Hip-hop isn't music, cause it has no notes in it (A, B, C, Do, Ré, Mi...)
Sometimes rappers use one, or two notes (beep), or they "borrow" a line from other musician..

It's all about rythm/beat, and lyrics, I'd call it urban poetry.

all music is fake.

... put to music

you mean, because they're black, right?

Nah.. because of what I said.
It fits for Eminem as well.

I've heard some extremely musical hip hop.

listen to themselves.

You're kidding me, right? So for instance, Michael Jackson's "Human Nature" is indeed music, because it consists of notes. Similarly, it's still music when Miles Davis recorded it because again, he played notes. But when those notes are used as the backdrop for Nas' "It Ain't Hard To Tell," it stops being music?

I feel like you deserve to be banned for yr thought process. Haha.

All music -- even noise -- technically has "notes".

I'm listening to some badass drone right now in the key of C.

All sounds can technically be classified as some type of note.

right.

y'know, I like to think that I'm sort of well-liked on this board. I try to get along with everybody. I always try to be respectful of contrasting opinions, try to stay open-minded about things I'm unfamiliar with. I don't troll really. And I basically try to be nice to everybody I talk to. But in this case, I just feel like Gaul is coming across as an idiot.

oh.

So, I just listened to the Nas song you're talking about, it's a good example of what I said earlier.
Two notes played regularly: I suspect they are here so that no one can deny that this is music, based on an objective point of view.

In my experience, a note has no interest in itself:it makes sense only by the one that comes before, after or at the same time.
Maybe those two notes are tremendous to you: good for you.
Some bands are even more minimalist, like Cypress Hill, who only use one note, but I won't put a link now, cause I'm listening to Cows.

Translation:

tho dem wr appas.

Yall are too much!

syg at its best.

As it's already been said on this thread, EVERY SINGLE SOUND has a NOTE. I think what you mean there is that there's no "melody", right?
First, there are actual melodies in a lot of hip hop songs (not always in the vocals, but in the beat itself); and then again, because there's no melody does not mean that it is not music. I'll quote the wikipedia definition once more ...


I think hip hop is sound and silence expressed through time, right?
There are LOTS of music with no melody at all. Jim O'Rourke released an album based on ONE note (can't remember which one, unfortunately). There's no real melody in Silver Sessions, yet it's massively acknowledged as a masterpiece there. John Cage created a MUSICAL piece of plain SILENCE. Because there's no proper melody does not mean it's not music.
Music is sound that makes feel emotions or makes you want to dance or headbang in rhythm or what the fuck it makes you feel. In that, I feel hip hop qualifies as music as much as rock, techno or classical music. That you like it or not is another thing.

Apocalypse Zone by Cryptic One gives me shivers every time I listen to it. I guess it's just the "kick kick snare" in the rhythm, since the piano doesn't play notes!

I always thought of Hip Hop as a collage composed of many different musical elements. Just as a collage in the visual art world is composed of various pieces of visual art componants. These elements only mean what they mean when they are arranged in that manner.

music is the collection of sounds purposefully arranged for a specific emotional effect.

random shit clattering down the street is not music. but you can use random clattering to create something musical.

hip hop is poetry set to a beat.

a beat can be music, but it is ussually just the base for music.

By the way, here's a list of songs that are based on "two notes played regularly"...

Horse With No Name
America
Exodus
Bob Marley
Dreams
Fleetwood Mac
Roadrunner
Jonathan Richmond
Something In The Way
Nirvana
So What?
Miles Davis
I’m Waiting For The Man
Velvet Underground
Whole Lotta Love
Led Zeppelin
Shoulder Holster
Morcheeba
That’s The Way (I Like It)
KC and the Sunshine Band
How Come
Ray LaMontagne
Born In The U.S.A.
Bruce Springsteen

...apparently none of these should be considered music?

That took some serious research

nah. I just typed "songs with two chords" into google. :)

ahhhh, but a chord is at least 3 notes (fuck the barre). so those songs have at least 6 notes.




;)

This thread is painful to read. Truly painful.

Right.

My favorite 2 chord song ever Boredoms - super going. Almost 8 minutes of 2 chords and then 4 minutes of 2 different chords!

(okay, so I guess that's 4 different chords altogether but you get the idea)

I thought of that, but then realized: Not if yr playing it on a bass!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHcLs...eature=related

me dancing to stuntin like my daddy

that's my friend's house.

I actually have a sonic youth poster at my house!

Look closely and you can see a POLYSICS poster behind me here:

yr the NR Jr..... stunt-stuntin' like.

that song rules.

"bitch, im da bozz"

haha

you'd probably like LIKE FATHER LIKE SON if you don't have it. The whole album is like that. It's not one of my favorites, but it's definitely solid all the way thru.

haha

nr = lil wayne expert

Truth in the booth.

beanie segal!