there is no year 0 in either Julian or Gregorian calenders. there IS a year 0 when computing astronomically.


you can blame Dennis the Short.

good point. if the question had been: does it annoy anyone else that time in the US runs:

10:00am
11:00am
12:00pm
1:00pm

then i would have to say, yes it does annoy me that everyone thinks noon can be either before or after noon.

there are no 12am or 12pm. there is only 12 noon and 12 midnight.

^^^ colon overuse is disgusting.

except sir that your teenage years start at 13 and finish at 19 because prior to that you are 12 and after that you are 20... however when you are 12 it is your 13th year on the planet...

it's called "diarrhea"-- or "constipation"-- depending on the case.

i knew rob believed in life at conception

I think Rob might believe that life begins a year after conception.

Which is the exact moment of conception.

Go figure... actually, don't bother because you won't succeed.

So say Rob lines up 10 big booties in a row. Is that a row of 10 booty? And how do we begin counting them, at 1? How do we determine which booty is 1?

Also is a booty considered both cheeks combined, or can a booty be each cheek individually?

When I see threads like this one, though, it irks me that people haven't read Aristotle. The way in which Rob compares the motion of time to counting is an example of this ignorance, one that is particularly addressed in Aristotle's reply to the paradoxes of motion made by Zeno of Elea.

Verme's post eloquently answers the question:

As Rob considers it, a year *begins* with its numeration or, in other words, we begin a year till its completion into the next. However, this is incorrect as a year is a measurement of time like any else and measures time by its passing. The confusion can be seen in language: it's been a year and 3 months or it has been three months into the new year. The former is a correct measurement of time. This confusion is made worse, particularly when remembering Zeno, when counting off years like numbers (2001, 2002, 2003, etc.). This can lead to thinking a year as a static thing, however a year, like a decade, is the measure of the motion of time. Thus, the value of a year is the measurement of its passing between years, as Verme's answer shows.

TL;DR: This isn't 2009. It has been 2009 years and 11 months and 15 days.

I am disappointed in Rob myself, I must say.

A decade is ten years. The end of 2009 will mark the end of the 00s because the 00s began in 2000. Just like the 80s ended at the end of 1989 because they began in 1980. 1980 was not part of the 70s.

It was, however, the end of the decade that began on January 1st, 1971. This is what Rob is trying to say. Since the beginning of the calendar, every ten years has ended in a zero. So the year 11 was the beginning of a new ten years, as was the year 21 or the year 1981.

In short, people are arguing about two dfferent things. A decade is ten years. 2009 will be the end of the 00s but it will not be the end of the decade that began on january 1st, 2001. That will happen on January 1st, 2011.

Essentially, Rob is mad because he thinks people are ignoring the first year of the current calendar. When in fact, they are just going by a different system.

can't we just post tit pix and get along, syg?

for you

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is a separate and special entity called 'Identity element'. 0 is actually the identity element under addition for the real numbers, since if a is any real number, a + 0 = 0 + a = a. Mathematicians refers to 0 as the additive identity (or better said, the reflexive identity of addition).

is considered to be a purely imaginary number: 0 is the only complex number which is both real and purely imaginary.

sure 0 is not a measure of years but everything afterward is.. So zero thru one is year one, nine thru next zero is year ten. Hope this makes sense yo. All these counting years threads are silly.

Post above is goodness. Math is ace.

this thread is an awesome representation of rob's attitude to all discussions.

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