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gmku 05.16.2008 09:57 PM

The wash instructions on the inside of my jeans.

StevOK 05.16.2008 11:01 PM

My wife and I went to our local library today and got library cards. Tonight I'm going to start reading The Martian Chronicles by Ray Bradbury.

gmku 05.16.2008 11:05 PM

Is this your first time in a library? Well, better late than never.

I'm still into Dance with the Devil by Stanley Booth.

Bollocks_to_Pop 05.17.2008 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by drrrtyboots
 


I've been on a real Vonnegut kick lately.


I just got this book from the library recently but I'm in the middle of Voices From The Street by Phillip K. Dick which so far I'd say is okay but not his best.

StevOK 05.17.2008 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by gmku
Is this your first time in a library? Well, better late than never.


No, just the first time in my new town.

Derek 05.17.2008 06:47 PM

Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? by Philip K Dick.

Glice 05.17.2008 06:51 PM

I read that last year. Don't get the fuss over Dick. I mean, I like Dick, but I couldn't ever be enthusiastic about Dick. I enjoyed Dick, but I couldn't ever see myself shouting about Dick in the streets to other people. I've met quite a few people who love Dick, but I wouldn't say I was one of them. Alright and all, but I wouldn't ever go to being a full-time Dick-lover.

demonrail666 05.17.2008 07:04 PM

Do Androids is my least fave of his, I must admit

Glice 05.17.2008 07:12 PM

I'm reading the Satyricon of Petronius [etc]. I love how classics (as in proper classics, not Victorian guff) are bawdier than a Sade-ian blush.

Danny Himself 05.17.2008 07:27 PM

On thursday I read all 262 pages of The Color Purple by Alice Walker. In the preceding three days I had read The Scarlet Letter by Nathaniel Hawthorne. I really enjoyed Hawthorne's likening of the child born of sin to a wildflower, as well as his entertaining polysyllabic adjectives.

Read The Scarlet Letter if you can, but pass up Walker's drudge through the land that time forgot.

Oh, and in between serious books, I do like to read a series of books about my home city of Liverpool- the Haunted Liverpool series, which is now up to about 17 books, is a collection of paranormal tales that are full of real detective work on the part of the author, Tom Slemen, who sat next to me on the bus once. He's written a Wicked Liverpool book too, which is just about grisly victorian murders. It's sort of heartwarming to know that orphan children were used as human guinea pigs for vaccines in the 1800s, right on my doorstep!

demonrail666 05.17.2008 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Glice
I'm reading the Satyricon of Petronius [etc]. I love how classics (as in proper classics, not Victorian guff) are bawdier than a Sade-ian blush.


Wow, I tried to read that a few years ago but really couldn't get to grips with it. There's a contemporary novel by Michael Bracewell about a bloke who bunks off work that's packed with references to it. I'll try and find the title.... hang on...........looking on amazon....bear with me......here ya go....it's called 'Perfect Tense'.

Glice 05.17.2008 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by demonrail666
Wow, I tried to read that a few years ago but really couldn't get to grips with it. There's a contemporary novel by Michael Bracewell about a bloke who bunks off work that's packed with references to it. I'll try and find the title.... hang on...........looking on amazon....bear with me......here ya go....it's called 'Perfect Tense'.


I'm in the swing of epic poetry and classics. Strangely enough, I find a lot of 'straight' narrative literature massively confusing. Joyce or Pound or Eliot I adore endlessly, your Senecas, Ovids, Virgils, Euripides and the like I have no problems with, but something that is more obviously 'narrative fiction' and I simply can't follow it. I tried reading a Maeve Binchy book recently (my old dear recommended it) and it was like reading a book in Hebrew (a language I don't speak).

Glice 05.17.2008 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny Himself

Read The Scarlet Letter if you can, but pass up Walker's drudge through the land that time forgot.


That's a well dope book. There's references to it all over American culture like some sort of pox. F'rinstance, the video to Smells like teen spirit.

Danny Himself 05.17.2008 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Glice
I'm in the swing of epic poetry and classics.


The entirety of Dante Aligheri's Divina Commedia can be read online, if you're interested;

http://www.divinecomedy.org/divine_comedy.html

I find reading any length of text from a computer screen far too cumbersome for my eyes though.

Danny Himself 05.17.2008 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Glice
That's a well dope book. There's references to it all over American culture like some sort of pox. F'rinstance, the video to Smells like teen spirit.


And in a Simpsons hallowe'en special set in the puritan era, I noted the letter A had found itself emblazoned on the blouse of Edna Krabappel.

AND I LAUGHED

Glice 05.17.2008 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny Himself
The entirety of Dante Aligheri's Divina Commedia can be read online, if you're interested;

http://www.divinecomedy.org/divine_comedy.html

I find reading any length of text from a computer screen far too cumbersome for my eyes though.


Thanks, but I read that a fair while ago. If you haven't - Hell is awesome, Purgatory pwns all and Paradiso is utter, utter guff.

Glice 05.17.2008 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny Himself
And in a Simpsons hallowe'en special set in the puritan era, I noted the letter A had found itself emblazoned on the blouse of Edna Krabappel.

AND I LAUGHED


It makes me happy to know that there are two people in Britain who laughed for the same reason at the same time at the same joke for the same faintly worrying reasons of faux-intellectual self-satisfaction.

Danny Himself 05.17.2008 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Glice
Thanks, but I read that a fair while ago. If you haven't - Hell is awesome, Purgatory pwns all and Paradiso is utter, utter guff.


I've read it too, but I don't agree with general consensus that Paradiso is considerably worse than the other two. What's so bad about it?


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Originally Posted by Glice
It makes me happy to know that there are two people in Britain who laughed for the same reason at the same time at the same joke for the same faintly worrying reasons of faux-intellectual self-satisfaction.


There's safety in numbers.

Glice 05.17.2008 08:08 PM

I didn't really care about Paradiso, seemed like a big old wankfest over the notion of Paradise. A bit too happy-clappy, 'everything will be ok' with a litany of legendary Christians. Purgatory just struck me as eternally confusing, which appeals to my sense of ethics.

Danny Himself 05.17.2008 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Glice
I didn't really care about Paradiso, seemed like a big old wankfest over the notion of Paradise. A bit too happy-clappy, 'everything will be ok' with a litany of legendary Christians. Purgatory just struck me as eternally confusing, which appeals to my sense of ethics.


Oh, well there you go then. I'd surmise Dante wrote it as a Christian and for Christians. What I enjoyed most about the whole thing was the complete slap in the face at the end, when he "can't" describe what God looks like. Actually the whole poem is about people being slapped in the face; Virgil gets knocked back from Paradise for being a pagan, which I thought was pretty funny in a car crash kinda way. I'd love to go back in time and just add 'pwned' to the end of the verse.

Glice 05.17.2008 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny Himself
Oh, well there you go then. I'd surmise Dante wrote it as a Christian and for Christians. What I enjoyed most about the whole thing was the complete slap in the face at the end, when he "can't" describe what God looks like. Actually the whole poem is about people being slapped in the face; Virgil gets knocked back from Paradise for being a pagan, which I thought was pretty funny in a car crash kinda way. I'd love to go back in time and just add 'pwned' to the end of the verse.


Yeah, that's sort of what I mean by it being a wankfest. Dante's bleak allegories I agree with; his fantastical visions of redemption by the Christian God I find quite insipid. Perhaps I'm a masochist or somesuch, but his terse grip on the allegory just flies way off into a big Christian wank over the notion of paradise.

Danny Himself 05.17.2008 08:23 PM

Well throughout the poem it was a big Christian wank wasn't it? Sinners being pwned. Pagans being limbo'd. That's basically the gist of it.

Glice 05.17.2008 08:29 PM

Fair point. I've always been an old testament man meself, so maybe that explains it. I've always liked the God that's confusing, weird and gruellingly spiteful.

Danny Himself 05.17.2008 08:33 PM

I've always loved the romanticism of that fire-and-brimstone, Norriseqsue old testament God myself. There was no messing with old testament God. He commanded his chosen people to wander the desert for near 50 years! There'd be no crucifying that God.

P.S.
I love you Jesus

Glice 05.17.2008 08:36 PM

Yeah, well, I've gotta big up my man JC.

But it's all about my man Job as well. That's my nigga right there.

demonrail666 05.18.2008 06:40 AM

The OT God was a total git wasn't he. Sort of reminded me of a bearded Norman Tebbit.

drrrtyboots 05.18.2008 10:28 AM

 

uhler 05.25.2008 08:14 PM

joy division's unknown pleasures 33 1/3 book. i also bought the velvet underground and nico one too.

Dead-Air 05.25.2008 10:16 PM

I'd been wanting to read another Ian McDonald book since River of Gods and with his newest novel Brasyl racking up the British Science Fiction Association Award and a Hugo nomination*, it seemed time to jump in.

I'm just getting started, but the similarities to style with River of Gods are noticeable, though obviously this is a very different setting (ROG was set in near future India). Like his last novel this is near future with a cyberpunk influence, however it actually started in the recent past, making me think at first that it might be along the lines of Gibson's most recent work with Pattern Recognition and Spook Country. Too soon for me to judge, but perhaps Brasyl will be bridging the gap between that new emerging genre of post-cyberpunk present era SF and the near future variety.

*you can follow that link to a download to a free eBook as of the novel as well!

StevOK 05.25.2008 10:59 PM

Currently I am reading Stranger In A Strange Land by Robert A. Heinlein.

me. 05.26.2008 02:02 PM

Bao Ninh - The Sorrow Of War

Danny Himself 05.26.2008 02:06 PM

I recently bought a handful of victorian novels from an antique shop here in Liverpool- at the moment I'm reading one of them, "Christie's Old Organ", which is about a boy called Christopher who befriends an old organ grinder. The writing, as you can expect from a victorian author, is unconciously poetic and full of those flourishing polysyllabic adjectives which give me a huge intellectual boner.

Dead-Air 05.26.2008 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by StevOK
Currently I am reading Stranger In A Strange Land by Robert A. Heinlein.


That's an awesome book if you keep in mind the cultural impact it had. It was hugely influential on the anarcho-communist side of the hippie movement, and Kesey and the like were really into it. Also the stuff about the First Lady's astrologer influencing presidential politics was incredibly prescient since Ron and Nancy actually did that two decades later!

StevOK 05.26.2008 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Dead-Air
That's an awesome book if you keep in mind the cultural impact it had. It was hugely influential on the anarcho-communist side of the hippie movement, and Kesey and the like were really into it. Also the stuff about the First Lady's astrologer influencing presidential politics was incredibly prescient since Ron and Nancy actually did that two decades later!


I see lots and lots of parallelism between the book and current events as well. Especially between the Fosterites and Scientologists.

acdc518 05.26.2008 03:11 PM

Hell's Angels by Hunter S. Thompson

alteredcourse 05.26.2008 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by StevOK
I see lots and lots of parallelism between the book and current events as well. Especially between the Fosterites and Scientologists.

I've really wanted to enjoy this book , but in both attempts of a few months ago and a few years ago , I havent been able to get what it's about .

blunderbuss 05.26.2008 03:55 PM

 


for about the tenth time

demonrail666 05.26.2008 04:03 PM

 

Dead-Air 05.26.2008 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by alteredcourse
I've really wanted to enjoy this book , but in both attempts of a few months ago and a few years ago , I havent been able to get what it's about .


What it's about is a social critique of American politics disguised as a science fiction novel. It's odd because Heinlein was a bit right wing, but this book is a blue-print for why an anrcho-socialist society is a good idea. That said, the writing can be a bit juvenile at times, as juvenile SF was where Heinlein was coming from in terms of marketing and audience.

alteredcourse 05.26.2008 05:04 PM

I never got much further than when Jill "kidnapped" Valentine and brought him to Ben's apartment . I assumed that he made Ben a total pig on purpose to illustrate something , that or it was an example of the juvenile style of writing . Everything that was going on was like that for me - what was deliberate and what was nothing .

I suppose I really dont know enough about American politics, especially of the times back then , to really grasp it . What is an anarcho-socialist society ? Why was it needed then ?
Ha, thanks for replying though , I've wanted to ask someone about it for a long while !


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