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noisereductions 12.05.2013 10:11 PM

I really don't rank Vol 2 that high. I think Vol 1-3 are good but, honestly, Reasonable Doubt and then.... ..... ... The Blueprint. y'know? And then it's like BP was the beginning of his really interesting shit.

noisereductions 12.05.2013 10:13 PM

does he mean "Sunshine" kills the album in a good way or bad way? I love "Sunshine."

Dynasty if pretty meh to me for the most part.

"So Ghetto" right on. That track is awesome.

louder 12.06.2013 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by noisereductions
But American Gangster is Top 5 for sure.

meant it should be TOP 4. :)

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Originally Posted by noisereductions
"So Ghetto" right on. That track is awesome.

yes, great song.

louder 12.06.2013 02:11 AM

"Sorry critics, it's good."

haaa true!

louder 12.06.2013 06:18 AM

after a lot of thinking.. just completed my top 10 rap projects of the year:

1. Kanye West - Yeezus
2. A$AP Rocky - Long.Live.A$AP
3. Chance the Rapper - Acid Rap
4. Danny Brown - Old
5. Death Grips - Government Plates
6. Drake - Nothing Was the Same
7. A$AP Ferg - Trap Lord
8. Migos - Young Rich Niggas
9. Denzel Curry - Nostalgic 64
10. The Underachievers - Indigoism

h8kurdt 12.06.2013 09:40 AM

Well I'm gonna say it. I really don't get what the love for A$AP Rocky was all about. Just a very meh album for me.

louder 12.06.2013 12:15 PM

Kanye is already working on his next album.

said it'll have 8 songs. Rick Rubin and Q-Tip are involved.

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Originally Posted by louder
i'm praying that Kanye will drop a Yeezus-on-steroids album next year. like he went from The College Dropout to Late Registration in one year.

is my wish coming true? wow.

--

EDIT:

Kanye Compares His Next Album To Born In The U.S.A.
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Maybe the best part is when West talks about his Yeezus follow-up, which he recently told Philly’s Power 99 will be out by next summer:

"Bruce Springsteen dropped this album called Nebraska and right after that he did Born In The U.S.A.. This next one, I have a feeling, because of what we did right now, has to be Born In The U.S.A."

http://www.stereogum.com/1581902/kan...st-club/video/

louder 12.07.2013 04:34 AM

Kendrick gets nominated for album of the year at the Grammys. crossing my fingers!


album of the year:
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Sara Barellies - The Blessed Unrest
Daft Punk - Random Access Memories
Kendrick Lamar - Good Kid m.A.A.d City
Macklemore & Ryan Lewis - The Heist
Taylor Swift - RED


rap album of the year:
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Drake - Nothing Was the Same
Jay-Z - Magna Carta.. Holy Grail
Kendrick Lamar - Good Kid m.A.A.d City
Macklemore & Ryan Lewis - The Heist
Kanye West - Yeezus

best new artist:
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James Blake
Kendrick Lamar
Macklemore & Ryan Lewis
Kacey Musgraves
Ed Sheeran

louder 12.07.2013 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Severian
Yeezus is RollingStone's #2 album of the year.

Forget who's #1.... Doesn't matter.

Vampire Weekend, they suck. i've seen Yeezus topping a bunch of other lists though. it's going to top P4k's list as well.

noisereductions 12.07.2013 10:03 AM

I don't really understand the Grammy's calendar. GKMC came out in 2012. Yeezus 2013.

Severian 12.08.2013 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by noisereductions
I don't really understand the Grammy's calendar. GKMC came out in 2012. Yeezus 2013.


I think they go from October to October, so this year will include any album from 10/1/12 to 10/1/13. Which means they TOTALLY overlooked Yeezus, as well as other super obvious choices from Neil Young and David Bowie.

I really thought the Next Day was going to dominate the Grammy's. But fuck it.

Kendrick is not going to win, either. :(

noisereductions 12.08.2013 10:07 AM

Oct to Oct is stupid. I've never understood why they don't do literally a Jan 1st - Dec 31st of a single year.

louder 12.08.2013 10:47 AM

The Next Day barely got any recognition. such an underrated album.

Severian 12.08.2013 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by louder
The Next Day barely got any recognition. such an underrated album.


Well, it received really really great reviews when it came out, and it was hyped like hell, and definitely served as a veritable comeback album for a classic artist.

That's Grammy gold, man. Paul Simon, Bob Dylan, McCartney... they all get a nod every time they release an album that grabs attention. Isn't David Bowie in that class of artists?

Severian 12.08.2013 12:48 PM

Just out of curiosity, what did the hip hop categories look like?

I can't believe Yeezus didn't get an album of the year nod. He's never won Album of the Year, and only his two least awesome albums have been nominated.

Meh. Fuck the stupid Grammys anyway.

louder 12.08.2013 03:27 PM

i don't know.. The Next Day received pretty good (edit: ok, GREAT) reviews, but people kinda forgot about it after a week. :(

Yeezus was nominated for the rap category.

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Originally Posted by Severian
Meh. Fuck the stupid Grammys anyway.

this though.

Severian 12.08.2013 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by louder
after a lot of thinking.. just completed my top 10 rap projects of the year:

1. Kanye West - Yeezus
2. A$AP Rocky - Long.Live.A$AP
3. Chance the Rapper - Acid Rap
4. Danny Brown - Old
5. Death Grips - Government Plates
6. Drake - Nothing Was the Same
7. A$AP Ferg - Trap Lord
8. Migos - Young Rich Niggas
9. Denzel Curry - Nostalgic 64
10. The Underachievers - Indigoism



Whoah, man. 12 Reasons, the first truly badass hip hop album of the year, is not even in your top 10?

I'm just asking because this has been a pretty ferocious year, and the competition has been heavy, so I have a hard time remembering all the great ones at once.

Wait... NO PUSHA-T EITHER? And what about MIA?

And... Oh my god, man, you even left out Earl.

Are you sure you don't need more time?

Severian 12.08.2013 09:22 PM

I think my list might have to be divided into mix tape and trad album in order to keep it from being 25 records long.

Right now, I think I'm going to go with the album that I've never turned off half way trough, Yeezus, as #1. Ghost will be #2 most likely. The rest... Shit. Too much good shit.

As for my NON hip hop list, this is what I'm thinking for best of the year:

Black Bug- Reflecting the Light
Fuck Buttons- Slow focus
Botany- Lava Diviner
Flaming Lips- the Terror
and six other albums... lol.

I think I might publish my list on Blogger or something. I've got some excellent commentary to accompany my list, and explain my decisions.

louder 12.09.2013 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Severian
Whoah, man. 12 Reasons, the first truly badass hip hop album of the year, is not even in your top 10?

I'm just asking because this has been a pretty ferocious year, and the competition has been heavy, so I have a hard time remembering all the great ones at once.

Wait... NO PUSHA-T EITHER? And what about MIA?

And... Oh my god, man, you even left out Earl.

Are you sure you don't need more time?

i don't really consider M.I.A. hip-hop (although there's some rapping on her album).

Pusha's album has too many songs i don't care about. i really like King Push, Hold On, Nosetalgia.. that's it.
well, there are a bunch of other good songs, but i never bump them anymore.

i like 12 Reasons to Die, but not as much as you guys, it's like a 7/10 to me.

Doris is really good lyrically, Earl's lazy delivery and most of the features make it hard for me to sit through.. i prefer his mixtape.

louder 12.09.2013 01:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Severian
I think my list might have to be divided into mix tape and trad album in order to keep it from being 25 records long.

Right now, I think I'm going to go with the album that I've never turned off half way trough, Yeezus, as #1. Ghost will be #2 most likely. The rest... Shit. Too much good shit.

As for my NON hip hop list, this is what I'm thinking for best of the year:

Black Bug- Reflecting the Light
Fuck Buttons- Slow focus
Botany- Lava Diviner
Flaming Lips- the Terror
and six other albums... lol.

I think I might publish my list on Blogger or something. I've got some excellent commentary to accompany my list, and explain my decisions.

as far as non hip-hop goes, i like Sky Ferreira, MBV, Iceage, M.I.A., Deafheaven, David Bowie, PARTYNEXTDOOR, Lorde..

haven't heard any of those albums. anything you think i'd like?

louder 12.09.2013 01:38 AM

man does Tuscan Leather suck.. it's like a 6 min song and Drake says absolutely nothing on it. who cares how much time you spend on an intro? instant skip. the next song is classic material though.

Severian 12.09.2013 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by louder
as far as non hip-hop goes, i like Sky Ferreira, MBV, Iceage, M.I.A., Deafheaven, David Bowie, PARTYNEXTDOOR, Lorde..

haven't heard any of those albums. anything you think i'd like?



I think you'd like Botany. It's got a definite hip hop influence. Madlib and J-Dilla are two artists that really influenced its production. It's not a hip hop record, and is mostly instrumental, but it's sick as fuck... super laid back, chill, and epic all at the same time.

I don't know how you feel about punk, but since you listed Iceage on your non-hip hop list there's a chance you'll appreciate the sorely underrated Black Bug album I mentioned. I've been digging the shit out of it all year. It's the kind of album that keeps the world from spinning out of orbit. Hozac records nails it again.

And as for Fuck Buttons.... I don't know. It's a beast of an album. It's dark as fuck, and electronic, and kind of hellish, but also has some very lush moments. It's noise rock that sounds to me like Daft Punk and the Melvins getting into a colossal car accident, blood and metal everywhere. Also instrumental. It's worth listening to for anyone.

And the Lips... well, if you haven't already listened to the Terror and made a decision about it, this post probably isn't going to move you to do so. Top shelf fucking album though.

Severian 12.09.2013 07:25 AM

But you seriously need to listen to Doley. Why haven't you done so? Especially being such a fan of A$AP? Doley's mixtape shares production credits with Long.Live. And the kid ain't fucking around either.

One thing that pissed me off about a lot of the year's hip hop albums was that they tended to devolve into sentimental/overly serious R&B tinged bullshit halfway through, only to bounce back in the end. MNIMN and Nothing Was The Sane are two examples of this.

Doley doesn't let up, and raps like a fucking fiend throughout Just In Case, which is really one of the most consistently badass rap records of the year. I can't believe how badly it was overlooked.

noisereductions 12.09.2013 09:14 PM

Terror was my least favorite Lips album in a long long time. Just not feeling it.

Man, "You Song" should have been on ACID RAP.

Severian 12.09.2013 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by louder
man does Tuscan Leather suck.. it's like a 6 min song and Drake says absolutely nothing on it. who cares how much time you spend on an intro? instant skip. the next song is classic material though.


And yet it's one of the better tracks on an album you placed above GFK, Earl, Pusha-T, Black Milk, Tree, Killah Priest, Deltron, Slum Village, and tons of others.

I love you louder, but you can be one fickle fair weather fan, bra ;)

louder 12.10.2013 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Severian
And yet it's one of the better tracks on an album you placed above GFK, Earl, Pusha-T, Black Milk, Tree, Killah Priest, Deltron, Slum Village, and tons of others.

I love you louder, but you can be one fickle fair weather fan, bra ;)

actually, i think it's one of the weakest. i don't hate it, it's just meh lyrically. the track with Jhene Aiko on the hook is absolutely the worst. what a snoozefest.

Furthest Thing, Worst Behavior, Too Much and Pound Cake are all song of the year material, in my opinion.. i also love Own It and Connect.

"eyes closed, just swangin'..".

Severian 12.10.2013 02:32 PM

Well on a non hip hop note, you should check out some of the year's post punky rock type shit. I'm curious what you think will own the year from the greater indie genre.

And, Jesus, did i hear you correctly, NR? The Terror was a disappointment? What the hell?! Why am I like the only person who thinks that album is extraordinarily awesome? It's like the "well, we lost the fight" sequel to Soft Bulletin.

Happiness reflected upon through a lense stained by years of corporate evil, and a communal sense of self that has become tied completely to machines and app software.

louder 12.10.2013 02:34 PM

i'll check out everything you've recommended to me soon.

louder 12.10.2013 02:52 PM

E-40 just dropped 3 albums today.

noisereductions 12.10.2013 03:06 PM

sorry yo, I've tried w/ the Terror multiple times. Just won't click. Get really really bored. :\

louder 12.10.2013 03:30 PM

Rolling Stones' "10 BEST MIXTAPES OF 2013"
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/li...d-rap-19691231

top 3 is solid.

i'm glad that Teefli and Young Thug got some recognition, too.

they forgot about PartyNextDoor though.

louder 12.10.2013 03:39 PM

also Indigoism, BetterOffDead, Joey Badass' tape, TREE, etc..

noisereductions 12.10.2013 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by louder
also Indigoism, BetterOffDead, Joey Badass' tape, TREE, etc..


I liked about half of Indigoism. Didn't hold my attention all that long.

Summer Knights is great though.

I also really like that NYC Renaissance mixtape that Peter Rosenberg compiled this year.

Rob Instigator 12.10.2013 05:13 PM

http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critic...sic_frerejones

Rob Instigator 12.10.2013 05:15 PM

"There is an over-representation of the criminal aspects of black youth culture (in music) from the videos and the records," he says. "Not all black kids out here are slinging cocaine, crack and heroin, and shooting at one another. What about the black kid who works at Haagen-Dazs in Brooklyn? He or she is not represented. What about the black kid who just goes to church with his grandmother on Sunday? I don't hear their story in any of these records! All I hear is bang, bang, shoot 'em up." - Bill Stephney (Public Enemy)

Rob Instigator 12.10.2013 05:17 PM

"The bottom line dictates their business (and) the people that run black music have liquidated a marketable criminal element to sell to the world. Thus 15 years ago, rappers rapped for the people, whereas today they rap and rep for their companies, because the money dictates the direction." - Chuck D

Rob Instigator 12.10.2013 05:19 PM

"Even with PE, the desire wasn't to be conscious per se; the idea was to make great records," he says. "We had a specific political concept, but the overriding thing was to make fantastic music. That's all it is at the end of the day." - Bill Stephney

Genteel Death 12.10.2013 05:29 PM

Public Enemy meant shit politically. Rob, I think it's great that people make records without political agendas. It makes it all more artsy and pretentious and fun.

Rob Instigator 12.10.2013 05:49 PM

Hip Hop was inherently political from the get-go, because it was a music that sprung from a marginalized and completely ignored subset of America (poor black and hispanic inner city youth). I think it is more about personal politics than the governmental politics. mainstream (shit-stem) Hip Hop stopped being personally political a while ago, when it became more about preaching a fabricated persona (NWA).
Ice T was an ex pimp, drug pusher, gangbanger, etc., and he rapped about what he had learned, seen, etc., personal politics. NWA was a bunch of poser fucks pretending to be hard ganstas.

Hip Hop "stars" have too much money to lose,a nd the powers that be have too much invested in them, to ever let them be political in any respect. JayZ and Kanye may be impresarios and tycoons, but the REAL money and power behind those guys sits in lush madison avenue corner offices, earning million dollar bonuses off off white kids buying Jay Z albums.

Rob Instigator 12.10.2013 05:55 PM

Public Enemy meant a LOT politically, especially when it comes to disseminating the radical leaders of black culture, and including marginalized people who are not discussed by the white media's treatment of the civil rights movement, in the 80's.
It may not have been the same in the UK. different country, different politics.
I consider U2 a "political" band in that vein. I consider The Clash a political band as well. The Wailers, Dylan, anyone who sings about what is really happening around them is political. Katy perry sings about being mildly retarted. That is NOT political.


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