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It pushes the same button as "I'm not sexist, ask my female friends, they say I am nice, I treat women very well, jut not the ones I don't know in person" IDK It's the button that triggers internal eye rolling. |
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now that just pushed my core puke button. thank you very much. |
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Yeah, it's one of those things that people do that are so outstandingly lame, that your brain sort of freezes up for a second, and you have a flinch of paralysis due to said lameness. |
Um, okay. Feel free to puke -- at least I don't carry hatred in my heart for others based upon opinions they formed that are none of my business. If you read further into my post, you'll see I'm friends with a girl who literally had her mom CHOPPED TO PIECES by a black man -- how can I really hold her racism against her? It's understandable -- that doesn't mean I agree, but people deal with trauma in different ways. I was molested and beaten by a woman, and I have been cheated on by every girl I've been with -- and I don't hate women (mainly because I'm smart enough to realize a few shitty women doesn't mean every woman is shit). But a lot of people who have went through the same shit definitely would -- most people are extremely simple. If I were going to hate everyone because I didn't agree with opinions they formed at some point in their years of existence... well, then, I would hate literally everyone, wouldn't I? I think racism is wrong -- I also think not minding your own business is wrong, too. I can't possibly change a person's mind if they've dealt with traumatic events. Why would I try?
Like I said though, the best thing to do is to just not get close to anyone. That's why I don't keep friends, only acquaintances. |
So, if her mom had been chopped to pieces by a white person would she try to make herself black? just wondering.
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Tollerating racism is endorsing it.
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I get what you're saying, but maybe the better question is: How would you react, either way, if your mom was MURDERED? I mean, who knows? If you've not dealt with that trauma, then how could you comment on it? That's why I'm trying not to... not to judge and to mind my own business on that shit... And she's not going around insulting black people or something -- she's just AFRAID of them now. Which is technically racism, I guess. But maybe it just brings back repressed memories.
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Okay, well, I'm taking a wild guess that if your mom got murdered, chopped up, put in a garbage bag, you're not going to walk away from it without something changing in you. [edit] I'm not endorsing it, I'm understanding her feelings... of fear. She's not "practicing" racism, she's not a fucking KKK member -- and she's 20, this happened when she was 15. I'm sure she'll eventually grow out of that stuff. But how am I supposed to act, am I supposed to rush her into getting over it? "Hey, I know your life was completely ENDED, basically, but here's how I think you should react instead of the way you decided to react." |
only an idiot would hate a "race" because it happens to be the same "race" as someone who did them or theirs griveous harm.
when a person steals from me I hate THIEVES, not whatever arbitrary skin pigmentation and facial features are attributed to their vague "race" |
Most serial killers are white males, but people do not go reacting and hating white males because of it. If they do it is becauise they already held racist views about white folk, before the killin happened.
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I didn't say it wouldn't fuck me up, I just said I couldn't understand it evolving into racism, as traumatic as that event was, a SINGLE event should not could shape a person's outlook of an ENTIRE race of people. In my own life, many traumatic events have happened. I didn't not blame the race, just the individual. But I have an immensely powerful sense of forgiveness and empathy, so I handle that kind of shit rather well. In your quest for sensitivity you have grossly mashed on ini feelings :( Quote:
Life is deep, don't ever for a second believe that people do well with trauma simply because they haven't had a traumatic life. |
I am empathetic, open minded, and generally peaceful. But most people are not. I agree that a single traumatic event shouldn't shape a person's outlook on life -- but there are so many factors that go beyond a single event. I live in a small town, I can't go down the street with multi colored hair without getting death stares. It's still a fairly close minded town, and still one where people know everything about everyone...
Having said that, there aren't too many people of different races here, all in all. So, some of the only interaction that girl has had with anyone of a different race was this incident. Maybe that has something to do with it. I'm just saying -- it may be "wrong" for me to, um, I guess, not try to change her mind regarding her attitude -- I'll accept that. But wouldn't it be, more wrong for me to tell her how she should react in the face of such an event? While I don't agree with her at all, I try to see every side of an argument. And I think she'll grow out of things, but she still has hatred in her heart, and no one to take it out on. She is not some kind of nazi fuckhead or something, just someone who is scared and full of hate. It's one of those things where, the few times she's talked about it, the best thing I can do in my mind is to just not say anything. |
And I would do anything to help her not continue to fester that hate -- but I think there's no words I can say that will help her grow out of something like that. People just get over it, in time... I would just rather not bring it up to her.
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fear of the different is a very strong emotional driver towards prejudice.
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I am going to get killed for this one but...
Rascism isn't going away anytime soon. I don't support racism in ideal terms (that is I believe everyone to be created equal) but I just don't see the practical world forgetting their prejudices anytime soon. Many people act racist just because they don't want their own to mix with a certain group. I call that preventive. Would I want my daughter or son marrying into just any group? No. Many races simply want their own to continue and marry their own ethnic group. And it is possible to not like an ethnic groups values as opposed to the whole group. There are some peoples values who I don't agree with. Like a Chinese industrialist who doesn't have any sense of the environmental damages he causes through his business. I reserve the right to dislike him! Pox on you Wang Chung! |
BTW, some people believe that political correctness is a form of fascism. Thought control.
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Can't we all just get along?
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why not? what are you scared of for your daughter, that she might expand her own cultural horizons beyond your own expectations of her? and further, "ethnic groups values" that is a cover for racism, which is to prejudge an individual based upon stereotypes and misconceptions. People do not AUTOMATICALLY follow the perceived socio-cultural patterns of their 'race' so how could anyone judge anyone by these markers? Who the caps fit, let them wear it. Judge a person ENTIRELY by their own actions, and even then you should still avoid judgment, it blocks opportunities for growth. |
It depends on several different factors. I usually ignore it.
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I think you are forgetting that we're not talking about this specific case. To be honest I didn't even read your whole post because I was so shocked by the first paragraph. We're not talking about your friend, we're talking about you and the way you seem to be saying that you think tollerating racism is being open minded" and "empathetic". In general. |
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1- EH? 2- Disliking industries that pollute the environment has nothing to do with disliking chinese people. If that was the logic, everyone would hate americans in general. I dislike cunts, no matter where they're from. |
Me being "open minded" and "empathetic" was in reply to SuchFriends's later post -- you know, like 10 posts after the post you "replied" to. But, um, lemme simplify it for you: I try to ignore, and mind my own business, and if someone IS racist, then it's probably not someone I want to hang out with, but in that specific case which I devoted all my posting time to that you ignored -- well, I can understand how something traumatic would cause someone to act irrational. Simple.
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Not every racist is a klan member. In fact, most aren't even necessarily open about their racism in public. They save it for private, harmless moments with their friends, it isn't necessarily something that they think about on a daily basis.
A person can be outstanding in many other ways, to the point that their racism is completely overshadowed by how overly awesome they are. To ignore their positive qualities based on their hatred for something that doesn't directly involve you is sorta... bigotist. |
This reminds me of the feminist argument atsonicpark had with luxinterior... so all we need now is atsonicpark to argue about sexuality with ANOTHER female member and we should have all the bases covered! Haha!
I could see WHY your girlfriend thinks that way but personally I still don't think it's right. Something bad someone from a certain race has done does not speak for a whole ethnic group. It's definitely a grey area. |
No, Knox isn't worth arguing with, she doesn't even read whole posts.
But anyway. My girlfriend?! My girl .......... friend. As I said, if someone chops up my mom and puts her in a garbage bag, who knows how I'd react? It probably wouldn't make me a racist, but some things can make good people turn bad. Can't really comment on it till it happens to me -- I mean, it's easy to be politically correct when everything is flowers and rainbows -- but my life has been absolutely TERRIBLE, and I'm still positive and don't carry hatred in my heart. But I don't expect everyone else to be the same way... |
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Besides my idea of an awesome people wouldn't be so close-minded with these matters but rather embrace different cultures. |
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so what are you trying to say? if someone is "awesome" i'm suppose to tollerate them being racist? no racist person can be "awesome", that just cancels the whole thing out. doesn't directly involve me? - so i'm only supposed to care about racism if i'm a victim of it? i'm supposed to shut up and let them be their racism-but-awesome selves without even mentioning how disgusting it is? this is why the world is a rotting bumhole. |
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Sanctimoniously preaching against racism just encourages it. |
^^^ unfortunately, I agree. people being people, they never respond well to criticism. which I why I mentioned earlier that you would lose a lot of friends if you based it soley on racist remarks. you would also not be doing "the cause" anything, because they would just assume that because of yr reaction, they are right. if these people are truly yr friends, try leading by example.
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I dislike you a little bit for saying this. not enough to neg rep you, as that would imply that I care too much, but it certainly puts you in a negative light. and by negative light, I do not mean, black light, as that would be racist. |
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I don't know. I read that. Like Rob said most violent crimes are commited by white males. And I don't see that causing people to hate all white males. So there's something way deeper there. |
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Yeah, a bit like sex education makes children wanna fuck right. |
Too much sex education would encourage children to do it.. same with drug education. I do think that shoving your view down someone's throat will of course make them revolt against it.. but people that are so openly racist are shoving THEIR view down MY throat.
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The UK has the worst underage sex rates in Europe according to the World Health Organisation. So sex education does make kids wanna fuck. |
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then you look at them with a shameful eye. practice in the mirror. shame works much better than preaching....unless yr a catholic, and then it's all the same (lulz). |
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racism is often disgusting, but you take it to a new level. kudos. |
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