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Toilet & Bowels 04.30.2010 05:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glice
the language of the dog-fuckers.


funnily enough the only woman i've ever known of who fucked a dog was spanish

Genteel Death 04.30.2010 06:50 AM

All speaking the same language surly improves racial relations amongst people?

Genteel Death 04.30.2010 06:52 AM

That's not to say that you can't still speak your own (as if). There should be a standard global language for everyone and it should be one, not two, so as not make things more confusing and complicated.

knox 04.30.2010 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Magic Wheel Memory
I called you an asshole because you implied that I'm racist. That's a serious thing to say about someone you know so little about. Nothing I have said on this board gives you any reason to believe I am racist.


I did not imply that at all.

I asked if you used that old trick racists use, but I did not say you were a racist. Slightly xenophobe, maybe.

Keeping It Simple 04.30.2010 07:05 AM

The universal language of the world is English.

Glice 04.30.2010 07:33 AM

Actually, English is the 3rd most spoken language; I think it's more appropriate to say it's very close to being a global lingua franca, and even so, that's not appropriate for every territory - just the developed West and capitalist East-Asia, Large parts of Africa and the Indian sub-continent.

Glice 04.30.2010 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels
funnily enough the only woman i've ever known of who fucked a dog was spanish


Ha! Brilliant.

Rob Instigator 04.30.2010 08:46 AM

all the dogfuckers on the net are white goth chicks with no self-esteem and father-abandonment issues

GeneticKiss 04.30.2010 12:43 PM

I don't really have an opinion on Alabama's driver's ed tests, but I can tell you this--as someone who works in retail, it can be really fucking annoying to try to sell stuff to couples or groups of people where only one of them can speak English (let alone fluent English), and they're prattling away to each other in a language you can't understand.

I say Esperanto needs to be implemented ASAP. The idea was that it was supposed to be everyone's second language, not replace all the languages of the world. Everything that is public (media, publications, signs) would be in Esperanto, so there'd be no need for everything to be printed in 3 or 4 different languages. If you were in a foreign country, you could still communicate without needing to learn the local language. And there'd be no need for diplomats to learn 10 different languages.

In this day and age of a global economy, communication is of utmost importance. But no, we have to have arrogant, lazy fucks who think, "Why should I have to learn something new? Why can't you just learn to do things my way?"

Glice 04.30.2010 12:53 PM

Esperanto wouldn't mitigate laziness though - rather, it'd create yet more Euro-centrism to lingua francas. It's much easier for Europeans to learn than, say, the Chinese. As a synthetic language, it doesn't offer non-European people much until it's long established and widely-used. By which time, it'd probably have gone through pidgin, creole and patois forms, and then whole new languages spring, and you're back at square one. Cynical, I realise, but I don't hold any stock with Esperanto - might just as well get the UN to impose we all learn Mandarin.

Rob Instigator 04.30.2010 01:12 PM

exactly. the chinos and esperanto do not mix

pbradley 04.30.2010 01:34 PM

"Esperanto" must be the worst name for anything ever. Proper nouns so horrible are reserved for SUVs.

demonrail666 04.30.2010 01:35 PM

never trust a language that sounds like a hot beverage

knox 04.30.2010 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeneticKiss
I don't really have an opinion on Alabama's driver's ed tests, but I can tell you this--as someone who works in retail, it can be really fucking annoying to try to sell stuff to couples or groups of people where only one of them can speak English (let alone fluent English), and they're prattling away to each other in a language you can't understand.

I say Esperanto needs to be implemented ASAP. The idea was that it was supposed to be everyone's second language, not replace all the languages of the world. Everything that is public (media, publications, signs) would be in Esperanto, so there'd be no need for everything to be printed in 3 or 4 different languages. If you were in a foreign country, you could still communicate without needing to learn the local language. And there'd be no need for diplomats to learn 10 different languages.

In this day and age of a global economy, communication is of utmost importance. But no, we have to have arrogant, lazy fucks who think, "Why should I have to learn something new? Why can't you just learn to do things my way?"


well, that's funny.

Toilet & Bowels 04.30.2010 07:34 PM

everyone should just learn chinese, english, arabic, & spanish

Magic Wheel Memory 05.01.2010 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by knox
I did not imply that at all.

I asked if you used that old trick racists use, but I did not say you were a racist. Slightly xenophobe, maybe.


There's nothing xenophobic about anything I've said, either. Do you think that belieiving in an "official language" goes hand in hand with xenophobia? Consider this:

1. My mother is an immigrant who lived in this country for 40 years before becoming a citizen.

2. My father's father was an immigrant with very little money, who went to night school to learn English.

3. Instead of owning a home in New Jersey, where I can build equity and have some space and a nice yard, I pay rent to live in a tiny apartment in Manhattan. Why would I choose that if I didn't want to be around immigrants?

4. I share this tiny apartment with my girlfriend, who immigrated here from Asia and learned to speak English.

5. For 11 year, I have worked in a company where I have been one of the only Americans. My superiors and my peers in this company have come from about 20 different countries and represent almost every race. They all speak English.

You'd have a pretty tough time making a case that I'm a xenophobe. And yet I believe in an official language. It is not a contradiction. I even think you'd be surprised how many American immigrants, who didn't originally speak English, believe in English as an official language. I understand there are practical limitations for some people, such as money for English classes, etc. As someone posted earlier, maybe the government could sponsor this for people in need. The point is that if people don't have the desire to be able to communicate with other Americans, then I don't think they should live here.

pbradley 05.01.2010 02:00 PM

I apologize if you've answered this earlier but what punishments would have in place for those who do not speak English? Deportation?

If refusing to communicate with other Americans is a deportable offense, should sign language be mandatory? Should this be put more broadly as to deport asocial personalities?

Here, in California, Spanish is very commonly used to the point that refusing to learn Spanish could be a greater indication of refusing to communicate with other Americans than of the other way around. That seems like a weak intention to base law upon.

automatic bzooty 05.02.2010 12:35 AM

i wish i was gay so i could piss off the homophobes - kurtis cobainus

i wish i was bilingual so i could piss off people who don't like that sort of thing - me

samuel 05.02.2010 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by space
I think that the message may be lost here...

nobody is saying that you MUST "speak english or die", however, if you cannot read the street signs, or pass a test regarding the local laws, in English, should you be on the road?

although I do not feel that people should be "forced" to speak english, certain responbilibities certainly require it in the locality which you CHOOSE to live.

should the Alabama Department of Transportation be forced to spend money on a Mandarin Chinese version of the driving test, or say, jungle pygmy, on the chance that a speaker of such would like to drive?



This is the end of the argument.

pbradley 05.02.2010 03:28 PM

In parts of the country which have a high population of people who speak a language other than English, street signs and tests should should include the language.

Public safety should not be the stage for exclusionary race politics.

Alabama does not have a sizable Chinese or pygmy population.

knox 05.02.2010 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magic Wheel Memory
There's nothing xenophobic about anything I've said, either. Do you think that belieiving in an "official language" goes hand in hand with xenophobia? Consider this:

1. My mother is an immigrant who lived in this country for 40 years before becoming a citizen.

2. My father's father was an immigrant with very little money, who went to night school to learn English.

3. Instead of owning a home in New Jersey, where I can build equity and have some space and a nice yard, I pay rent to live in a tiny apartment in Manhattan. Why would I choose that if I didn't want to be around immigrants?

4. I share this tiny apartment with my girlfriend, who immigrated here from Asia and learned to speak English.

5. For 11 year, I have worked in a company where I have been one of the only Americans. My superiors and my peers in this company have come from about 20 different countries and represent almost every race. They all speak English.

You'd have a pretty tough time making a case that I'm a xenophobe. And yet I believe in an official language. It is not a contradiction. I even think you'd be surprised how many American immigrants, who didn't originally speak English, believe in English as an official language. I understand there are practical limitations for some people, such as money for English classes, etc. As someone posted earlier, maybe the government could sponsor this for people in need. The point is that if people don't have the desire to be able to communicate with other Americans, then I don't think they should live here.


i didnt even read this since i dont care

all i wanna say is

official language = assholism

why do you care if people dont wanna be understood by you

they probably have no desire to communicate with other americans, they were probably forced to live there for other personal conditions and situations that have absolutely nothing to do with you.

its not your fucking land, its not your business, you dont have a say nobody gives a shit if that bothers you.

in fact, one aspect of democracy is having to live with things that bother you.

the goverment has more important things to spend its money, way more important than teaching english to people because it bothers people like you

oh so they dont wanna communicate with you BOO HOO


ps - how many languages do you speak?
according to your logic, shouldn't you speak fluent spanish in order to communicate with like half of your country?

space 05.02.2010 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by knox
the goverment has more important things to spend money than teaching english


yes, like learning how to give drivers license tests in pygmy.

stab me again?

knox 05.02.2010 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magic Wheel Memory
There's nothing xenophobic about anything I've said, either. Do you think that belieiving in an "official language" goes hand in hand with xenophobia? Consider this:

1. My mother is an immigrant who lived in this country for 40 years before becoming a citizen.

2. My father's father was an immigrant with very little money, who went to night school to learn English.

3. Instead of owning a home in New Jersey, where I can build equity and have some space and a nice yard, I pay rent to live in a tiny apartment in Manhattan. Why would I choose that if I didn't want to be around immigrants?

4. I share this tiny apartment with my girlfriend, who immigrated here from Asia and learned to speak English.

5. For 11 year, I have worked in a company where I have been one of the only Americans. My superiors and my peers in this company have come from about 20 different countries and represent almost every race. They all speak English.

You'd have a pretty tough time making a case that I'm a xenophobe. And yet I believe in an official language. It is not a contradiction. I even think you'd be surprised how many American immigrants, who didn't originally speak English, believe in English as an official language. I understand there are practical limitations for some people, such as money for English classes, etc. As someone posted earlier, maybe the government could sponsor this for people in need. The point is that if people don't have the desire to be able to communicate with other Americans, then I don't think they should live here.


lol
thanks for number 3
ill read it a few times

knox 05.02.2010 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by space
yes, like learning how to give drivers license tests in pygmy.

stab me again?


i dont know, stabby
perhaps if your public transportation wasnt close to non-existant you wouldnt have so many pygmies trying to get a drivers license
(not to mention oil wars and black lungs)

or perhaps they could pay FEES for their own interpreting/translation work (which seems to happen in other places, wow who would have thought)

space 05.02.2010 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by knox
or perhaps they could pay FEES for their own interpreting/translation work (which seems to happen in other places, wow who would have thought)


oh, you'd like that...WOULDN'T YOU?!!/??!


ps: magic wheel memory cannot have me no matter how nice his yard is. I'm taken.

knox 05.02.2010 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by space
oh, you'd like that...WOULDN'T YOU?!!/??!


ps: magic wheel memory cannot have me no matter how nice his yard is. I'm taken.


well i kind of like that yes.
i don't get all excited but my bank account is sad.

demonrail666 05.02.2010 05:58 PM

foreign people should be dubbed, or at least come with subtitles

Pookie 05.02.2010 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by demonrail666
foreign people should be dubbed, or at least come with subtitles

Or speak proper English.

demonrail666 05.02.2010 06:08 PM

yeah but then they'd stop being properly foreign

demonrail666 05.02.2010 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Pookie
I didn't think that through did I?

Other than a tendency to wear clothes from an 80s Australian soap opera and bleach and scrape back the hair, how else would we tell we were in the company of an East European job snatcher?


If it's a guy his head will be slightly flat at the back. I've never seen an Eastern European woman so don't know about them.

pbradley 05.02.2010 06:32 PM

One regret of mine is not having been raised at an early age to speak more than one language. Those are the best years. If I am to ever have children, I would like them to learn at least a second language.

Pookie 05.02.2010 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by demonrail666
If it's a guy his head will be slightly flat at the back. I've never seen an Eastern European woman so don't know about them.

I spent one morning last week showing a Polish man around our town. As with most foreign men I've known, his English was better than most English people I know.

He's named his son Colin though... in order to fit in:o.

Lurker 05.02.2010 06:47 PM

I'm naming all my sons Colin...so they fit in with each other.

demonrail666 05.02.2010 06:47 PM

the word colin means unqualified carpenter in Polish. Be careful.

!@#$%! 05.02.2010 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jennthebenn
Speaking as an actual, offline friend...you know you done fucked up expecting
a respectful debate on the Internet, right?

"Zoos are inhumane."
"Fuck you, you gay fag."


ha ha haa

you're so awesome it's at times difficult to believe you inhabit the internets

you should post here more often, and save us from ourselves

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels
funnily enough the only woman i've ever known of who fucked a dog was spanish


did you fuck her too? was it before or after the dog? how far apart?

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeneticKiss
I don't really have an opinion on Alabama's driver's ed tests, but I can tell you this--as someone who works in retail, it can be really fucking annoying to try to sell stuff to couples or groups of people where only one of them can speak English (let alone fluent English), and they're prattling away to each other in a language you can't understand.


sounds like tourists with money. a good businessperson would learn their language. you should see how newly-moneyed latin-americans (the Tabarato tribe) shop by the barrel in miami, for that reason.

GeneticKiss 05.02.2010 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by !@#$%!
sounds like tourists with money. a good businessperson would learn their language. you should see how newly-moneyed latin-americans (the Tabarato tribe) shop by the barrel in miami, for that reason.


Sorry, speaking to foreigners in their language is against company policy. It could be considered "patronizing"...

I did not think up that rule.

knox 05.02.2010 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pookie
I spent one morning last week showing a Polish man around our town. As with most foreign men I've known, his English was better than most English people I know.

He's named his son Colin though... in order to fit in:o.


by better you mean gramatically correct because they actually have to think about it when learning (ok ill stop nerding up threads)

knox 05.02.2010 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pookie
I spent one morning last week showing a Polish man around our town. As with most foreign men I've known, his English was better than most English people I know.

He's named his son Colin though... in order to fit in:o.



double post.

knox 05.02.2010 08:44 PM

but in NY i'd go to shops and people would be like

which language do you wanna speak??????? we can provide many.

BUY BUY BUY

HaydenAsche 05.02.2010 08:50 PM

I speak Spanish very well, and I'm pretty conversational in both Swahili and Cambodian. Extremely helpful in my area of Minneapolis. Especially working with first-generation immigrants.

It certainly is necessary to be able to communicate in these modern times but businesses, wanting to sell their shit, have adjusted faster than those learning the language. It's also extremely easy to not speak English in big cities. Cultural groups all have their own area of town. Little Mexico, Frogtown(Hmong neighborhood), etc. I can not order food in Frogtown because there is no need for the businesses to have English-speakers in a 90% Hmong neighborhood.


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