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Rob Instigator 01.21.2009 09:01 PM

we're all nerds, and we make fun of other nerds. kinda depressing huh?

afterthefact 01.22.2009 08:42 AM

From today's Married To The Sea:

 

SonicBebs 01.22.2009 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nefeli
another thing that irritates me and its off topic, is the usage of The wife etc, instead of my wife. it isnt used only from the english or americans, so im very off topic.
normally i should prefer the "the" over the "my", since "my" shows ownership and ownership of a person isnt my thing, but i dont. ok, i dont like "my wife" either, but the "the wife" feels to me formal in a puritan, old fashion, completely of a person who has swallowed a stick- way.

edit. "my girlfriend" isnt bother me. i guess its the ownership ^2, in the case of my wife, since wife alone indicates "ownership".
and yo to me, if i managed to get accross to you what i mean by all that.


so whats the correct way of indicating that i'm refering to the girl i married? If i said to you "Em" you would know who i was talking about, so by saying "my wife" you know who i mean. Its not indicating 'ownership'. Thats bollocks. I'm her Husband. She's my Wife.

cheers innit

MellySingsDoom 01.22.2009 10:33 AM

Glice - As a fake Londoner, I tend to use "cheers" rather a lot (as you're aware). Is the over-use of "cheers" by us type to be tolerated, sneered at, or even (gulp) embraced?

Nefeli - I know what you mean re "the wife/my wife" - it's something that's I'm curious about too (See also: the missus, the breadknife, 'er indoors and my favourite (c/o the late John Mortimer) - she who must be obeyed).

afterthefact 01.22.2009 10:37 AM

I think "my wife" is more acceptable than "the wife." With the first, although "my" does usually imply ownership, this isn't the case here. Many uses of "my" simply indicate the relation of your subject to yourself, i.e. my God, my school, my boss, etc.

To say "the wife" gives less honor to your subject. You have cut off her relation to you (even though the word "wife" still indicates that, grammatically you have done so) and have made her an object.

Even worse, a guy I work with says "the old lady," which I won't even get started on.

Everyneurotic 01.22.2009 10:52 AM

spend 5 minutes thinking about it and must everybody is a hipster, you started getting disturbed and think about hipster consipiracy theories and how they secretly run the government...vice is just a cover for a monopoly of the media!!!

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last summer when i went to see the ex with getatchew mekurya and mahmoud ahmed and others at lincoln center, three idiots came into the row of seats i was in, and then they started to yell really obnoxiously "WOOOOOOOOOHH!!!! ROCK N' ROLL!!!! YEAH!!!!" being extreeeeeemely ironic and annoying and then leaving (thankfully) after like five minutes. THAT'S when i advocate people to kill all hipsters.

SonicBebs 01.22.2009 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nefeli
^ hm, did i piss you off?



heh, not at all
was just saying :) (edited: thats the 1st smiley i've used here i think)

hevusa 01.22.2009 12:26 PM

hipster Olympics
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAO4EVMlpwM

pbradley 01.22.2009 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by MellySingsDoom
Nefeli - I know what you mean re "the wife/my wife" - it's something that's I'm curious about too (See also: the missus, the breadknife, 'er indoors and my favourite (c/o the late John Mortimer) - she who must be obeyed).

I've come across this when studying language politics. There is a good science fiction book called The Dispossessed in which there is an anarcho-syndicalist planet which uses the "the" language while the other planet is an advanced capital state which is based on ownership. I suggest that book to anyone curious about possession in language.

Cheers.

demonrail666 01.22.2009 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nefeli
another thing that irritates me and its off topic, is the usage of The wife etc, instead of my wife. it isnt used only from the english or americans, so im very off topic.


This is a particular pet hate of mine, too.

uhler 01.22.2009 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by demonrail666
I'm thinking, should i only listen to music on this from now on?



 


rewind is so not hipster.


actually some hipsters carry those around, but they listen to their ipod.

Sonic Youth 37 01.22.2009 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by uhler
actually some hipsters carry those around, but they listen to their ipod.

that's the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard.

gmku 01.22.2009 04:58 PM

I would show you what a true hipster looks like by posting a picture of myself, but I'm very shy.

uhler 01.22.2009 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Sonic Youth 37
that's the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard.


welcome to my world.

ZEROpumpkins 01.22.2009 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by demonrail666
 

Hahahahahahaha, TFD is great.

Alex's Trip 01.22.2009 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nefeli
another thing that irritates me and its off topic, is the usage of The wife etc, instead of my wife. it isnt used only from the english or americans, so im very off topic.
normally i should prefer the "the" over the "my", since "my" shows ownership and ownership of a person isnt my thing, but i dont. ok, i dont like "my wife" either, but the "the wife" feels to me formal in a puritan, old fashion, completely of a person who has swallowed a stick- way.

edit. "my girlfriend" isnt bother me. i guess its the ownership ^2, in the case of my wife, since wife alone indicates "ownership".
and yo to me, if i managed to get accross to you what i mean by all that.

Saying my wife is less objectifying than the wife if you ask me. You don't say the sister, the mom, the dad. You use "my" but it doesn't imply that you own them, it simply shows that he/she is a relation to you. Just like "my day was good" doesn't mean you own the day but that it is a good day in relation to you.

gmku 01.22.2009 06:37 PM

A true hipster wouldn't be caught dead answering this thread, let alone visiting this forum!

MellySingsDoom 01.22.2009 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gmku
A true hipster wouldn't be caught dead answering this thread, let alone visiting this forum!


And let's not forget that a true hipster would mock the internet for being so 1990's.

gmku 01.22.2009 06:42 PM

What's the internet?

afterthefact 01.23.2009 07:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex's Trip
Saying my wife is less objectifying than the wife if you ask me. You don't say the sister, the mom, the dad. You use "my" but it doesn't imply that you own them, it simply shows that he/she is a relation to you. Just like "my day was good" doesn't mean you own the day but that it is a good day in relation to you.


I'm going to sue you.

afterthefact 01.23.2009 08:41 AM

I'm sure that when most people use the term "the wife," they mean no harm by it, and therefore they shouldn't be viewed as objectifying their mate. Still, I feel that for a society to truly advance, they need to get rid of any remnants of their former ways. You can't say that men and women are equal and then continue to use language that defies this. The effect of language on the human mind is tremendous; using this language will still trigger ideas in our subconscious and this can prevent us from truly advancing to a more enlightened state.

Wow, sorry, maybe I took this all to far :)

Alex's Trip 01.23.2009 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by afterthefact
I'm sure that when most people use the term "the wife," they mean no harm by it, and therefore they shouldn't be viewed as objectifying their mate. Still, I feel that for a society to truly advance, they need to get rid of any remnants of their former ways. You can't say that men and women are equal and then continue to use language that defies this. The effect of language on the human mind is tremendous; using this language will still trigger ideas in our subconscious and this can prevent us from truly advancing to a more enlightened state.

Wow, sorry, maybe I took this all to far :)

That's gay.

afterthefact 01.23.2009 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex's Trip
That's gay.


You are just mad because I'm suing you. I take this with stride, my good sir.

blunderbuss 01.23.2009 09:29 AM

I propose that, in the context of referring to another person, so as to avoid the risk of appearring to suggest ownership or objectification, the words "the" and "my" should be scrapped and replaced with "ickle cutie pie".





(This post was brought to you courtesy of yet another tedious day at the office.)

ALIEN ANAL 01.23.2009 09:36 AM

 

MellySingsDoom 01.23.2009 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gmku
What's the internet?


Wasn't Monika Lewinsky an internet? I'm confused me.

demonrail666 01.23.2009 09:46 AM

I always thought internet was a footballing term. It's when a player kicks the ball internet, thus scoring a goal.

afterthefact 01.23.2009 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nefeli
still using a certain kind of language, might mean that we arent completely free of the ideas that backed them up, even if we view them as politically incorrect.
we have get rid of many terms of a past society, but that takes time and work (from the media mostly).


Good point. The fact that we hear that now indicates that we may not even be as advanced as many may think. Of course, this isn't a huge surprise to most of us. :)
Quote:

Originally Posted by blunderbuss
I propose that, in the context of referring to another person, so as to avoid the risk of appearring to suggest ownership or objectification, the words "the" and "my" should be scrapped and replaced with "ickle cutie pie".


haha

afterthefact 01.23.2009 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by demonrail666
I always thought internet was a footballing term. It's when a player kicks the ball internet, thus scoring a goal.


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SonicBebs 01.23.2009 10:05 AM

so what do people think of marriage itself?
Is it an out of date concept? Or a celebration?

SonicBebs 01.23.2009 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nefeli
the whole deal or just the ceremony?


(i had many ways to reply to this and at one i combined hipsters with your question, but i didnt post it because i didnt find it that funny. and now the momentum is gone...oooo)


heheh

the whole shabang.
I was against it for a long time (during my cool alternative phase) (now i'm in my moany old git phase) but i think i saw how much Em wanted to get married and realised that it'd make her more happy than it'd make me sad so we got married. I'm happy that we did, it was a great day.

demonrail666 01.23.2009 10:23 AM

Marriage is fine if both parties feel it's what they want. It also has certain financial benefits. I tend to think it's unnecessary though when ventured into as a way of confirming a couple's commitment to one another.

afterthefact 01.23.2009 10:34 AM

I think marriage is great. I can see the pros and cons of each, but I'm glad I got married.

I do feel weird though referring to Jess even as "my wife." I usually just say Jess. I don't see the term "wife" as derogatory, just as I don't see "husband" derogatory, or "mother," "father," or "son," for that matter, but I still feel odd using the term.

But hey, how 'bout them hipsters, huh?!? :)

demonrail666 01.23.2009 10:37 AM

Hipsters don't marry, they 'connect'.

afterthefact 01.23.2009 10:43 AM

I thought they did marry, but they could only give their vows by text while at opposite sides of the room at a Minus The Bear show.

demonrail666 01.23.2009 10:49 AM

Please raise your pabsts to the bride and groom

afterthefact 01.23.2009 11:11 AM

The biggest drawback is all of the rice that gets caught in your ironic mustache...

uhler 01.23.2009 04:15 PM

hipsters don't like relationships cause they are "starving artists who feel relationships will ruin their creativity."

afterthefact 01.23.2009 04:17 PM

I don't like the term "starving artist." It makes me think of boring landscape paintings sold at flea markets.

█████████ 01.23.2009 04:45 PM

i have an iphone.


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