's imitated him, and lived their "punk" lifestyle emulating him. YES they did.

you mean besides killing Nancy, then killing himself causing untold trauma to every member of his family and what friends he did have?

You got me there. Can't deny it.

yeah but americans are stupid

Seriously though, I honestly didn't think Sid Vicious was taken seriously by anyone. In Britain I'd definitely say that was the case but if you're saying people in the US took him seriously, well then I dunno.

I am not saying anyone took him seriously. I am saying that a SHIT-TON of teens EMULATED him, instead of emulating intelligent, worthwhile punks, because his bullshit fucking pathetic life and death were glamorized to no end as the "true" vision of punk rock.

that is undeniable man.

Aw, this argument would require a table, cigarettes and large amounts of alcohol to bash out properly. Basically I think you're right in essence but I also think that an interest in Sid Vicious (as I have) doesn't have to begin and end with his being a junky. He certainly wasn't a great musician (or a great person for that matter) but having seen footage of him at his best, he really did have one of the most amazing stage presences I've seen.

So it's not that we necessarily disagree, it's that we may be arguing from crossed purposes.

Sid Vicious is my God.

I HEAR YOU!

The Sex Pistols might not do much for me musically or else, yet their stage/tv presence and take on fashion is unrivalled.

I mean, purely from a fashion point of view they didn't even try that hard, they weren't exactly pretty looking guys, and also they had extreme bad hygiene that was often visible on band pictures. Still they had that little something that is soooo lacking in the way too many bands looked even back then.

Exactly!

I rarely find myself listening to a Sex Pistols record but find their whole story one of Rock music's greatest. There's a genuine sleaziness about them that really does border on the exotic. At heart I always think they were more Divine, than they were the Dead Kennedy's. In the best possible sense.

yeah, they had malcolm maclaren dressing them in gay bondage gear.

give praise where it is due

praising the members of the pistols for their "look" is like praising Rachel ray for the food she eats on her stupid show.

Clothes and stage presence are two different things Rob. You could dress anyone like the Sex Pistols and still that something would go awol.

ahhhh, but if you dressed any other 4 lowlife punks like the sex pistols I am certain you would get a very interesting stage presence, especially since 90% of the Pistiols vitriol and vibe came from Lydon.

You would not.

Funny that you mention Divine on this thread, 'cause he would have looked the shit if he played in a band.

They look the sex. Their songs are catchy. Idiots ape them (but idiots follow anything, so that's hardly a point).

Visual presence is not a bad thing.

Sorry for re-iterating.

is that amy crackhouse in yr avatar porks?

No it's not Amy Speedface, it's ElvisKate, who would also look great in a band. Boys this is how make up is applied to your faces. Like diarrhea.

Oh I'm so in the mood to start a Big Audio Dynamite thread.

Interesting point, but, for argument's sake, I'd say that Steve Jones was an integral part of the look/vibe of the Pistols, at least in their earlier days. It was, after all, the virulently heterosexual Jones who would be the most willing to wear the "naked gay cowboys" T-shirt. Very meh now, but certainly not in the climate of the mid-1970's in the UK. To put it into a US context, which band in 1976 in the States would have done that on a non-"art" basis? Richard Hell's the only one I can think of....any more suggestions?

Truer words were never spoken.

I was thinking exactly about Steve Jones, my favourite Pistol, when I posted earlier. I mean, the man was the least gay-looking dude in the world ever, he'd wrap his head in handkerchiefs and wear truck driver-like vests, and still he looked totally great. The cherry on the cake is also the fact that with that little effort he shagged more girls than a successful porn star.

he was also the one decent musician!

I think that you're talking about Glen Matlock.

Here we go again: "You must buy up more Gibson Les Pauls and Fender Twins before sharing Steve Jones riff tips with the man like Rob again".

And:

"You must give more Steve Jones shagging stories around before buying Sarram a drink at the King's Arms again".