there's nothing wrong with being vegan.

this sort of talk furstrates me
its pretty clear a lot of you hear that are whinging about this are a "hipster" of some sort

so please Shhh

nothing against veganism at all. i'm just adding that it's becoming a hipster thing to do. just one more "creative" personality facet added only as a trend.

he he
this makes me wanna quote S.M

This is true.

People who spend their time complaining about hipsters are ALWAYS one kind of hipster or another. Nobody else particularly gives a fuck. What's so wrong with being hip anyways?

i don't care, so they don't annoy me.

just as long as you stay genuine about what you do, wear and believe in, i don't see the problem.

people should not get annoyed by each other so quickly: take a deep breath and look the other way.

There kind of is actually

i don't get vegans. I understand trying to help the environment and what-not, and trying to help fight animal cruelty. but i just dont get vegans

let the animals do their thing, do not interfere.
if that's the idea, i'll respect that highly.
but what about pets then?
to what purpose is that
i don't get it either

i totally respect vegetarians who don't want to eat food with a face, but veganism is just unhealthy sorry

i went vegan about two months ago and the last time i felt this good and healthy was 5 years ago. when i was vegan.

just like any other diet you're on, if you eat healthy and the right way then there's nothing wrong with whatever diet you're on. don't forget to exercise either.

like i said, there's nothing wrong with being vegan. just like there's nothing wrong with eating meat. it's one's own choice.

indeed. i'll never be a vegan, first of all because i barely care enough about food to be a good vegetarian. and second because i don't see why i shouldn't eat eggs or milk, i try to avoid everything animals have to suffer for (meat and leather), thats enough for me.

Egg laying hens are kept in cages the size of a piece of paper in width and height. Beforehand, the beaks of the hens are cut off to prevent pecking and when the hen is removed to be slaughtered for pet food after 72 weeks in the care workers need to cut off their talons which had overgrown around the wiring of the cage.

I'm no vegan, nor vegetarian but if you are going to compare animal suffering then you should consider the details. Live-stock factory farming is largely unethical for the same concerns of overcrowding, sanitation, confinement, and general treatment.

Buy free-range?

Can we just reflect on how "eat healthy and the right way and there's nothing wrong with the diet you're on" makes absolutely no sense? "Eat healthy" is exactly what the diet intends. Diet entails the frequency and manner of consumption as much as what is consumed.

And this dietary relativism only serves to prevent argument. One is healthier than the other, one is more ethical than the other.

And what about all the other food stuffs one buys which involve eggs to make? Care for a slice of cake?

Personal ethical lifestyle choices are for hippies. If live-stock factory family practices are unethical, then I will seek to make them illegal.

I didn't say I make ethical lifestyle choices. I was just sayin'.

And I was just saying.

i tend to avoid those. the eggs i buy are from hens who have space to walk around freely. most other products i buy are biological, and i do think about where my food comes from. but since society makes it hard to always find an animal-friendly alternative, i sometimes have to stick with what's available.

besides, i live in a family of eight and i'm the only vegetarian. me going vegan or being extremely picky about the origins of my food would mean a whole lot of extra trouble and worries here.

Alternatives are for people who have given up trying to change the world.

i mean that i can't just say 'sorry, i don't want to eat any of the food you make hereanymore, and i won't go out to eat with you on your birthdays because you can't guarantee me that all the food is animal friendly.'

i can try to 'change the world'in my own way, in different ways too. it's been ages since i've been in a car, most of my clothes are recycled in some way, same for my furniture, stuff etc. plus i'm trying to be nice to others and make people's day a good one.

I'm the kind of guy who would rather eat a burger and then turn to the guy next to me and tell him we're going to hell.

maybe it's because i didn't become a vegetarian out of ethical issues, those came later: the taste and smell of meat just disgusts me, i never wanted to eat it.

True but that doesn't mean eggs are bad for you. Also there's been alot of cracking down on that sort of thing in the past 10 years, it's not always done that way and you can always buy free range eggs. Not eating eggs isn't going to fix that problem at all

I know, which is why I advocate legislation over attempting to live organically or whatever. Here in California, I was glad to see Proposition 2 passed.

i just didn't want to argue.

so what is this thread about now?

Holy shit EyeballGrowth I can't believe you exposed us to that shit without some kind of warning. Some of us are in no condition to deal with such horror.

You don't have to argue, just act. It is our principles which make us who we are, while they shouldn't rule us, we shouldn't abandon them. Righteous indignation is valuable.