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knox 02.16.2010 04:22 PM

NO. he's sexy.

pbradley 02.16.2010 04:33 PM

I can understand people referring to American cultures like New English or Southern culture. "American" culture across the nation is mostly vapid beyond consumerism. It's a matter of fact that there are communities of extra-American cultures that are far stronger than more abstract notions of culture found in generations-removed whites.

Anyway, I don't like giving injunctives as to who or what cultures people identify themselves. I know most want to protect cultures from big bad homogeny while others want to abandon culture all together and be pure individuals, or something. Honestly, one of the few things I love about the United States is this cultural ambiguity. I can identify with my heritage from Ireland and Germany, which isn't so far back as one might assume, but in a sense there's still that "cultural frontier" aspect within the United States. In other words, I can have my place in history but without being strangled by it. It's entirely up to my whim to see myself in history in its many aspects, as it should be.

Crumb's Crunchy Delights 02.16.2010 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by SONIC GAIL
The jesus I know said to love everyone unconditionaly despite our differences. God's creations are all unique.

Matthew 10:34-39 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it."

SONIC GAIL 02.16.2010 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Crumb's Crunchy Delights
Matthew 10:34-39 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it."


I love yr quotes. Who are you? To me that always meant that people will disagree with you when you trust and have faith in Jesus. Your faith will ultimatley cause tension between you and others because they might disagree. Also it is saying to put God first because if you love god the most the rest will work out itself. And I hope to one day loose my life for his sake.;)

Crumb's Crunchy Delights 02.16.2010 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SONIC GAIL
I love yr quotes. Who are you? To me that always meant that people will disagree with you when you trust and have faith in Jesus. Your faith will ultimatley cause tension between you and others because they might disagree. Also it is saying to put God first because if you love god the most the rest will work out itself. And I hope to one day loose my life for his sake.;)

there are lots (EDIT: a fair few) of other examples of jesus preaching hate

on slavery: Titus 2:9 "Exhort servants to be obedient unto their own masters, and to please them well in all things; not answering again"

sure he preached love more. maybe the hate just when he was feeling a bit pissed? skipped breakfast or somesuch

pbradley 02.16.2010 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SONIC GAIL
Also it is saying to put God first because if you love god the most the rest will work out itself.

I lol'd.

Crumb's Crunchy Delights 02.16.2010 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SONIC GAIL
Who are you?

yr worst nightmare:mad:

haha only joking

pick yr favorite jesus love quote and ill dedicate it to you:)

Glice 02.16.2010 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by knox
maybe he just doesn't know glice has my special permission to be a cunt 24/7.


I don't need your permission. If there was any permission needed in this relationship, it would be from me to you, to fuck dogs. And it would be continually denied. And yet you would continue to fuck dogs. Because you're a dog-fucking tower of AIDS.

knox 02.16.2010 05:34 PM

i knew you'd react to the permission part.

davenotdead 02.16.2010 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Glice
Because you're a dog-fucking tower of AIDS.


i smiled because i imagined this guy saying it
 
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fugazifan 02.16.2010 05:59 PM

back to one of the point brought up here by sonic gail adn savage clone
i dont think that there is a time limit to when you are allowed to feel connected to your roots. i have over the past year or som been a bit lost as to what nationality i belong to, and what my roots and traditions actually are.
i have lived in israel for over half my life
before that i was born and lived in the states.
my mothers side of the family immigrated there from vienna in 39, and my fathers from eastern europe during the 1st decade of the 20th century.
so i dont really know where i belong and what i connect to.
when im ion israel i feel more american, when im in america, or see americans that come here i am reminded on how much i dont feel connected to them...
so yeah, boring post over.

knox 02.16.2010 06:02 PM

i imagine he's saying everything glice posts, on the phone.

ni'k 02.16.2010 06:07 PM

the only people that enjoy their irishness are americans who somehow think they can be irish when they havent lived here. really being irish is absolutely shit in every fucking way possible and you should be glad your relatives got out of this place.

i feel really sorry for the first humans who set out north from africa into europe, those pioneer primitives who were able to walk over areas that are now just ocean, due to the ice age. some of the poor fuckers ended up getting to a point were there was just ocean and a massive gap seperating them from america, which they had no notion of. and then of course the ice age ended and the ice melted and they couldnt get back, and so ended up on an island.

since those days everyone born here has either left or settled in for a life of alcoholism and settling for less.

floatingslowly 02.16.2010 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ni'k
the only people that enjoy their irishness are americans who somehow think they can be irish when they havent lived here.


the rest of us changed our last names. :o

I'm an ex-McEwen.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 02.16.2010 09:59 PM

first and foremost:

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Originally Posted by wellcharge
no i logged in because habte selassie isn't deserving of being harassed on the same point over and over


thank you. sincerely.. I have been getting way to much shit for this for literally too many years now.

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Originally Posted by knox
no, you ass, i wanted a reply, from him, not you.

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Originally Posted by ni'k

he always has an answer to the charge of his whiteness, so we shall wait and see what he posts.



here I come.. whoa.. shuudiddwadiddidily whoa.. seen

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Originally Posted by wellcharge
wow, good job bringing up the same interesting and provocative thing about him that has come up on a regular basis,for years. you win the gold metal in beating a dead horse



seriously.
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Originally Posted by wellcharge

if it gets any worse i'm going to start acting jamaican in protest, and yuh no wan see man when he yaaaard out

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Originally Posted by wellcharge
go and fetch me mi peanut punch babylon pussyhole




easy I iyah lyon.. cool and calm pon the scene every time, seen? (and the correct term there would be "pussy-clot")
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Originally Posted by floatingslowly

perhaps, my man the I' mon can answer for himself with more tact than you, rudeboy.



yes I I-dren, give thanks kingmon, maximum raspect to all the heartical I-ses.
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Originally Posted by knox
how would i have known, i havent been here for years.
i find it really curious thats all.
i didnt even know it had been mentioned before, but that makes it even more curious.
i have brought it up before, indeed, but i had no answer.
while glice is naturally gifted at cuntness, therefore somehow entitled, wellcharge just takes everything way too seriously.



My sister, I honestly don't understand all the fuss. Yes, I am a white guy from Los Angeles, but I am also a 100% original Rastafari, Tewahedo Orthodox convert, Ethiopian Orthodox Parish School of Religion Instructor named Habte Selassie. Do you think eldery, well-respected Ethiopian clerics pass out African names like handshakes? Do you think those ranking big dread teach everyone to play the heartical nyabinghi (which is construed, "death to all white oppressors") drum?

I-man EARNED the stripes to claim my titles, and none of y'all as silly as you want to be folks can take them from me. Those who have eyes to see, have seen and are quite respectful. If it is in ignorance, now you know, and in the future we will see if you are like the others who are simply hating what they can't believe, which is odd for a bunch of supposedly open-minded indie/artistic folks like SYG.

also:
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Originally Posted by knox
i'd like to know if suchfriends realises he's white.


In case you weren't aware:
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Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous
. To be overly conscious of a person's racial identity, and in fact draw an unnecessary amount of attention to it, is racism.






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Originally Posted by ni'k
yeah but he has the almighty omnipotence of god's infinite compassion on his side so its not like he needs your help, mere mortal.


props. that was so funny, I broke out in hysterical laughter on the bus when I read it. (not sarcastic)
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Originally Posted by floatingslowly
11. Thou shalt not question white men in tradional African garb.



 

knox 02.17.2010 06:40 AM

i'm not the one who's concious dear.
i frankly don't care that you're white.
i just wanted to know you were aware.
i think multiquoting is a terrible habit.
it's all very nice and interesting, but nothing is going to change the fact you were born a white boy probably named brian.
you're the one acting like there is something wrong with that.

floatingslowly 02.17.2010 08:37 AM

I've known a lot of white guys that didn't act it. mostly, it was for attention.

not a single-one of the attention grabbers actually went so far as to attend an Ethiopian church.

in the very least, Ras has a sincere dedication toward the cause of promoting one-love.

respec'

ni'k 02.17.2010 09:57 AM

shudeedadidilleeidileewoah-oh sudillwilldilleeidilywo-ah - am brah'd - am brah'd - am brah'der dan brah'dway

SONIC GAIL 02.17.2010 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by floatingslowly
I've known a lot of white guys that didn't act it. mostly, it was for attention.

not a single-one of the attention grabbers actually went so far as to attend an Ethiopian church.

in the very least, Ras has a sincere dedication toward the cause of promoting one-love.

respec'


True that. He earned his stripes and I think it is very couragous of him to take his route, considering the fact that he must get shit about it daily in real life as well as on here. I have learned more about my faith from him than any priest or church.

SONIC GAIL 02.17.2010 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Crumb's Crunchy Delights
there are lots (EDIT: a fair few) of other examples of jesus preaching hate

on slavery: Titus 2:9 "Exhort servants to be obedient unto their own masters, and to please them well in all things; not answering again"

sure he preached love more. maybe the hate just when he was feeling a bit pissed? skipped breakfast or somesuch


You cannot separate love and hate. Humans are hard hearted and alot of things in the bible take that into consideration. In the society of the time in which that was written it was common for people to have servants. Some were not slaves persay, but people that worked for food and shelter in a time that did not have consumerism and a wealth of jobs for a large population. Also it is symbolic of God being the master and we are the servants and that for our lives to be as peacefull as possible in this world it is best that we obey what he has told us. Because after all, sin usually harms the sinner more than anyone else.

ni'k 02.17.2010 10:18 AM

thank god for consumerism and a wealth of jobs because there are no slaves anymore and people dont have to work for food and shelter?

SONIC GAIL 02.17.2010 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ni'k
thank god for consumerism and a wealth of jobs because there are no slaves anymore and people dont have to work for food and shelter?


I just love yr comebacks;)

SONIC GAIL 02.17.2010 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Crumb's Crunchy Delights
there are lots (EDIT: a fair few) of other examples of jesus preaching hate

on slavery: Titus 2:9 "Exhort servants to be obedient unto their own masters, and to please them well in all things; not answering again"

sure he preached love more. maybe the hate just when he was feeling a bit pissed? skipped breakfast or somesuch


I've been thinking...yr right jesus did not come to bring peace to the earth. He came as a wake up call to those who needed it so that we could all find peace in death (new life). So I guess alot of it comes across as hatefull to some...but he was just calling it as he saw it. Sometimes people don't like the truth.

knox 02.17.2010 12:03 PM

maybe he had moodswings or something.

SONIC GAIL 02.17.2010 12:05 PM

Possible, he had visions and such

ni'k 02.17.2010 12:05 PM

thank god he's dead.

SONIC GAIL 02.17.2010 12:07 PM

he's alive. rebirth

ni'k 02.17.2010 12:11 PM

i doubt it.

SONIC GAIL 02.17.2010 12:18 PM

 

floatingslowly 02.17.2010 12:28 PM

all of my favorite songs are about jesus and heroin.

SONIC GAIL 02.17.2010 12:44 PM

me too

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 02.17.2010 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by knox
it's all very nice and interesting, but nothing is going to change the fact you were born a white boy probably named brian.
you're the one acting like there is something wrong with that.

sister if you can't see it then I'm done trying to explain. What is wrong with my cultural identity? Why does it trouble you so? What, am I supposed to work at the Gap, shop at Kohl's, eat at Red Robin, attend a local Presbyterian congregation where I play cheesy rock guitar in the church band, marry a boring plain jain white girl and name my kid Todd to appease your misconceived notions of who I-man is supposed to be?

When did I ever use such prejudice to judge you? Have I ever told you what culture your supposed to follow?

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Originally Posted by floatingslowly
I've known a lot of white guys that didn't act it. mostly, it was for attention.

not a single-one of the attention grabbers actually went so far as to attend an Ethiopian church.

in the very least, Ras has a sincere dedication toward the cause of promoting one-love.

respec'



seriously. most Ethiopians don't even go to Ethiopian Church as much as I do ;)

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Originally Posted by SONIC GAIL
True that. He earned his stripes and I think it is very couragous of him to take his route, considering the fact that he must get shit about it daily in real life as well as on here. I have learned more about my faith from him than any priest or church.



thank you :)

Glice 02.17.2010 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous
sister if you can't see it then I'm done trying to explain. What is wrong with my cultural identity? Why does it trouble you so? What, am I supposed to work at the Gap, shop at Kohl's, eat at Red Robin, attend a local Presbyterian congregation where I play cheesy rock guitar in the church band, marry a boring plain jain white girl and name my kid Todd to appease your misconceived notions of who I-man is supposed to be?



At the risk of either fanning the flames or putting words into knox 'cunt' knox's mouth, the problem is largely not where you identify culturally. There's plenty of people who identify with cultures outside of their ethnicity, and the subject is vastly more complex than being reduced to skin-colour, relating, as it does, to a multitude of socio-economic factors. No, the problem is that you constantly - and I'd say largely unwittingly - identify white culture in entirely negative terms. Personally, I identify quite heavily with people like Oum Kalsoum or Munir Bashir, and I've been working quite hard on learning maqams and so on. I'm well aware that my relationship to Arabic culture is largely due to its esoteric nature - it's largely absent to me, except as rendered through British Arabs and ex-pat Arabs in Britain. But while this privileging of one culture is fair game, doing so at the expense of cultures closer to me isn't. Your situation is necessarily different - you say you live in a heavily black area, so the saturation of 'black' culture (obviously, culture shouldn't really be identified by colour) is expected. But the negation, or the stereotyping of 'white' culture in negative terms, is what gets people's backs up - regardless of their ethnicity. There's a (likely just) moratorium on identifying 'black' culture negatively, but the upshot of this should never be that 'white' culture be rendered as something to be avoided.

Glice 02.17.2010 01:35 PM

Oh, incidentally, Jains are rarely white.

dale_gribble 02.17.2010 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ni'k
thank god for consumerism and a wealth of jobs because there are no slaves anymore and people dont have to work for food and shelter?


moar like, thank god for consumerism because now people don't know they're slaves anymore and they pay for their own food and shelter instead of the slave master doing so

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 02.17.2010 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Glice
At the risk of either fanning the flames or putting words into knox 'cunt' knox's mouth, the problem is largely not where you identify culturally. There's plenty of people who identify with cultures outside of their ethnicity, and the subject is vastly more complex than being reduced to skin-colour, relating, as it does, to a multitude of socio-economic factors. No, the problem is that you constantly - and I'd say largely unwittingly - identify white culture in entirely negative terms. Personally, I identify quite heavily with people like Oum Kalsoum or Munir Bashir, and I've been working quite hard on learning maqams and so on. I'm well aware that my relationship to Arabic culture is largely due to its esoteric nature - it's largely absent to me, except as rendered through British Arabs and ex-pat Arabs in Britain. But while this privileging of one culture is fair game, doing so at the expense of cultures closer to me isn't. Your situation is necessarily different - you say you live in a heavily black area, so the saturation of 'black' culture (obviously, culture shouldn't really be identified by colour) is expected. But the negation, or the stereotyping of 'white' culture in negative terms, is what gets people's backs up - regardless of their ethnicity. There's a (likely just) moratorium on identifying 'black' culture negatively, but the upshot of this should never be that 'white' culture be rendered as something to be avoided.

perhaps my rhetoric is bit harsher then my experience.

I do not have an affinity with the "white" culture that I am supposed to be. I do not like it, I do not enjoy it, I do not naturally gravitate towards it. I-man is a Rastafari since creation, and I fall towards it like a stone falls to the earth, having nothing do with race. OF COURSE, rastafari is a black nationalist movement so I have been caught up in 'whiteness' being its antithesis.

In regards to Ethiopianism, I have fallen head over heals in love with Ethiopian culture as an expression of my deep Christianity. In fact, did you know that from my conversion to Ethiopian Christianity, I actually found an affinity with my European Christian roots that as an American I had no knowledge of? I LOVE cathedrals, I love the historiography of European Christianity, I love to get in touch with Orthodoxy and roots Catholocism, as they relate to the current way I express my faith through the vehicle of Ethiopian christianity, its foods, its calender, its rituals, its songs, its clothing, its mannerisms, etc etc.

I guess all y'all have been acting defensively, assuming that when I mash on white culture, I am mashing on y'all, which is not the case I assure y'all.

another fundamental difference, is that where you might like elements of Arab culture, I LIVE Rastafari and Ethiopian culture, it is more than mere fascination. I LIVE this culture. I AM a Rastafari. I am Tewahedo Orthodox. This is culture. These are MY culture. I am also of European ancestry and have white skin, this is my geno/phenotype, irrelevant to culture. Perhaps what is hard for y'all out in SYG to understand is how I could possibly and truly BE a part of a culture which generally treats folks like us as outsiders, and that is as much a mystery to me as you. I was openly accepted, and I am a functioning member of these communities, not as an outsider who infiltrated, but actually the opposite. Technically, I am infiltrating white-american culture ;)

floatingslowly 02.17.2010 02:05 PM

when I mash on white culture, I am mashing on y'all. I assure y'all.

other than that, I don't really care.

there's a good chance that I won't like you, regardless of coloUr.

ni'k 02.17.2010 02:10 PM

wait i had to EDIT that out because i realised i couldnt give a fuck whatsoever

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 02.17.2010 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ni'k
wait i had to EDIT that out because i realised i couldnt give a fuck whatsoever

\
seriously, I have been wondering why I have to explain myself so damned much here, because why do so many folks at lest feign to give a shit or even worse, dedicate so much time talking pure shit! I must have posted my autobiography across countless threads and as it has been said, it is beating a dead horse.

Crumb's Crunchy Delights 02.17.2010 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SONIC GAIL
You cannot separate love and hate. Humans are hard hearted and alot of things in the bible take that into consideration. In the society of the time in which that was written it was common for people to have servants. Some were not slaves persay, but people that worked for food and shelter in a time that did not have consumerism and a wealth of jobs for a large population. Also it is symbolic of God being the master and we are the servants and that for our lives to be as peacefull as possible in this world it is best that we obey what he has told us. Because after all, sin usually harms the sinner more than anyone else.

i used the kjv because i like it, but i haven't found anybody who disputes that it's slaves that he means and is specified in other translations.

if jesus was so caring and thought we should all be kind to each other and consider everybody to be equal, why didn't he condemn slavery in spite of the prevailing attitude of the time?

you can separate love and hate. one's kissy kissy and the other's punchy punchy


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