Oh, I don't think that counts as an "album"... not to me anyway. And you're right- it's shit. But it's not, like, an SY record. It's a collaboration sessions release from a series that hasn't produced anything memorable.

I think this thread is referring to the studio albums and big EPs, mostly.

I actually don't consider many of the SYR's to be "Sonic Youth albums". SYR 5 may say "Sonic Youth" on it, but it's not an SY album... nor SYR 3. Others are more so (SYR 1- Anagrama ranks with my favorite SY releases, and I'd put it next to their studio albums any day), but definitely not all of them.

Honestly, who among us is totally familiar with every second of every album that say "Sonic Youth" on it? Not I. I may own 90% of them, and base my life on 75% of them as though they were scripture, but I couldn't rattle off the tracklisting for every collabo, sessions EP, soundtrack, etc., and I consider myself a massive SY fan.

But yr right that ITF sucks.

In The Fishtank fuckin rules dude!

NYC G&F LOL

Dude, shut the lights, sit alone in a room, smoke one and listen to it..

You'll love it man. It's thee best.

I have some problems with the lyrics on "Nevermind...". it's a strong song, but it could use a bit of finesse, and it doesn't really fit with the rest of the album.

Aside from that, yes. NYCG&F is f'ing brilliant and glorious.

The only reason people dis' it is because of dumbass Pitchforkmedia.com giving it a 0 out of 10. When that happened, all the little indie kids started calling it crap, though half at least have probably never listened to it.

Goddamn Pitchforkmedia. To give you an idea of their critique ethics and standards, they also gave Zaireeka by the Flaming Lips a 0. I mean...... where is their mind???

(actually I think they spoke out and retracted their 0 score for NYC... but still)

hey, you forgot about me??
http://www.sonicyouth.com/gossip/showthread.php?t=54369

Watcha mean?

Best frickin album they've did..and no I still haven't got me a LP version :(
BUT I'm seriously in for it now dude..

Ha ha,no, I mean, it's pretty obvious I already love it (I was kidding in my post), and you "suggested" a way to get into it :D. No need for me ;).
I can't speak english today sorry...

NYCG&F is an excellent album. Not sure why the hate.

I will say I don't hate it. I hate "Small Flowers" but that's it.The title track, "Free City Rhymes"...those songs are too fucking good for me to ever hate the album. But having seen "Side2Side" and "Lightnin'" live way back when...the studio versions suffer in comparison. "Renegade Princess" takes too long (to my ears) to get revving. It's not an album that evokes any strong reaction from me, really.

ugh. I'm jealous. Side2side is tied with Free City Rhymes for best song on there. imo.


sway side to side. Kim hypnotizes me with this song's minimalism.

"Lightenin'" live is a fucking revelation. At least in my experience.

It's a goddamn orgasm on the album too, though.

I always thought In the Fishtank was a bit on the dull side. Improv for the sake of improv that never really seems to go anywhere. That Hidros 3 w/ Mats Gustafsson kicks ass, however. Textures all over the place. Love that contrabass sax.

Yeah, I do like Hidros 3.

I <3 NYC G&F. I don't listen to it too often, but whenever I'm in mood for this record, it's rough, but with good production. There are sometimes minimalistic and very noisy experimental sounds + synths. It was the end of some era in sonics career. A culmination. That's how I like to think of that album.

Good description. Like Lightnin maked the end of that era. I feel ya.

Hard to understand your opinion. Now I quite like that song when I think it´s not made seriusly.

Goddammit.

That was a brain queef. I was thinking of the title track because I always end the album with Lee's big crescendo.

I'm apathetic to Lightenin'.

Sorry. I was talking about "NYC Ghosts..." (the song) every time I said Lightnin'.

Typical, i go 7 or 8 years without discussing the possibility, then i mention it once and it only bloody happens. And what do i get for years of praying for bono to die? Nothing. FML

you fucked it all up