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ann ashtray 12.01.2010 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Derek
quit generalising.


That's not a generalization.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 12.01.2010 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by gast30
but what can he say to the lil homiez?

first who wants to be called homies
it's sort of a sociophatic you and i are in the same team
even if you think in your mind 'get lost whit that crap'

and lowering yourself to lil is a riduculous thing
the childeren, the childeren
what about the childeren?

start looking at your own life

the only message for young and old is
we are in the future


don't disrespect peoples' culture because you think you may be more cultured with your pseudo-poetic posts here, and I see the lil homiez have never run up on you (probably not sway either ;) ) in front of the corner store and repped they district on you before.. when that day comes you just may be a bit more courteous to their perspective, lest they point the strap and you pose and freeze and suddenly find Jesus.

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Originally Posted by ann ashtray
Major misunderstanding...

indeed, and this is nothing personal, I am attacking your ideas, not you, I rather like you, but your ideas are a farce. You shoulda quit while you were ahead, because..
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You say no one in America works harder than the poor....I would say this is true, but mostly applies to the poor that have worked their asses off to get wherever it is they are wanting to go. In America, it is easy to be poor. The majority of our poor do not go without food or shelter or utilities...because as you are well aware, there are services in place to take care of these people. Services I pay for...services, in many cases, which are taken advantage of. Services that pay more money per kid for the sometimes non-working. "Well, how do you expect a single parent with 6 children to work?"...I don't, I expect them to not have so many fucking kids. In a perfect world, MY money wouldn't go to aid these people. I don't mind it going toward the single mother of two whose husband ran out on her and she's doing the best she can working at a grocery store...that, I don't mind. I don't mind it going toward the physically disabled.

I'm not about free shit, sorry. I don't see how it could, in all actuality, be free to begin with. There's no such thing as a free lunch...

And again, I think most 18-30 year olds much prefer partying than doing their homework....when they have to pay for it out of their own pockets, I think it ends up being more appreciated. That's just my take, + if this qualifies me as an idiot or an asshole...I'm sorry.




your foot is steadily attracted to your mouth and its getting rather dangerous for ya ;)

Derek 12.01.2010 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ann ashtray
That's not a generalization.

yes it is.

ann ashtray 12.01.2010 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Derek
yes it is.


Oh yeah, I just realized the vast majority of younger people are more interested in work than fun.

Sorry.

haha

Glice 12.01.2010 06:07 PM

You don't refute accusations of generalisations by making a generalisation in the other direction.

"All black people are stupid"

That's a generalisation

"Ok, all black people are really clever"

facepalm.jpg

Derek 12.01.2010 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ann ashtray
Oh yeah, I just realized the vast majority of younger people are more interested in work than fun.

Sorry.

haha

you are making an assumption about a specific group of people hence it is a generalisation.

i know people my age and older who are very very hard workers academically and i find it insulting that you would generalise about this when you have no fucking clue. if someone puts 'fun' ahead of academics then they probably wouldn't even qualify for university anyway. i'm not saying all work and no play is what young people should act out but you have the completely wrong idea.

Glice 12.01.2010 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Derek
you are making an assumption about a specific group of people hence it is a generalisation.

i know people my age and older who are very very hard workers academically and i find it insulting that you would generalise about this when you have no fucking clue. if someone puts 'fun' ahead of academics then they probably wouldn't even qualify for university anyway. i'm not saying all work and no play is what young people should act out but you have the completely wrong idea.


In fairness, you young people do dress terribly and listen to ghastly music. Why don't you send a 'tweet' to all young people to stop being annoying, eh? Oh, and tell them to get a fucking haircut, they all look like malnourished rapists.

Edit: And tell the fit ones that aren't spotty I'm single. Ta.

ann ashtray 12.01.2010 06:14 PM

There's a big difference between "vast majority" and "all".

I'm sorry, just most younger people I've ever met are far more interested in in drinking, music, partying, cars, girls/boys whatever than say....homework. If this was not the case, this thread would have went into a totally different direction a long time ago.

Derek 12.01.2010 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Glice
In fairness, you young people lot do dress terribly and listen to ghastly music. Why don't you send a 'tweet' to all young people to stop being annoying, eh? Oh, and tell them to get a fucking haircut, they all look like malnourished rapists.

I assure you I have a suave style, have great music taste and understand why it's named TWITter.

I have reason to believe you used to sport the 'male ponytail' look though, so your point about hair is null.

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Originally Posted by ann ashtray
In fairness, you young people lot do dress terribly and listen to ghastly music. Why don't you send a 'tweet' to all young people to stop being annoying, eh? Oh, and tell them to get a fucking haircut, they all look like malnourished rapists.

Does this mean suburban Scotland is more academic than the durty South? One up, you cuntz.

Glice 12.01.2010 06:17 PM

Ok, put it another way (as you seem to have rescinded on the option of going 'oh, right, I get you, sorry about that') - if your article was a wikipedia article, someone would put 'weasel words' above 'vast majority'. Vast majority is a generalisation, especially as it's unqualifiable; 'in my experience, many students...' is fine.

Glice 12.01.2010 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Derek
I assure you I have a suave style, have great music taste and understand why it's named TWITter.

I have reason to believe you used to sport the 'male ponytail' look though, so your point about hair is null.

Does this mean suburban Scotland is more academic than the durty South? One up, you cuntz.


Well, obviously you were still struggling with nappy training for the VERY LONG TIME that ponytails were a shortcut to more fanny than a wholesale butcher's worth of fanny.

Derek 12.01.2010 06:21 PM

I'm just annoyed because I've been working 6 hours straight on homework (which has been since I've came home from school) and am now going to continue on some more work. So... swa(y)'s bullshit came at an inappropiate time.

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Originally Posted by Glice
Well, obviously you were still struggling with nappy training for the VERY LONG TIME that ponytails were a shortcut to more fanny than a wholesale butcher's worth of fanny.

Sorry I didn't know having traits of an anime fanatic was a gateway to lavish gurrrl-o-rama. Did you have a pork belly and ironic internet quote t-shirt also?

ann ashtray 12.01.2010 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Derek
you are making an assumption about a specific group of people hence it is a generalisation.

i know people my age and older who are very very hard workers academically and i find it insulting that you would generalise about this when you have no fucking clue. if someone puts 'fun' ahead of academics then they probably wouldn't even qualify for university anyway. i'm not saying all work and no play is what young people should act out but you have the completely wrong idea.


I'm not making an assumption about a specific group of people, I'm stating a fact that applies to most people, period.

"Most young people prefer fun to hard work".

I find it insulting that anyone would be ignorant enough to even attempt disputing that.

You perhaps have the right idea as to how things should be, but that isn't nec. the way they are. I forget how many people flunk out of universities due to excessive partying. Lord knows this never happens.

Glice 12.01.2010 06:26 PM

The statement assumes that fun and hard work are mutually exclusive categories.

The statement assumes a single hegemonous state of fun. Some people consider skewering their testicles to be fun. Some don't.

The statement assumes a bifurcation between 'fun' and 'hard work' - that is, you can't have fun for a bit and then do some hard work.

It is not a fact, it is an assertion; Derek is affirming that that assertion is iffy. For my part, I'm waiting for a CD to burn, and then I might have a whiskey then continue giggling to myself.

Derek 12.01.2010 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Glice
The statement assumes that fun and hard work are mutually exclusive categories.

The statement assumes a single hegemonous state of fun. Some people consider skewering their testicles to be fun. Some don't.

The statement assumes a bifurcation between 'fun' and 'hard work' - that is, you can't have fun for a bit and then do some hard work.

It is not a fact, it is an assertion; Derek is affirming that that assertion is iffy. For my part, I'm waiting for a CD to burn, and then I might have a whiskey then continue giggling to myself.

sway, just pretend I wrote this post and there you have my rebuttal.

ann ashtray 12.01.2010 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Glice
The statement assumes that fun and hard work are mutually exclusive categories.

The statement assumes a single hegemonous state of fun. Some people consider skewering their testicles to be fun. Some don't.

The statement assumes a bifurcation between 'fun' and 'hard work' - that is, you can't have fun for a bit and then do some hard work.

It is not a fact, it is an assertion; Derek is affirming that that assertion is iffy. For my part, I'm waiting for a CD to burn, and then I might have a whiskey then continue giggling to myself.


No, Derek is attempting to affirm that my assertion holds absolutely no water....which is way off target.

ann ashtray 12.01.2010 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Derek
sway, just pretend I wrote this post and there you have my rebuttal.


Smart.

Glice 12.01.2010 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Derek

Sorry I didn't know having traits of an anime fanatic was a gateway to lavish gurrrl-o-rama. Did you have a pork belly and ironic internet quote t-shirt also?

The traits of an anime fanatic are that they become an anime fanatic because they don't have fanny coming out of their arseholes; as such, I do not meet your criteria. I do want this on a t-shirt though:
 


Also, in my day we didn't give lip to our superiors. Our elders, certainly, but never our superiors. Playground rules, innit?

Derek 12.01.2010 06:31 PM

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No, Derek is affirming that my assertion holds absolutely no water....which is way off target.
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i'm not saying all work and no play is what young people should act out but you have the completely wrong idea.
I wasn't denying that students like to party. But your argument completely leans on one side when what you are arguing is not black or white.

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Originally Posted by Glice
Also, in my day we didn't give lip to our superiors. Our elders, certainly, but never our superiors. Playground rules, innit?

Sorry sir, I will repent for my sins. Just don't take my lunch money. :(

hevusa 12.01.2010 06:31 PM

wow...
Derek's and Glice's asshole must be so tight they hit a high C when they fart.

ann ashtray 12.01.2010 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Derek
I wasn't denying that students like to party.


And I wasn't stating that no young person understands the benefits of (and partakes in....) hard work.

Glice 12.01.2010 06:35 PM

 

Derek 12.01.2010 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ann ashtray
And I wasn't stating that no young person understands the benefits of (and partakes in....) hard work.

No, but you were leaning that way with assumptions and generalisations. This argument is getting old, I want some cheese and crackers now.

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Originally Posted by hevusa
wow...
Derek's and Glice's asshole must be so tight they hit a high C when they fart.

I'm not really offended considering this is coming from someone who complained about a free preview of the new Sonic Youth album because it was 128kbps.

ploesj 12.01.2010 06:41 PM

sway,

of course i prefer 'fun' over 'homework'. and so do most of my fellow students. this is NORMAL. or do you prefer your job over whatever you do for fun?

but, just like you have the responsibility to go to your job every day, most students are responsible enough to realize that this homework is a necessity to get where they want. we study because we know we'll pass our exams. you work because it earns you money and they won't fire you if you do your job well. we get through the boring assignments because the next one will be more challenging and interesting. you go back to work after a shitty day because it won't always be like that.

it's basically the same thing: we work hard to get qualified so we can do the job we want to do (i want to be able to show the people who want to hire me a degree that states how i have earned a few necessary skills) and you work hard to pay your bills every month.

in my opinion there's nothing wrong with welfare or scholarships. of course people will abuse the system, because that's what people do. but for every lasy bum who just tries to get as much as he wants there is some guy who just tries to do better in life than his parents did before him.

ann ashtray 12.02.2010 08:08 AM

Well, my remarks were not intended to be a reflection of what I do myself...just an observation as to what I see in most others. I chose to have fun as opposed to furthering my education (at least in the way of college, I do enjoy research on some topics in my free time). Rare? Not at all.To date it hasn't had much of a negative effect on me either. Who knows what tomorrow holds?

I agree that most students realize that whatever degree they are working toward is necessary to achieve whatever it is they want to do, yes. I'm not challenging a notion as to wether or not one should/should not go to college.

I don't think there is anything wrong with welfare, just those that allow it to be abused (+ it is, a lot). And I DEFINITELY do not see anything wrong with scholarships as many work hard to earn them. To me they are a better alternative than "free school for everyone". Even if most took advantage of it, eventually the value of whatever given degree would be watered down. It's not completely absurd to think one with a Ph.D could find his/herself working in an auto-salvage. But, sure....we might have a "more intelligent society".

I just find it odd....we are talking about countries that are better off because of free universities...all the while these very countries seem to be on the verge of insolvency.

gast30 12.02.2010 08:27 AM

imagine that all students who are studing LAW
are prepared to make an end to fraude and corruption
promoting tranceparency
of what is going on with peoples taxmoney

is that not the reason they study all those years

there platform will be one with camera's and digital information from bankaccounts

looking forward to that

in the meanwhile everywhere are camera's and people have digitalpassports
there are irisscans and other scans
DNA evedence

and ofcourse your own eyes

gast30 12.02.2010 08:39 AM

posted by such friends are danegrous
-don't disrespect peoples' culture because you think you may be more cultured with your pseudo-poetic posts here, and I see the lil homiez have never run up on you (probably not sway either ;) ) in front of the corner store and repped they district on you before.. when that day comes you just may be a bit more courteous to their perspective, lest they point the strap and you pose and freeze and suddenly find Jesus

that is yust an example of fear of death and you're looking for a way out
and i enjoy your fear
or how your mind is confused by this

i don't like to go back where it all went wrong
as you have studies as you say you also know the DNA trace of the homosapien
IT WAS AFRICA
human have fears and so animals have fears
if you enjoy this you are terrorising
terrorising means
pushing people back with a message YOU HAVE TO FEAR ME

this don't work

ploesj 12.02.2010 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by ann ashtray

I don't think there is anything wrong with welfare, just those that allow it to be abused (+ it is, a lot). And I DEFINITELY do not see anything wrong with scholarships as many work hard to earn them. To me they are a better alternative than "free school for everyone". Even if most took advantage of it, eventually the value of whatever given degree would be watered down. It's not completely absurd to think one with a Ph.D could find his/herself working in an auto-salvage. But, sure....we might have a "more intelligent society".



i think our scholarship systems are quite different: here it is enough to have parents whose annual income is below a certain level to get part of the money you spend on school back from the government. however, if you fail too many classes, you can lose it or you will get less money. all you have to do is apply for one and prove that you need it.

knox 12.02.2010 09:12 AM

ideally,
you shouldn't have to pay anything for knowledge

ideally,
knowledge shouldn't have anything to do with your name written on a paper you may or may not choose to hang on the wall

SONIC GAIL 12.02.2010 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ploesj
i think our scholarship systems are quite different: here it is enough to have parents whose annual income is below a certain level to get part of the money you spend on school back from the government. however, if you fail too many classes, you can lose it or you will get less money. all you have to do is apply for one and prove that you need it.


I had a music scholarship and lost it because my grades were plummeting. THis is when I was going to school full time and working full time to pay my bills. I thought I could handle it but I could'nt I remember falling asleep when I was driving because I would stay up doing homework or practicing. Ended up dropping out for awhile after I missed my final exam in piano class because my car broke down.

gast30 12.02.2010 09:26 AM

back to the basic
EVRYONE CAN STUDY
THE POOR AND THE RICH

THE BRAIN DOESN'T FUNCTION ON PAPERMONEY OR DIGITALMONEY
THE BRAIN FUNCTIONS ON OXYGEN

IF EDUCATION IS DENIED BECAUSE OF MONEY
THAN THIS IS FINANCIAL TERRORISM TO THE POOR
WHO CAN WACHT FROM A CORNER HOW THEY ABUSED THE TALENT
OF MODERNHUMANS TO KEEP THEM DUM TO KEEP THEM OUT FROM A BETTER LIFE

A SHAME TO THE HARD WORK OF THE PIONEERS
WHO WORKED HARD FOR EVERYONE'S GOOD

ann ashtray 12.02.2010 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by knox
ideally,
you shouldn't have to pay anything for knowledge

ideally,
knowledge shouldn't have anything to do with your name written on a paper you may or may not choose to hang on the wall


agreed....ideally.
Edit*

knowledge can be free, and for most it is if they seek it.

knox 12.02.2010 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by SONIC GAIL
I had a music scholarship and lost it because my grades were plummeting. THis is when I was going to school full time and working full time to pay my bills. I thought I could handle it but I could'nt I remember falling asleep when I was driving because I would stay up doing homework or practicing. Ended up dropping out for awhile after I missed my final exam in piano class because my car broke down.


that sucks.
i got a music scholarship too.
at some point i had to stop going because they would find out i lied about reading sheets.
but your story is better.

SONIC GAIL 12.02.2010 09:46 AM

Hahaha I think your story is better:) Yeah it sucked pretty bad my mom ended up dying during that semester too so I was a little burned out with life at that point. I picked myself up and went back though with a different major and paid for every cent of it.

hevusa 12.02.2010 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Derek
I'm not really offended considering this is coming from someone who complained about a free preview of the new Sonic Youth album because it was 128kbps.


You mean that slap in the face to Sonic Youth and their biggest fans from Matador?? You would have to be a moron to think 128K is "acceptable" for an advance purchase stream.

knox 12.02.2010 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by hevusa
You mean that slap in the face to Sonic Youth and their biggest fans from Matador?? You would have to be a moron to think 128K is "acceptable" for an advance purchase stream.


GET OVER IT

SONIC GAIL 12.02.2010 11:05 AM

Yes Please Get Over It

gualbert 12.02.2010 11:17 AM

Universities are obsoletes in modern countries.
You can have access to thousands of books, tons of informations once you have the internet. (and it's cheaper)

What do universities provide that can't be found on IN?: grades! degrees! :o

SONIC GAIL 12.02.2010 11:18 AM

Jobs. You have no chance in certain feilds without grades and degrees.

lucyrulesok 12.02.2010 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by gualbert
Universities are obsoletes in modern countries.
You can have access to thousands of books, tons of informations once you have the internet. (and it's cheaper)

What do universities provide that can't be found on IN?: grades! degrees! :o


this is a really thoughtless statement. where do you think research takes place?


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