Cheers Derek!

i'll listen to it when i wake up
i really really really like the kills

no one makes rock records anymore though

^^^Not in the classic sense, no - Oasis and The Verve (and Paul Cunting Weller) can go eat shit.

I'm not sure what you mean by that. Who would you say were one of the last bands making 'rock'?

demonrail - Afternoon sir!

I think what Cantanky is getting at is rock in the Stones/Led Zep/maybe even Sex Pistols sense...

Hello there Mr Singsdoom.

Yeah, it'd be pretty impossible for a band to come on in that kind of way without being forced to play the irony card pretty heavily. The last one I can think of was probably Guns n Roses. God is it really 21 years ago since Appetite for Destruction came out? I feel old!

For you, demon (and Lady C too):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oobDQ0vdm8M

Ah thanks, talk about a band that had it and then lost it.

i think rock really kind of died out with the eighties when alternative music came in. i very much consider punk to be rock as well, a lot of it was just aggro chuck berry riffs! i mean when stuff like the cure and PIL and all that came around.

guns n roses are (were) a rock band. in their day.

but i mean like, just straight rock, like the stones or zeppelin and them. minimal amounts of experimentation (not to say that there wasn't some with those bands), bunch of dudes just rocking out.

When I look at a band like Oasis, the only words that come to mind are "Why are you treating rock like a fucking museum piece, you wankers?"....

I feel there's a definite sense of rock (as we know it in the classical sense) in the UK as being in stasis - too many goddamn bands quoting too much from the past without an actual idea of their own. Also: horrible parody bands like The Darkness (ugh!) don't exactly breathe any life into the old corpse. Also, in the UK, the whole "Acid House" explosion is still being felt now, 20 years later - I don't rock will ever have the status it once did here, or as it still seems to do in the USA...

the darkness hahaha

the only bands that have come about within the last ten years or so that i really do like are the kills and the white stripes. probably something else i can't think of at the moment. but yeah.


there are no rock bands here either melly. not really. the shit you hear on the radio is not rock, it's corporate hogwash.

I don't think it's possible to serve up rock 'straight' anymore. Too many things have happened between its heyday in the 70s and now. The only bands, in Britain at least, who seem to be able to get away with it these days are Motorhead and Iron Maiden (but they're treated more like institutions now, than they are bands.)

I find the spirit of "classic" rock very much alive and well in the Metal world. I could show you acres of Metallly goodness here at Casa Melly, but nowt in the way of good, modern rock.

QotSA's Songs for the Deaf was pretty much the last example of a pure Rock album that I can think of. But even there you get the sense that their tongues were resting quite firmly against their cheeks.

yeah but they've been around for so many years. no one new is doing anything exciting in that vein.

C - it's interesting that the 2 bands you mention are both male+female duos, going against the tired, sexist cliche that only men can "rock". Also interesting that they both use the blues as reference points without merely doing blues facsimilies. And both are signed (at least in the UK) to indepedent labels - proof indeed that one need not lie down with the corporate devil...

yeah...
yeah.

yeahyeahyeahs maybe?
in their own kind of way of course. but I think they are rockin like hell

the yeah yeah yeahs are okay. well not their most recent album, that was utter shit. but their first EP is dynamite.

I think master and fever to tell are pipe bombs when it comes to boom-stuff ?!!
Love that sound. and yes their second album got som pretty melodies, but thats it. before that it was great melodies combined with pure energy, even as a live band they are not that energetic anymore (saw them 4 times, and the first times in a 100 people club)

You just can't get away with that whole RnR excess thing these days. It doesn't suit the times. Whether we like it or not, todays cultural climate is far more compatible with a band like Radiohead than it is Radio Birdman.

I'm sure, as attitudes change, a band like GnR will re-emerge but, were they to try and break through today, they'd be laughed out of existence. Can you imagine a band getting anywhere putting out videos like ZZ Top were in the 80s? Well, maybe in some backwater, but they wouldn't be taken seriously anywhere else.

fucking zz top.
no i can't imagine that but that's not what i'm talking about.

DEVIANTS!

Oh, and the Alchemysts.

^^Cantakerous^^ Sure, but even something like Motley Crue. A band like that relied on a certain kind of innocence that is now gone. AIDS has killed that - almost literally. The shag-happy days of the 70s and 80s are a thing of the past. It's all safe sex and worthy causes these days. Rock's sleaze-meisters of the past are all now either dead, in rehab or presenting reality TV shows.

Are we forgetting that GNR and the Crue were godawful bands that were every inch "part of the problem" with music in the 1980s?

are you saying you can't rock unless you live the cliched rock star lifestyle? bollocks.

Of course you can. I was referring to a specific aspect of RnR, which was very much a part of the three bands you mentioned: The Stones, Led Zep and the Pistols.

i just used melly's examples

i mean. it would be great if we could bring back those days but i don't see it happening. i would just like to see a decent rock band, or more of them.

Well, if demonrail waves his axe around as well as he did at Casa Melly last Sunday, then we could have a new Johnny Ramone on our hands :)

let's just put it this way.

angus young is my hero since i was 11 years old.

Oh yeah, for female geetarists, Liz Buckingham (13/Sourvein/Electric Wizard) is absolutely fucking amazing:



Also: Laura Pleasants (Kylesa):

Absolutely. A genuine guitar hero for the 21st century. Scarily good.

I'm totally conflicted on this. Regarding Motley Crue, absolutely. A dreadful band of absolutely no interest or merit whatsoever. I do however have a real love for GnR's Appetite album which I just think of as a stunning collection of songs. But no, I can't really defend GnR as a whole either. I especially think it's funny how they perceive of themselves as having put the boot in on all those hair metal bands, when in fact they were merely the most popular example of the genre.

I was discusing this with Rob Instigator in another thread. I really think it's different in the UK, insofar as however big GnR were here, they were never quite as massive a force in Britain as they were in the US. We can therefore enjoy them without having to deal with the crappy cult that seemingly followed them in the their home country. I'm certainly sure that had I been living in America in the 80s, I'd hate them as much as anyone else.

guns and roses are appalling!

best female guitarist/one of the greatest guitarists of all time:

BORIS!!!!

Great choice!

Savage has said this at least twice lately and I'm still unable to rep him or T&B. I think somebody has turned off my rep facility.

I think we should be reminded of GNR's awfulness on a daily basis.

For Pookie :p:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqTuN-35580

Reminded in words, not sounds:p .