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Pookie 08.08.2008 08:44 AM

Jesus and Mary Chain.

I saw them in 1986 and they lived up to the hype.

Saw them again in 1998 (I think) and they were dull.

Rob Instigator 08.08.2008 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by MellySingsDoom
I'm almost loathe to say this, but I'd add Godlflesh to the mix - the first 3 albums are amazing (esp. "Streetcleaner"), but from then on, each new release was a case of diminishing returns.


you fucking said it mells

atsonicpark 08.08.2008 09:35 AM

I pretty much like all Godflesh to an extent.

But yeah the earlier releases were a long more brutal.

SuperCreep 08.08.2008 10:00 AM

I still need to get more Godflesh. I only have Streetcleaner and it kicks my ass in more than any other album I own.

MellySingsDoom 08.08.2008 10:03 AM

Super Creep - their s/t 1st LP and "Pure" are keepers. Also of note is the Fall Of Because CD, "Life Is Easy" (Justin, Benny and Paul Neville's pre-Godflesh band, who really do sound like a cross between Whitehouse and Swans).

batreleaser 08.08.2008 10:04 AM

godflesh-hymns is amazing and thats thier last record. in fact, for different reasons streetcleaner and hymns are my favorite godflesh releases. broadrick is genius, i have never disliked anything hes been involved with. i like/love 'scum', godflesh, final, head of david, techno animal, god, ice, and the mighty jesu have all made fantastic music.

MellySingsDoom 08.08.2008 10:08 AM

I loves me Jesu - I don't have absolutely everything by them, but what I've heard is bliss city. Demonrail and I are MASSIVE fans of Head Of David up until "Dustbowl" (whence they turned into an awful comedy metal act) - I've got a live version of "I Am Roadkill" at home which kills. I used to see God a lot in London back in the day, both as a harsh noise-rock outfit, and as the "industrial-jazz" beast they later turned into.

Savage Clone 08.08.2008 10:09 AM

Echo and the Bunnymen
Verve
Flaming Lips
Ween
Jade Warrior
Metallica

Amon Duul II - good god, did they get bad after making some of the greatest music ever.

batreleaser 08.08.2008 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Pookie
Guns n Roses were good?! I must have missed that five minutes.


how can you not acknowledge the fact that 'appetite...' was one of the best rock n roll albums of all time. they were all amazing musicians, good songwriters, and wild as fuck junkies and alcoholics. they were everything great about rock n roll ever rolled into one band, the rolling stones of the 80s; amazing chops, the godlike lead guitarist (keith richards) in slash, the maniacal hip swiveling reckless frontman (mick) in axl, the mysterious rhythm guitarist (brian jones) in izzy, duff was thier bridge to punk rock and brought his hardcore esque bass to the table giving them a sense of dangerousness not seen in any of the lame ass hair bands of the time, and shit, every song on appetite is great. but of course, like the stones they eventually would become a parody of themselves. but i dont understand how people can not admit that they were a great band. whether or not you like them is fine, but you cant say they werent rockin as hell. no matter how wierd my taste in music has gotten, i still get chills from the opening riff to 'welcome to the jungle'.

batreleaser 08.08.2008 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by MellySingsDoom
I loves me Jesu - I don't have absolutely everything by them, but what I've heard is bliss city. Demonrail and I are MASSIVE fans of Head Of David up until "Dustbowl" (whence they turned into an awful comedy metal act) - I've got a live version of "I Am Roadkill" at home which kills. I used to see God a lot in London back in the day, both as a harsh noise-rock outfit, and as the "industrial-jazz" beast they later turned into.


god is fucking great. im a huge fan of kevin martin too. the guys done everything from extreme free jazz punk (he was a member of 16-17 for a short while, god) industrial hip hop (techno animal, ice), and his new project the bug, which is a miz of the industrial hip hop of which hes famous for, and dancehall, the shit is extreme music that you can dance to! awesome stuff. the new the bug record 'london zoo' is one of my favorites of the year. i suggest if anyone is into any of the aforementioned bands they check it out.

atsonicpark 08.08.2008 10:16 AM

Appetite for Destruction is easily one of the best albums ever made. Fuck. It's amazing.

Almost everything they did was great.

Savage Clone 08.08.2008 10:17 AM

Appetite for Destruction is a pile of overproduced LA rock crap. You lose IQ points every time you listen, and not in a good way like with Blue Cheer or something. I remember when that album came out and how much it represented everything I loathed about music at that time. There was never anything remotely "cool" about that band or their music.

Memories are short.

Pookie 08.08.2008 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Savage Clone
Appetite for Destruction is a pile of overproduced LA rock crap. You lose IQ points every time you listen, and not in a good way like with Blue Cheer or something. I remember when that album came out and how much it represented everything I loathed about music at that time. There was never anything remotely "cool" about that band or their music.

Memories are short.

I was about to reply, but this says at all.

atsonicpark 08.08.2008 10:19 AM

"Use Your Illusion I and II" were a bit too ridiculous and long but some of the epic songs like Estranged were amazing. They were best at rocking though.

"Spaghetti Incident" was a bunch of decent covers of mostly awesome punk songs.

"Lies" was great.

"Appetite"... Rocket Queen and It's So Easy are so great.

Really, G'N'R were amazing songwriters. The same can't be said for most bands on here that people like (Battles, Liars, etc).

atsonicpark 08.08.2008 10:20 AM

Appetite has amazing riffs, solid playing, great solos (a true rarity), catchy choruses, structurally complex songs. Just brilliant.

fugazifan 08.08.2008 10:20 AM

serge gainsbourg
he was BRILLIANT for the 60s and the beggining of the 70s. then he started making reggea hip hop

ScreamingSchool 08.08.2008 10:24 AM

Frickin' Wire. They got baaaad.

atsonicpark 08.08.2008 10:42 AM

Very true. They have done nothing but shit except for Read and Burn 1 and 2 (and Send) for many many years.

PAULYBEE2656 08.08.2008 11:07 AM

mercury rev
flaming lips
interpol
arguably wire

jetengine 08.08.2008 01:09 PM

Guns N Roses pretended (to this day!) that they were putting an end to the the whole 'hair metal'/LA Glam/power ballad phenomenon. The truth of the matter is that 90% of listeners at the time saw them as just an extension of that whole scene. Even Jane's Addiction, who were sometimes compared to G 'N' R in the very beginning, sounded a million light years from them.

acousticrock87 08.08.2008 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Pookie
Jesus and Mary Chain.

I saw them in 1986 and they lived up to the hype.

Saw them again in 1998 (I think) and they were dull.

Yes. I never saw them live, but recording-wise they got pretty boring after Honey's Dead.

batreleaser 08.08.2008 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by atsonicpark
"Use Your Illusion I and II" were a bit too ridiculous and long but some of the epic songs like Estranged were amazing. They were best at rocking though.

"Spaghetti Incident" was a bunch of decent covers of mostly awesome punk songs.

"Lies" was great.

"Appetite"... Rocket Queen and It's So Easy are so great.

Really, G'N'R were amazing songwriters. The same can't be said for most bands on here that people like (Battles, Liars, etc).


THANK YOU

SYRFox 08.08.2008 07:08 PM

I'm pretty surprised that no one has mentionned:

PIXIES

Okay maybe that does not count as they sucked from the moment they were reunited but still...

Http://youtube.com/watch?v=_cPEPj0ji9s
http://youtube.com/watch?v=jW1a3cSaqbU

Come on...

SYRFox 08.08.2008 07:08 PM

Also someone mentionned Primal Scream - I actually dislike everything they've done except XTRMNTR that I consider as a masterpiece, so I guess I disagree with this statement :D

atsonicpark 08.08.2008 07:31 PM

Eh? So, we're judging the quality of live shows in the face of not having any new material (in reference to Pixies)? Because, from album to album, Pixies were a band that got better on every release (I'm not a fan of Bossanova but musically it's about a million times more accomplished than Surfer Rosa, for example).

I'm not even a big Pixies fan... I'm just saying, they never got bad.

SYRFox 08.08.2008 07:36 PM

Yes that's why I said maybe it did not count. But still, as they did nothing new after Trompe Le Monde, I think we can judge on their live shows - and gosh look at that, now they look like a stupid old ass Pixies tribute band...

Still, I don't really think they got better with every release... Doolittle is my personal fave and Bossanova the one I like the least. Trompe Le Monde is fantastic though. I don't know

atsonicpark 08.08.2008 07:38 PM

I'm not talking about your personal favorites, I'm saying they actually got better, musically and songwriting-wise, on every release. I mean, DRAMATICALLY better from release to release. Though, obviously, they lost some of their energy which is what most people loved about their music.

Trompe le Monde, from every angle, is probably their best though.

But yeah, did anyone say Breeders yet?

That band went from passable to the worst band I've ever heard.

SuperCreep 08.08.2008 08:45 PM

I love Pod, but everything after that is equally meh.

batreleaser 08.09.2008 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by SuperCreep
I love Pod, but everything after that is equally meh.


same. but i think everything after that is below the meh level

Derek 08.09.2008 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by atsonicpark
I'm not talking about your personal favorites, I'm saying they actually got better, musically and songwriting-wise, on every release. I mean, DRAMATICALLY better from release to release. Though, obviously, they lost some of their energy which is what most people loved about their music.

Trompe le Monde, from every angle, is probably their best though.

I have the complete opposite opinion from you. Surfer Rosa is definitely my favourite Pixies release and the one I spin most often. I always thought Doolittle was okay, Bossanova was okay and that Trompe le Monde was awful.

I do see your approach though, they did become much more tighter as a band, but those later albums lacked an enthusiastic spark that Surfer Rosa was brimming of. I personally think even though they got tighter, they seemed to have got bored (also the fact that the band were always arguing in those days, adding fire to how they just couldn't be bothered anymore).

Though whatever tightness they had in the songwriting department went away fast, Frank's solo albums are AWFUL.

krastian 08.09.2008 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by atsonicpark
"....but some of the epic songs like Estranged were amazing.

Estranged is easily my favorite GNR song ever.

al shabbray 08.09.2008 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Diesel
u2 still good though
interpol


what was the name of the first song on the first interpol record?
Ive got it laying around somewhere...it was the reason I bought the whole record, this song is so dope!
need to listen to it right now, but yes they suck now

GrungeMonkey 08.09.2008 05:43 PM

Beck for sure... Information was so dull, and hes found a new level of dullness on Modern Guilt. Tosser. What happened to the vibrant world of odelay?

Trasher02 08.09.2008 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by HECKLER SPRAY
dEUS, since "Pocket Revolution"(next to last album).

"Vantage Point" is better than "Pocket Revolution" in my humble opinion. It's alot more coherent.

atsonicpark 08.09.2008 10:34 PM

ESTRANGED was brilliant.

demonrail666 08.10.2008 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by jetengine
Guns N Roses pretended (to this day!) that they were putting an end to the the whole 'hair metal'/LA Glam/power ballad phenomenon. The truth of the matter is that 90% of listeners at the time saw them as just an extension of that whole scene. Even Jane's Addiction, who were sometimes compared to G 'N' R in the very beginning, sounded a million light years from them.


I always find that odd when the band members go on about this. I don't mind GnR, but even I'd say they're one of THE most self-deluded bands.

ZEROpumpkins 08.10.2008 04:01 AM

Yeah Axl Rose is a total douche.

demonrail666 08.10.2008 04:18 AM

Yeah, but they were all pretty cretinous at the end of the day. Savage Clone is probably right in saying that they represent all that is bad, but at the same time I do have a real soft spot them. Although, to be honest that's probably more for the whole GnR concept, and phenomenon, than for their actual music.

It's similar in that way to my fascination with the Sex Pistols. Another band whose 'story' is far more interesting than their music.

mil_pl 08.10.2008 04:40 AM

interpol
beastie boys (to the 5 Boroughs, the mix-up)
pearl jam (riot act, pearl jam)
radiohead a little bit
the white stripes

Pookie 08.10.2008 05:51 AM

Liz Phair never did anything worthwhile after her excellent debut album.


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