i dont think YOU have any idea of what you're saying.

it's a bit like:

artistic forms are generated by human feelings that form life itself such as joy and sorrow, therefore it is absolutely wrong to attach any other human need or feeling that is not personal to it because I say so.

basically that, means nothing.

you would know, right?
you know about gibberish lol.

If you continue being contrary, without toning down your vague sloganeering, which, clearly, makes you avoid the harder route of explaing better your position, I might seriously think you're a waste of space. Ok?

do you even understand that you're basically saying the same thing we were?

the gossip is slightly subversive.

everything else you've said is completely unrelated.

we were not having a discussion on whether it is significant or right/wrong for a band to be politically engaged.

slightly subversive = mostly derivative

I find it repelling when bands are explicitly political. That may be more because my own distaste for politics, in general, than for whatever reasons concerning the band. Shouldn't be taken as apathy on my part, though, as I love music that has a concern with its own ethics. But the ordering of that ethics into a politics kills my interest in it as artform as it comes to incorporate impersonal notions of mobilization and criticism and a lot of other things that I think trivialize the sentiment. The end result is too big for me to find accessible and too boring.

no, i don't understand you. Also, you come across as patronising, so i'm putting even less effort into it. I agree we have something in common, but it's only (i think?) related to sexuality.

what is it?

oh sorry i thought you were being patronising. you were being serious?

i said slightly subversive, because apparently nothing is subversive enough for some people.

tho the agents enforcing order in fascists states would dare disagree: every subversion is a subversion, every seed of subversion is dangerous - they would say.

i kind of feel the same way but that doesnt mean such efforts arent necessary.

Has Beth Ditto ever said The Gossip is subversive?

she ended last night's show by having all the queers in the audience sing 'we are the campaigns'

Were there any CIA agents present at the show? :D

not that im aware of.

sorry, typo, i meant to type we are the champions.....shit, im exhausted....

we are the campaigns
sounded really

subversive
lol

You have to admire Beth for causing such a stir. The Gossip are very popular with the UK's indie cognoscenti. The NME loves the band. It even had a naked Beth on the cover of one of its editions.

yes i remember that one.

you gotta admire anyone who throws shit in the fan, there just isnt enough of that lately. everyones playing safe.

GROSS

If I ever think that music is necessary, cut my throat.

Nathan Howdeshell

“I think you can be subversive for subversiveness's sake,” he says.
“And then you start looking like a pompous Johnny Rotten. It’s more about trying to be positive and exposing the kids to new things and showing them there are different approaches to life, music and creativity.”
http://www.citylife.co.uk/music/features/13898_gossip_s_nathan_howdeshell_doesn_t_begrudge_ beth_ditto_her_high_profile


Someone in The Gossip agrees with me.

The Gossip aren't subversive at all.

Honestly, I'd make a better feminist or women rights-activist than you would. Try reading books with the intention of understanding the content before you go heavy on the inefective sloganeering. I am even being nice enough to give you the benefit of the doubt that you are smarter than what your posts make you come across as being.

i guess the part that you don't get is that my goal in posting is not to display all the depths of my intelligence or knowledge in feminism. I have no interest in trying to come across as philosophical all the time.

So you know, I've been posting with sense of humour and I'm sorry if I expected you to get it - it´s clealy not your thing.

I think it´s rather funny that you´re making personal comments about me (specially considering you know NOTHING about me) rather than the ideas being discussed. So I am forced to take it as you're the kind who enjoys discussing for discussing, provoking and disagreeing for the sake of it, whatever makes you feel smart.

As for Beth - I think she speaks more about gay rights than anything else. It is not her job to be deeply political or subversive, after all she´s just a singer in a rock band. But yes,feminists in general would regard her as positive influence on children, specially now that she´s been modelling for magazines as a fashion icon. Perhaps that means a future of less aesthetic fascism.

But compared to the majority of bands teens are listening to nowadays they are the closest to actually having a subversive aura, and I am saying that picturing a 13 year old watching mtv. Because in the end she's playing to same teenage audience that watches hip hop videos or talk about britney spears not being skinny enough, or nickelback or something. So in context, if you compare it to the general content of mainstream teenage music - the gossip plays the part of subversion, and I would say, they´re a better influence.

so, pbradley, i didnt say music is necessary, I said this kind of message is, when you´re a kid. Unless you want everyone to turn into starbucks drinking yuppies.

Nope. You were being serious most of the time, sweetie. In fact I also noticed that you toned down your initial post claim that they are a subversive alternative in the mainstream since I challenged you to explain it better. It's not for you to decide if I have a sense of humour or not.

OH lol - let me quote - it's not for you to decide if I was being serious or not.

It´s great to see this random name on a screen that suddenly knows more about me than myself.

I've been saying the same thing in different ways, I am sorry that you can't see.

As much as it is tempting to watch you regurgitate some random bullshit that you might find meaningful, its kind of getting tiring now.

I think its time to go back to your drone spiritual thread, I mean you will have more food for philosophical gibberish there, and if you're lucky someone might compliment your vocab.

but wait, is this person real?

I don't care who you might or might not be in reality. You keep on stating this and that, yet you give me the impression that you don't like being disagreed upon, therefore you reply in an aggressive manner because you're being called out about certain statements in your posts that I find flawed. If you give a phrase a definite meaning, I would expect you to be able to break it down bit by bit and explain why you wrote it the way you did.

Carry on.

I don't like being disagreed upon?

Are you sure?

because it seems to me you're the one who can't let it rest.

Also I reply in agressive manner because I am a bitch and a part of me enjoys watching you retort (I read it in my mind in a whiny voice and for that I apologyse).

I think I have explained myself very clearly a few times now.

You can read it.

Random name on a screen detected someone with an attention seeking disorder too.

Dead sure.

I'm a bitch too.

ok since you insist.

sub⋅ver⋅sive





tending to subvert or advocating subversion, esp. in an attempt to overthrow or cause the destruction of an established or legally constituted government. –noun 2. a person who adopts subversive principles or policies.


the gossip:

- advocate the destruction of estabilished order (homophobia, beauty standards) - check
- clear attempt to preach against the goverment at the time - check
- explicit engagement in urging homossexuals to seek their civil rights - check

? wtf

Yeah yeah, spare me the wikipedias/free dictionaries of the internet. If you seriosuly think that The Gossip are capable of all the things subversion really requires in order to subvert anything, you have to be one the most deluded posters I have come across on this forum. Seriously.

Go on.

Whoo. Bitch is getting tired, is she?

Did I say they are capable of changing things? In this case, I am using the dictionary meaning of the word, not your own personal delusional meaning. Subversive does not mean capable of actually instauring those changes, it simply means advocating the changes.

Who are you to say what subversion really requires? Subversion is just a concept that could be applied in many different contexts.

Are you saying the dictionary is wrong? Because I got a few.

Pfft. And you question my intelligence.

Actually, bitch has to work and yes this is getting boring. You´re boring.

especially intended to overthrow or undermine an established government.

What part of that you don't understand, then? I don't think you find me boring. I think you don't like the fact that I think you talk rubbish, therefore you get all stroppy. Thicker skin here. Bitch.

it says specially in an attempt to overthrow or undermine goverment, not exclusively.

read better. you have changed the sentence lol! oh god you can change the dictionary kudos!

but in their case they did make an effort to sing songs against bush yes.

also...

–noun 2. a person who adopts subversive principles or policies.

Yes, you did imply it. I'm not gonna go back and read your posts again. Hopefully, while you were trembling a little with menstrual contempt for the malesapiens, you didn't edit them. Ok?

What part of that you don't understand, then?

This is making me lol so hard. You clearly changed the dictionary definition and then ask me that. OH god. LOL.

No I didn´t. All I said is that I find it more comforting to see a teenager listen to the gossip rather than katie perry.