with who?


don't care

QUESTION(S):
Does he ever play with bassist Mark Johnson of Bill Evans Trio legend, drummer Peter Erskine, guitarist John Scofield, piano player Brad Mehldau or saxophonist Joe Lovano? Or perhaps do you think the Frank & Joe Show would have him as a member of their ensemble?

ANSWER:
No, he doesn't, and they wouldn't have him. Your feeble NYC jazz D-list arguments make me laugh. The only people that would invite him into the fold are his fellow extended clan of misfit "free jazz" peers.

live or on record i like them a hell of a lot.

well see man, you are telling us here you don't know much about the current NYC music scene. The real scene, not the brooklynvegan pitchfork type pr bklyn cokefashion cell phone shit. As for those old guys, its great you know them, but theres a new generation of players ready to blow your mind. I bet you don't know Ras Moshe either. Jackson Krall. Other Dimensions in Music. Test. Trumpet Nemesis. William Hooker Quartet. Matthew Shipp trio. Nation of We. Anything with William Parker. Its too bad you are closed minded to anything new, well I'm not that surprised. Its you who are missing out. actually many of those guys aren't that new they just never sucked up to the corporates that just about killed any innovation in jazz through the 70-80's...

Heyner plays with Thurston fer chrissakes...

coach fingers is 3 members of nnck (Jason Meagher - coach, Dave Shuford - bass, Dave Nuss - drums) along with george from mountains of mattalama. saw them play once last year with sunburned and it was a great time. real good boogie rock vibe and totally recommend seeing them as they are on tour next week. might try and go check them out again monday night instead of hototogishu on wednesday unless sunburned plays...

bull

how can they blow my mind if they can't play their way out of a wet paper bag?

and the musicians I listed (except for Mark) that would have no part of NNCK members playing with them, they play out all the time and do new albums all the time...goo like you just don't follow the releases because you're too busy trying to be cool, affecting a pose, and being brainwashed by alternative weeklies and online and print music magazines.

If you truly cared about the music and not just seeming cool, you would know the information and wouldn't be so full of poppycock.

The Frank & Joe Show
http://www.franknjoe.com/
have a new one due on April 18th, Submarine Bus.

they are one of my favourite live bands too, cant wait for them to come around again.

http://www.franknjoe.com/

Ever seeking the ever changing, jazz guitarist extraordinaire, Frank Vignola and his pal, drum legend, Joe Ascione celebrate 20 years of musical partnership by launching their electric gypsy jam vessel into uncharted musical waters with the release of SUBMARINE BUS (release date: April 18 on Venture Music Inc/ Barn Burner Music).
SUBMARINE BUS is a hilarious and refreshing romp in the hayfields of free form electric gypsy jazz, intricately doused with explosive homages to Hendrix, exploratory Zappa lyricism and trademark rumbling percussion. The groove is infectious, the musicianship impeccable, and the listening experience an odyssey into a quirky world previously only known to Fred & Jake (hint; you will never see them in the same room as Frank & Joe). It's improv as art form with juicy hook laden guitar riffs, alternately crunchy then clean, with world class percussion providing the pulse throughout. The live show is a musical cirque-du-soleil, as audience members consistently point to the fun the group has amongst themselves, as well as keeping the crowd interactive, whether by telling jokes or dropping jaws.
" What we’re doing is not a static process, it evolves with each performance. Frank and I have this real symbiosis from having played together for so long. To me it’s the definition of art because we’re constantly creating in the moment." comments Joe." The vibe is joyous and uplifting. The music’s got to be a culmination of a great melody combined with a rhythmic openness that can be explored time and again."
" For me personally, this is the first time I’ve been able to do what I do best. In addition to making virtuosic music, the other side of being a musician is to be truly entertaining no matter who's sitting in the audience." Frank notes of the live music setting." Things do happen when you play night after night. And we have fun with it. If you can’t have fun with the music you might as well not be in it."

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podcast of live gig at http://www.franknjoe.com/
prepare to be levelled by talent

Here's a couple things going on related to this thread
PHANTOM EAR MUSIC SERIES #2
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>Wednesday, April 4th, 2007
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>Union Pool. 484 Union Avenue (at Meeker Ave.) Williamsburg, Brooklyn. NYC.
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>9pm: EYE CONTACT with Matt Lavelle - trumpet and bass clarinet,
>Matthew Heyner - bass,
>Ryan Sawyer - drums
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>10pm: GOLDSPARKLE Quartet with Charles Waters - woodwinds, Andrew
>Barker - drums,
>Adam Roberts - doublebass, Roger Ruzow - trumpet (a rare appearance
>with orig. GSBer Ruzow, straight from the ATL)
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>11pm: SABIR MATEEN'S OMNI-FOUR with Jane Wang - doublebass and
>cello, Matt Lavelle - trumpet, and the living master Warren Smith -
>percussion
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>plus DJs Casey and Jeff of East Village Radio's "Just Music"
>http://www.eastvillageradio.com
>curated by Andrew Barker
>http://www.myspace/goldsparkleband

The 'Rhythm in the Kitchen' 2007 Line-Up

Thursday March 29th

8 pm: Alex Garcia's AfroMantra
(Alex Garcia – drums; Ole Mathisen – saxophone; Pablo Vergara – piano; Waldo Chavez – bass; Aryam Vazquez – percussion)

9 pm: Michaël Attias Quartet
(Michaël Attias – saxophones; Russ Lossing – piano; Sean Conly – bass; Satoshi Takeishi – drums)

10 pm: Matt Lavelle's Spiritual Power
(Matt Lavelle – bass clarinet/trumpet; Michael T.A. Thompson – drums; Hilliard Greene – bass)

Friday March 30th

8 pm: Bob Feldman & 30J
(Bob Feldman – tenor saxophone; Tony Romano – guitar; Matt Lavelle – trumpet/bass clarinet; Ken Filiano – bass)

9 pm: Mike Freeman Zonavibe
(Mike Freeman - vibraphone; Little Johnny Rivero - congas; Maximo Rodriguez - bass)

10 pm: J D Parran and Ensemble Helacious
(J D Parran - bass sax; Peter Zummo – trombone; Kevin Norton – vibraphone/percussion)

11 pm: Dick Griffin Duo
(Dick Griffin - trombone; Warren Smith – drums)

Saturday March 31st

8 pm: Noah Creshevsky (composer) and Beth Griffith (soprano)

9 pm: Michael Marcus & Magic Door
(Michael Marcus – clarinet; Aaron James - bass; Jay Rosen – drums)

10 pm: The William Hooker Quartet (performance with film)
(William Hooker – drums; Okkyung Lee - cello; Ras Moshe - tenor saxophone; Sabir Mateen - saxophone)

11 pm: Sayuri Goto Trio with Benny Powell
(Sayuri Goto – piano; Benny Powell - trombone; Essiet Essiet - bass; Chip White - drums)


For information about the festival, contact info@hkculturalcenter.org
The Second Annual
Rhythm in the Kitchen Festival
artistic directors - William Hooker and Bob Kalin

March 29 - March 31, 2007

The Hell's Kitchen Cultural Center Inc. presents its second annual "Rhythm in the Kitchen" music festival celebrating the artistic talent residing in New York's most vibrant neighborhood. The three-day concert series will be held at the Metro Baptist Church on 410 West 40th Street (just west of 9th Avenue) from March 29th - March 31st.

"Rhythm 2" builds on the success of last year's inaugural concert series, which received accolades from critics and audiences alike. Wire magazine said the festival "offered three nights of music with a sense of purpose and community" and "[brought] innovative music back to the neighborhood that was once the center of jazz in New York City." This year’s eclectic array of musical styles range from Latin rhythms to electronica and will be performed by such noted musicians as Sayuri Goto and Benny Powell, Alex Garcia, J D Parran, and Michael Marcus, among many others.

One of the festival's highlights will no doubt be the "Symbol of the Unconquered," a silent film by Oscar Micheaux, a leading figure in the Harlem Renaissance. The screening will be accompanied with live music by the William Hooker Quartet.

"While most of the city's venues present music from around the country and all over the globe, our festival spotlights the amazing musical talents who live right here in Hell's Kitchen. Many of the performers have international reputations and have toured extensively but they often don't receive the same attention on their home turf. We want to change that," says Hooker, a free-jazz drummer and music educator. He and Bob Kalin, a longtime neighborhood housing organizer, founded the nonprofit Hell's Kitchen Cultural Center in late 2005
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I'd love to see William Hooker play again. I saw him with Lee Ranaldo and Gert Jan Prins a few yeasr ago, and he was brilliant to watch.

Wow, an extened clan of misfits that organize festivals to propogate their third-rate wares. I'm so impressed.

[quote=atari 2600]bull

how can they blow my mind if they can't play their way out of a wet paper bag?and the musicians I listed (except for Mark) that would have no part of NNCK members playing with them, they play out all the time and do new albums all the time...goo like you just don't follow the releases because you're too busy trying to be cool, affecting a pose, and being brainwashed by alternative weeklies and online and print music magazines.[quote]

wow atari's on a real asshole trip today! maybe you need cut off the caffeine or go wank one off in the bath or something. You're just sounding really stupid today podnah! The NNCK guys can play their instruments. I don't know why you would suggest otherwise.

LIsa Suckdog had a piece long ago in Rollerderby where she said "I don't get them" she didn't dismiss them, she just said she didn't get it. Well I know Lisa and I know she's not the kind to be sitting around for some deep listening.

If you want to put down some nonmusicans sound makers how about those laptop jockeys.

wow, atari you symbolize everything wrong with the scene, ignorant arrogant and overcapitalized.

You symbolize everything that is tragic about bright people who don't know culture because they are brainwashed to buy into some circle jerk.

You know, circle jerk...

just
one
big
circle
jerk

kinda like this thread...
and the majority of this board's content.

I'm not down with the laptop jockeys. I've made that clear many times, tesla.

Not all of that is completely horrible either, but most of it certainly isn't good. Yet more untalented non-musicians.

i think atari is just upset by the fact that he sets himself up as john culture but when it comes to music he's all about easy listening. that's fine atari, by the way, that you like pop and trad stuff, it's just a bit silly to critisize those who like and/or play stuff that's just a bit over your head.

I will probably be CONsidered a "tART" after saying this, but i completely agree with you about the trance state quality of some of NNCK's material. I actually enjoy listening to them most during Yoga (yeah thats right baby) and when im painting... especially qvaris...

Yeah, I could see it being okay for that...background music...but there's much else out there also.

oh absolutley the trance state is why i listen to a lot of the stuff i do, sunburned, nnck, vibra, nww, bark haze etc etc etc...

sometimes its not as amazing to start with but after a while it just grabs you. the first time i saw sunburned i literally felt my limbs involinterally move (no drugs or mental illness involved) because of the rhythm of the song. i think thats why a lot of people dont like it because its instant enough for them. you know where you are with a maddona song.

of course if you repace nnck with majic markers then I might agree with atari.

good word, i'm going to start using it

IBID.

what does that mean?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibid

see above.

Yep, everybody that likes anything that you don't like is incapable of critical thinking and sincere opinions in matters of taste. Everybody who likes a band whose popularity mystifies you is trying to seem "cool" because no one could possibly like this kind of music simply because the sound of it resonates with them for whatever reason. Boy, have you got it down.

I like some of NNCK's output quite a lot, but I don't consider myself a huge fanatic or anything. I do think they can play their instruments, especially Nuss. I have seen them twice; once in 1998 (awesome) and once in 2003 (musically weak to my ears, but made up for by a thoroughly entertaining and engaging stage presence/performance).
Yeah, they are a mixed bag, but there are many others more deserving of "naked emperor" status if you want to start going down that road. They are making perfectly valid music and I believe in their sincerity as artists.

What a sucker.

and the circle jerk continues...

you boys ready for round two?

can you even string two words together to form a reasonable argument?

Look, NNCK are better than a lot of the hipster junk discussed on this board, but no nebbish little "cabal" is going to decide for me that they are "officially" "the best band in the world" because it's a load of horseshit.
Of course, you'll like and dislike whomever you want, but I won't abide by gross misrepesentations of an artists' worth because I'm here merely as a true alternative to the Goo.

NNCK are barely passable and it took me (as it would anyone with an understanding of art and music) about fifteen minutes of listening to three releases to figure that out with absolute objective certaintude.

I came up with more than "what a sucker."
I think there was some hyperbole intended when this thread was started.
We are all more than aware of who you think the "greatest band in the world is," and no one is trying to change your mind.

The best band in the world right now owns this message board.

It was nice of you to replace "gay" with "nebbish" in one of your inevitable edits, I'll give you that.

...if I use "gay" then it might be taken the wrong way, but I like the homos just fine. I was just trying to wound subconsciously and that was wrong.

wow, one I actually edited before you could quote me...you must have some things going on tonight hee hee

Well, yeah MM are worse, but like NNCK, they still have their moments. And while their moments may be intense (some Sonic Death-ish), NNCK's are more prolonged.

What follows is incredibly harsh perhaps, but nothing changes the fact that neither are worth your devotion, time, or money.

I was merely thinking of the eventual day (& this is affording you a great deal of credit, by the way) when you realize you've been severely ripped off, that's all.

Well, seeing as I have only purchased one of their albums and I like that one quite a bit, I don't see that happening. The first time I saw them it was maybe three bucks (might have even been a "pass the hat" situation), and the second time was at a festival I would have attended regardless, so I really don't have all that much invested. Plus, if I were to sell that double LP that I bought in 1998 (which I have no plans to do), I'm sure I would stand to make a fine profit.

I'm not a huge fan; I just think they are pretty good and they are making a valid contribution. Sure, that "scene" has a glut of crappy meandering improvisors who have severe limitations and no ability to explore other musical avenues (and thus an inevitable "diminishing returns" situation), but NNCK aren't one of those bands. Not to my ears anyway.
Plus, the "scene" ALWAYS has a glut of talentless hacks jumping on bandwagons. This is nothing new.

why is anyone even paying attention to atari?

since everyone here always talks about them, i downlowded the link of their album sticks and stones, and was completely blown away. so thanks to y'all for introducing me to em. one question, does anybody have any links to download their other albums?
i'd be very much obliged, so thanks in advance.

Heres NNCK's Space is No Place track:

For Russia With Love:

http://www.badongo.com/file/2557390

thanks!

What on earth is this 'understanding of art and music' you claim? You don't particularly LIKE them. That's fine. But nothing you've said so far suggests that this has come from any significant 'understanding' of aesthetics. Certainly no more than those of us who claim to like them a helluva lot.

As for having an 'absolute objective certaintude' in determining the value of an art form, I congratulate you in managing to singlehandedly solve a problem that has plagued the arts from Plato onwards.