what do you mean knox? did you think we were talking to you? we understood that what you were saying was addressed to hevusa. are you mistaking what we said after that as being addressed to you, because it wasn't.

knox are you some sort of macumba priest....if yes can do some thing that will make spirits interfere with hevusa's internet connection?

I've never met anyone that was truly "stable". If it were possible, people likely wouldn't look for stability in anything other than themselves. Feeling too stable, I think, is a dangerous place to be in. Things change...+ whatever is causing stability for the individual is always subject to vanish. People die, ideas change, bands break up, lovers cheat, houses burn, friends lie, accidents happen.

I think Hevusa is one of those that looks for stability in himself. A better alternative (I think...), but still unsafe. Possibly, he feels like he lives in a world where he is attacked by the beliefs of others...There is a certain minority out there that feels this way (christians love to act as if they are some sort of minority and constantly attacked, but really...it's the other way around and there's no way around it. I mention being a Christian in the grocery store no one cares, or either they are glad to hear it...mention, in a public space, that you are an atheist and see the kinda shit people will say or all the weird looks you will get). Maybe he feels a need to attack back.

I also think Hevusa would be the first to admit to not being stable + I can appreciate that. maybe I'm wrong, it's late for me and I'm 90mph. Maybe he finds some sense of stability in constantly challenging (even if sometimes in a negative manner) the things other people say. I think he enjoys debate and causing ruckus. The world needs this, esp. in environments such as an internet forum where all one has to do (if uncomfortable) is navigate to another page.

I was like that, once. I still carry that sort of idealism. I just realize most people are total idiots and seldom take time to look at a bigger picture. People like Hevusa, at the very least, might make some (even if via being angered/annoyed) consider something else.

We are told God exists from day one (really, we are...even if not by our parents). We are scolded if expressing disbelief. We are called sinners for having harmless fun. We are told we'll spend an eternity in hell for not believing ("being good doesn't get ya into heaven...so fucking sickening). We are fed often times total bullshit We are forced to hear it in our schools, on our streets, in our politics...everywhere...and as soon as someone challenges it, they are more often than not considered being ignorant, if not an asshole.

"How can you not believe in God?...we had to come from somewhere"...a statement made by people who openly (claim to...) believe in something that came from absolutely no where. A bit of a major contradiction, I do think. The "alpha and omega". Of course,....I agree that there is an alpha + omega (at least as far as our minds are able to comprehend...there WILL be an end to us, for damned sure, + there certainly was a beginning)....but I highly doubt its in any way like any god I've ever heard about anywhere. I can't even imagine it being anything that is aware of me as an individual or has time to consider subjects such as "right + wrong", and more than likely it's not even aware of itself, at least in the way we interpret awareness.

If the kid wants to fight back, more power to him.

"Why do the birds sing? I don't know they just fucking do" - WSD


only trouble is, gee whizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....

^ Or he was just wrong...*










* This is coming from an atheistic satanist.

Define "wrong"?

A true atheist understands the benefits of being a religious person and religion as such. And religion has major points in its favour. To dismiss all of it with spite and cynicism is to miss the point of being alive entirely. Juvenile antagonism can't hold it down for more than a few aggressive insults.

I can understand what you're getting at for the most part, even if I do not entirely agree (especially with that first sentence).

I could say, "A true atheist understands the benefits of juvenile antagonism"...and really, it would mean about the same thing. Nothing.

All a true atheist needs to believe, in order to truly be an atheist, is that God does not exist. Of course, the smart ones come to this conclusion partially as a result of actually studying other religions...but it in no way/shape/form means that they nec. have to see benefits in it.

Do I? If religion keeps one from stealing my guitar or raping my girlfriend, more power to 'em. I just don't think religion is EVER necessary...sometimes I think man gives himself too much credit, other times I think he doesn't give himself enough. People get themselves through situations, God does not even if many feel the need to give him credit.

Of course, I could go into that whole "well technically atheism is a form of religion" debate (and really it is...because as I've said before, "religion" only means "belief")...but I'll save that one as I've already expressed my views on it.

Well, yeah. My mum is a true believer. I'm not. We get on famously.

Mine is, too. I no doubt love her more than any other being on this earth.

there was a thread in which he proved he cannot really understand (or accept) the definition of agnosticism.

no its against macumba rules.

Someone who says "I think someone probably created us." And "though I identify myself as an agnostic" in the same fucking post is clueless.

It is offensive to the concept of agnosticism. ASP is NOT an agnostic.

ASP pulled "agnostic theist/atheist" out of his ass AFTER the fact otherwise he would have called himself an "agnostic theist" in the first place.

^This

I seek truth

is this projection? because, seriously.

i'm guessing you need more than three word sentences to call something provocation and/or debate?? but i'm agnostic about it, not sure.

but ASP probably knows.

you're point has been made. its still completely incoherent, and you are still trolling for the sake of trolling, wasting everyones time.

just how long you want to drag this out i dont know.

im going to politely ask you to stop, altho i know as a troll the only way you can back out of this is with more petulant whining and bitching. prove us all wrong, your point has been made. there is no more to say. the end.

i would also suggest you take the time to carefully scrutinise all the posts over the past few pages and maybe then you will work out why you are being completely and incomprehensibly inappropriate and why everyone so far who has actually read everything is finding something out of line in your behaviour.

You didn't even know -- apparently -- what agnostic theism was/is, since you said there's only one definition OF agnosticism to begin with! You've been proven completely wrong by EVERYONE who has replied to you, no one agrees with you in any way, and you have been politely asked to "stop" a few times now, and you simply won't.

Eh, you know what? I am just going to put you on ignore -- the first time I've put ANYONE on an ignore list in the 9 years I've been on this board. Usually, trolls get reported enough times that they get banned, or they just run out of steam, I commend your energy for never stopping in the face of everyone calling you out for being a moron, but I'm not going to feed you anymore. I realize that you probably really aren't that stupid, since there's no possible way ANYONE could be that stupid -- right? It's all a gimmick, all just trying to be as annoying as possible, and shitting all over what could be interesting threads, ha ha ha, we get it, pretty funny stuff, unfortunately I don't really have time for it right now in this point in my life, so "This message is hidden because hevusa is on your ignore list." looks like a more worthwhile contribution to this thread than anything you could ever post for real.

exactly.

I do believe Jimi Hendrix explained all this drama when he said, "Its because they're fucking not in love man..that's the problem sometimes."

To many people turn to the pride and security of supposed "logic/reason" but anyone with any sense in their head has come to understand that love trumps any kind of reason, is by its very nature illogical, and yet is the only thing worth living for, but you explained it best in saying




"What is Truth?"

[quote=SuchFriendsAreDangerous]exactly.

I do believe Jimi Hendrix explained all this drama when he said, "Its because they're fucking not in love man..that's the problem sometimes."
/quote]



I've never read that particular quote (while I have certainly read enough on Hendrix to have an idea as to what he was attempting to get at)...but hopefully he wasn't saying "they're" as to describe what other people were doing. Hendrix was notorious for cheating on all his girlfriends and doing a lot of random "fucking". He hospitalized (at least...) two girlfriends as a result of getting drunk/jealous/violent. Lust, not love. Most people are guilty, and 98% of us are the "theys" he speaks of (including himself, if that's all there is to base that particular quote on). How does it (love) have anything at all to do with god or spirituality?

It CAN POSSIBLY just be an emotion felt, a byproduct of evolution, at least somewhat mandatory to a healthy mindset and human survival (we fall in love, we fuck, we procreate). Love has caused problems.

Love has caused people to go crazy and do less than logical things....

"you're not really in love, you just think you are"...ever heard that one? I'm sure you have.

Or better yet, ever thought you yrself were in love....but ended up changing yr mind about it (for whatever given raeson) later?

On thats specific point, I have to disagree. The British misuse of the R thread was great.

haha maybe. I was just drunk and pissed at the trolldumb.

i hope that wasn't addressed at me.

EDIT: I'd delete this but I don't wanna lose the rep.

Life, man, it's a killer.

@ Demonrail...it was addressed at a response I deleted, and I'm pleased to know it struck a nerve because he's edited his initial response already 3 times in less than ten minutes.

Oh well, good job having enough sense to delete it there.

Yeah, I edited this one too, I'm in a bad mood, please leave me alone right now.

I copied it...

like for me to repost it? I'm not one of those that says things like "it's just the internet"...

If I pissed ya off, then sorry. But shit man, don't act as if you are some sort of saint Adam. you def. have been guilty for attacking me (at times when i wasn't even trying to be mean....). Difference between me and you, though (so it seems...) is that I truly don't give a fuck.

They'd never let me live it down? because ya know, there's all of three people here I find even remotely interesting...even if, again, I have no personal issues w/ anyone here.

No, don't repost it, it was stupid, you attacked me for, like, working, and being good to people, and attempting to make something of myself in life, who siad I was a saint? I hate myself, and it probably -- subconsciously -- has to do with me being sexually and physically abused, and have had death threats, and no one has ever helped me in any way to try to get through this stuff, I have never been proud of anything I've ever done except my latest film and my latest album, otherwise I am the most self-depreciative person you'll ever meet. I don't even like posting this stuff, I'm not trying to do it to get sympathy, just to illustrate where I'm coming from. My family isn't proud of me, no one has ever been good to me in my entire life, no one has ever appreciated me, and now that I'm dying, I don't have anyone there for me either. My mom just overdoses on pills every night, my girlfriend is just ignoring it, and my best friend is avoiding me. That's how they're dealing with it. What I really need is someone -- in real life -- to listen. I don't need to be attacked on the internet for nothing. As for "attacking" you, yeah, I make fun of people for posting silly shit, everyone on this board does, it doesn't mean anything. Just like you saying above you like some idiotic troll -- I mean, I get it, ironic liking of things/people (there's probably a westernquinox fan clube somewhere), but please don't compare him to me, he exists only to try and upset people, with one sentence fragments, he's not even real!

I'm not mad, I just think your original post was a ltitle insensitve, and irrelevant; I don't know what in the world you'd take issue with as far as my reponse to DISCODILDO is concerned, I have a good job at a place I hate and I have never bitched about it because I try not to btich about things I can control. I get enough flack in real life -- "I CAN'T BELIEV EYOU WORKT HERE" from a bunch of lazy shitheads who are in debt out their ears, I've worked my fucking ass off for years and years and years, for pretty much NOTHING now that I won't get to do anything with it as my health deteoriates, so I'm giving the money to charity, my girlfriend, using it for drugs, and sending it to bands and folmmakers I admire so someone else can be happy with it.

We're both being stupid here. Sorry.

I don't even know what's going on but i'm sure you used that "argument" a couple of times.

You're right, I have used that argument. I've used it because for the most part it IS ACTUALLY HOW I FEEL.

And @ Adam...you know, and I know, my post wasn't an attack on you because work or are generous. While I do think most would interpret it as being a major low-blow on my end, I don't think anyone would interpret as being an attack on you for something so silly as having a job.

Also, I truly hope that you are not dying man. My childhood was no piece of cake and I too still suffer because of it. Not trying to compare my situation to yrs, as I know everyone deals with things differently and the sorts of "abuse" we both dealt with were likely very different (sans the physical stuff). Don't let them win, etc. Shit get's better.

I'm yet to understand why some people think that everything is ok because "internet is not the real life". I wonder if back in the day people insulted each other over the phone and said "it's just the phone, it's not real life". I bet someone tried?

I'm not sure what your point was, honestly, you were just talking about how you like some troll because he doesn't post the stuff I post, it came off as you basically saying you have a problem with me, even though the things you cited were from recent posts, like me offering (hopefully) helpful advice to discodildo, about the benefits of working at a job for years and how it could be beneficial to him a swell, maybe. I tihnk you were clearly just messing around and trying to have fun at my expense but it rubbed me the wrong way at the time, but I don't care now.

a parallel universe.

there has been some really inappropriate stuff in this thread and there has been some childishness and it has been addressed AT adam rather than coming from him. considering the circumstances he has been a lot more patient than another person in his place might be. i highly suspect that the person in particular didnt actually read what asp was saying otherwise i cannot imagine they would have said what they did.

sway - you jumped in here and i dont think you read the whole of the thread. one thing i do know about you is that you are a sensitive guy and i know that you are capable of realising when its best just to leave it and not say anything even if you do have some slight gripe. i dont think you have any grounds for that, but it doesnt matter. its not a pissing contest. i think if you had read the rest of the thread and judged the mood a little better because of it you might not have jumped in when you did. its fine now.

im not trying to like keep the lid on the kettle here, im just suggesting people be cognizant of the fact that there was some really out of line and time wasting crap in this thread and its just unnecessary stress. i dont want to see anymore trolling getting in the way when some of us are trying to talk about more important things.

Excellent post, n'ik, "can't we all just get along?"

It's not an issue of the internet not being real life...sure, real people are involved. It's just so much easier for anyone to paint a picture of themselves as they want to be perceived as online than in "real life". I view it as a tool for self education, yes, but it's still no doubt a large playground. People bullshit, come here to act out personal aggression, relieve stress/etc. I highly doubt many of the "assholes" on the internet act the same way in real life. Matter of fact, i know they don't.

:)

And @ Adam...I do mean it when I say I'm sorry. I really should have left these sort of thoughts to myself.

It's no problem, I'm sorry too.. been in a really bad mood lately, and I usually am not, at all. I find myself very disillusioned with and distanced from the people I love in my life. It's not a good feeling.. to be alone. Oh well. I will pour it into my art, I guess.

Whee.

I do. I'm the same exact asshole.
In fact, I refuse the term IRL.

aww, that was such a sweet rep knox.