Do you not think that,perhaps,Beethoven himself might have looked down on you for being a little too precious about being passionate or expressing a pronounced interest in music?Music is first and foremost fun and enjoyment and not something to be used to look people down on.
Whatever somebody listens to is ok for as long as it means something to them in a way that i can/can't understand.

Edit - To Roberta.

i'm an indie snob for telling all the other indie snobs that they are indie snobs which in fact makes me a greater indie snob and eventually repeats the entire process yet once again.

what?

why do you assume that I am a stuck up sonic youth fan as opposed to a genuine sonic youth fan? what nakes you think you can determine who is a "genuine" Billy Joel fan?
Most every billy joel fan would tell you that sonic youth sucks ass and that it is not music. does that make them stuck up?

Nope, just lets you know their taste.

beethoven would have applauded me, for he also thought his music was the dopest shit around.

So he didn't really make music for the enjoyment of others,or did he?He wasn't fucking Malkmus,you know?That's my demonic image of an indie snob who doesn't know shit,let alone how to approach musicianship.

I agree with this in a fairly substantial way. I've got loads of mates who know fuck all about Sonic Youth, and could care less about Joy Division or the Velvets or whatever, and they're much better company. I quite often find that, if you let people talk about what they love, they eventually introduce you to something - recent years have seen numerous people turn me onto the like of Kelly Clarkson or Avril Lavigne or an untold world of country/ folk/ world/ lift/ easy listening/ trad jazz [etc] that I wouldn't have listened to otherwise.

I'll admit to being somewhat of an elitist/ fascist when it comes to music, but generally speaking I'd much rather talk to someone who isn't afraid to say they love REM, or James Blunt or even u2 than I would someone whose conversation revolves around how much asinine generic band x 'rock' and how much asinine generic band y 'rule'.

I reckon if you asked every Sonic Youth fan you ever meet what they think of Billy Joel, you'll probably get a surprisingly similar reaction. Sonic Youth are good, they are not the Holy Grail. In fact, I suspect most Billy Joel fans wouldn't have heard of Sonic Youth, and might, if you talk to them nicely, take the time to listen, something that most Sonic Youth fans wouldn't return in kind.

What's the problem with Billy Joel?

that is not snobbery, that is just superior listening powers.

edit: no actually it's not that even. it's just obvious. give me something else?

It's called being ultimately narrow minded.

Please look into his face and try not be a snob but plainly violent towards your computer screen:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=13DfvdeH-io

that would damage my sweet, sweet machine. could i instead by lukewarm and indifferent towards that carrot-face and his la-la-la?

nope, it is just that billy joel sucks just a little bit less than phil collins

By comparison Instance one of an Englishman being louche and aloof whilst simultaneously being a sexy motherfucker. Instance two. You might note that the latter comes across as an utter, total cunt, and yet still, mysteriously, scares the shit out of one. And invented Pavement. And whose band is. still, all these years later, both the epitome and antithesis of indie snobbery.

Did you notice a pitoval thing about that video?Vile anglophile Malkmus vilifies his own virility by using a stereotypical image of British indieness and manliness by playing golf in the video.Now,like anyone who made physical contact with a beer monster who likes otherish music in England will know, that typical indie guy in England(in the 80's at least) is more into the roughness of football and not golf,which is essentially a sport for girls,innit?And those flowers?Girl!

Golf is the last vestige of those born without culture. This applies even in parodies. Even the most fawning of British indie types (so, Lawrence Denim or the Pastels) wouldn't be seen dead near a golf course, or flowers, or anything other than a dank bookshop wearing an overly-large jumper (not sweater).

Can you separate the bread and butter Mark E Smith from the genius Mark E Smith?No.It's literally impossible and that's what i love about him.

golf is fun.

anyone else play? I had my clubs stolen from my house last christmas.

i cannto separate the Andy Kapp Mark E Smith from the toothless homeless Mark E Smith

What does that mean?

he looks like andy kapp to me.