Well, keep in mind they just veto the whole anti gay marriage thing, so mayvbe it might not go through this time, but pot legalization is in the future, trust me.

Now of course tyou know our oversized backwater will be among the last to legalize, since we don't even let under 21's INTO bars.

Sorry about the typing...4 shots of cvodka and all...

it's extremely difficult to find them at good prices,peoples income is limited. it's great to have choices but the fact that an alternative exists doesn't change the damage the major companies do to the environment, the countries cursed with the right growing climate, or the health of the people who buy it

I agree...but I also can see how it may be a bit difficult/expensive to keep everything organic when so many people must be fed. Shit get's expensive for everyone, including the farmers who must make a living too + are often treated like total shit anyways. It's a stressful job most would have no clue how to go about if most of them suddenly vanished.

If they sold weed in the supermarket, which department would they sell it in? Fruit and veg?

They'd probably sell it near the front, locked away in a glass case with the tobacco product and demand to see some ID before selling it....just like it should be done.

Newsflash: there are shit-tons of people stoned in public already. I would never go out amongst the people who, like you, have a stick up their arse all the time without being stoned. FUCK, that would suck.

It can't be veto'd. It's gone to the legislative branch now. The executive branch (governors, presidents) veto. Prop 8 has been declared by a California judge as unconstitutional (and I mean California's constitution here) and therefor setting a precedent for gay marriage in California.

It will continually be appealed and sent through the courts until it makes it to the US Supreme Court. And I really think they're going to say that it's unconstitutional to ban gay marriage and set a precedent for gay marriage for the US.

Then I can congratulate my gay friends.

You know why Bush supporters wanted to get a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage? Because they know that a gay marriage ban is unconstitutional and the only way to make it so is insert it into the fucking Constitution.

The only other thing I can see is that the Supreme Court could say that the legislation of marriage is a state right, then in that case the legality of a gay marriage ban is up to California's courts, and then California would have gay marriage while other states would not.

All because they are lying about knowing that there is a god. Religion is totally immoral in my book.

You know if you met me you'd probably actually like me. I'm a pretty laid back guy, I'm not this stiff collared puritan like your imagining me.

What bugs me is people who go to national parks to get wasted and high and then they litter. You see a beautiful waterfall and down among the rocks there's beer cans, broken beer bottles, roach clips, burger king cups, etc.

Or just people who are openly loud and obnoxious in public. If you're laid back and you clean up after yourself, then I don't care what you do.

All I can say is I love to smoke pot but I would never litter in a national park.

all of yr pointless arguing over weed terminology will be moot when the federal government is knocking on yr door.

don't count on legal weed any time soon.

For smoking a joint? Not holding my breath (except when, you know).

You're late. The terminology arguement ended over a page ago. We're talking about gay marriage and public baked-ness now.

Yeah, I really don't think it's going to happen so soon.

Public baked-ness? Happens all the time in my neighborhood. Uh, at least when I'm around.

I do have a great penchant for smokin' and bike ridin'. Been doing these fantastic rail trails in western NJ. Nearly flat so you can go pretty darn fast. Really amazing scenery.

from huffington post

According to a recently filed campaign finance report, the campaign to defeat a marijuana legalization initiative in California is receiving substantial funding from the alcohol industry. Now marijuana advocates are fighting back, calling on the opposition campaign to explain why it is working with Big Alcohol to keep marijuana illegal.
On September 7th, the California Beer and Beverage Distributors contributed $10,000 to the No on Prop. 19 campaign, which calls itself "Public Safety First." Proposition 19 would establish a legally regulated marijuana market in which marijuana is controlled and taxed in a fashion similar to alcohol.
It's clear why the alcohol industry is in this fight -- to protect its turf and keep Californians drinking. This is the same California Beer and Beverage Distributors gave $100,000 to oppose Proposition 5, the Nonviolent Offender Rehabilitation Act (NORA), which would have reduced marijuana possession from a misdemeanor to an infraction. With marijuana being the second most popular recreational substance (despite its prohibition), the booze industry must recognize the threat legal marijuana poses to its bottom line. Thus, it has a vast financial interest in keeping marijuana illegal and steering Californians away from using it.
But why does the No on Prop. 19 campaign share Big Alcohol's goal of an alcohol-only society? It seems odd that a group that purports to be committed to enhancing public safety wants to ensure Californians can only drink and cannot use marijuana as a safer recreational alternative.
After all, every objective study on marijuana has concluded that it is far safer than alcohol to the user and society. According to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, alcohol use alone contributes to more than 35,000 deaths each year -- including several hundred from overdoses -- whereas marijuana use does not contribute to any deaths and has never resulted in a fatal overdose in history. Also, whereas alcohol is a major contributing factor in domestic violence, sexual assaults, fights, and other violent crimes, marijuana has never been found to contribute to such problems.

it only takes a short walk down the beach to see that selling weed in Cali is already "big business".

the line between legallity and criminal activity has been blurred sufficiently to allow both the hustlers and the cops to keep making money off of it.

and you think that will change??

ha.

Of course things are going to change. If we are open enough to a elect a black president for the first time legalizing marijuana is growing closer and closer. Truth has a way of rising to the surface. It will be no different with marijuana.

The ironic part is the majority of people who oppose this bill are religious folks who believe that God create marijuana in the first place. FUCKING RETARDS!

I don't imagine this will go through anytime soon, but the very fact that politicians are actually even considering legalizing pot is a sign of progress. I truly believe anyone under 70 or not reckless/suicidal will see legalization in their lifetime.

the ironic part is that the majority of people who oppose this bill are Californians who are already invested in growing, harvesting and selling weed under the current grey-market guidelines.

ask someone on the clipping and pruning "circuit" what they think of this bill.

Wow, a whole 0.1% of Californian citizens. Let's not.

Why not? It is about a 50/50 shot right now. There is a strong chance it will pass.

don't get me wrong, I'd love to see this pass, but unfortunately, I fear that most proponents of this bill, such as yrself, rely too heavily on arbitrary (and entirely fantastical) numbers and percentages.

I believe the term most apt is "stoner logic".

I don't leave the house unless I get stoned first.

you're lucky you're not in iran

Thank god I'm not in iran.

yeah. don't google "iran stoning". ayayay...

The stats from recent polls show it at about 50/50. That is the best we have to go on right now (not counting the recent almost 50/50 vote on homosexual marriage).
http://elections.firedoglake.com/201...-holds-steady/

I for one believe it's going to pass. It's time has come. People have been fighting for at least 40 years to make it legal. As a parent of children in their 20's I'd rather see them smoking weed than drinking. So I am 57 so you have a voting block of 18 - 60 roughly where I believe the majority are for it.
Folks are sick of seeing their kids get arrested for it. When is the last time you've seen anybody in the paper busted for multiple pounds? Doesn't happen. Folks in this age group know who's making the money off it so why not take it away from them. Lot of folks in that group would love to keep their taxes down by having the tax base increased with the money made off of taxing grass. It's going to pass.

every rasta I ever knew rolled their weed with cocaine.

never knew that many

2009 Marijuana caused deaths: 0
2009 automobile caused deaths: 33,808

The govt subsidized the auto industry. Blame it on Obama.

i'm sure a good chunk of those 33,808 car crashes involved stoned drivers

your numbers are wrong

Only if they're drinking with the weed or they are doing heavier drugs like
Opiates, Downers or Trancs....Straight weed accidents that are fatal wouldn't even amount to 500 I bet.

I drive just fine stoned. And I'm on a motorcycle. :D

no way man. Most drunks do not smoke weed unless it is at parties!

I drive better when stoned. I start to hallucinate when I am completely sober. I hear shit too.

At my old job, I won Employee of the Month twice. I was smoking on the job during those projects.

http://blog.norml.org/2010/09/30/pro...fornia-voters/

More than half of Californians now say that they will vote ‘yes’ this November on Proposition 19, which would legalize the private adult use and cultivation of limited amounts of cannabis, and allow local governments the option of regulating its commercial production and retail distribution.

like all the legalization balot measures of the past few years such as in Nevada or Alaska, prop 19 is absurdly written and will not and should not pass. It is not specific enough to be taken seriously by any legislature or government, and will not pass. BUT at the least it has accelerated the mainstream debate about cannabis, and socially upwards of half of californians including several prominent politicians and academics and newspaper editors and political commentators have all been rather receptive and positive to this debate. if we can't have legalization, at the least we can end the social stigmatization that is much worse than the existing laws in california..
and the proof? While Gov Arnold mashed down Prop 19, he did just sign an hour ago a new law which further decriminalizes possession of under an ounce from a technical misdemeonor to a full infraction like a parking ticket.. it has functioned as one for years, but you had to have a M criminal record for two years as a punishment which fucked up employment. Now you don't even have to report your cannabis arrests because they are like parking tickets and NEVER go on your record, statewide.

The true victories for cannabis users and consumers is in the productive decriminalization movement..

People are far more receptive to such..

I can only drive stoned.....ok that's a lie. but I do feel better....but I"m also a pro at driving. Drove to New York from Chicago stoned!