Sonic Youth Gossip - how do you feel about The Eternal as a "final album"?

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nurse marked a changing point in my life

meee too. Nurse is still my fav whole album, although I do love some early moments. Nurse came at the perfect time for me to get back into the yooth again (and noise rock).

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Originally Posted by Murmer99

It really doesn't have to be anymore complicated than just realizing the majority aren't very fond of RR or The Eternal. I have yet to see anyone express a feeling of "betrayal" because they were disappointed in the last two albums... which is just silly.

I actually believe both albums have received an abundance of unnecessary criticism in the past ("past" being the key word), as both are still very listenable. But why would a "serious music fan" settle for mediocrity in the first place? Of course my expectations will be high for this band.... why wouldn't they be? regardless of the preceding albums. My experiences listening to both of those records have been intermittent, and maybe someday I will appreciate them more... but right now that just isn't the case. It has more to do with preference than anything else.

And no offense... but to me it sounds like you're attempting to invigorate something that even you don't think is a big deal (apparently). I will stay loyal to them and whatever the members do elsewhere, that doesn't mean I abruptly begin feeling like the band has betrayed me because I was disappointed in their last album. I do however question why you'd want them to persist in releasing records that are merely listenable, and have hardly much else to offer aside from that.... as it could result in deplorable redundancy.

Not thoroughly enjoying the latter part of SY's career isn't really relevant when it comes to posting on here, is it? The Eternal was released in 09, and for all we know that was the final studio album we'd ever hear out of them again. But you're still visiting this board, no? I firmly agree with a lot of demonrail's comments, and they're still probably my favorite band of all time. They have done enough for me to accept whatever direction they choose to pursue... This is a very similar outlook I have on many artists whom I admire. I don't expect them to be impeccable... every single piece of work a masterpiece. This doesn't make it impervious for me to dislike something they've done.

It seems you don´t understand what I have written or you just don´t want to understand what I have written. I think you haven´t been as active as I in this board, because you think here are no fans that think Sy has betrayed them. Just search old "rather Ripped" thread and you can read how much hate there is about that album.

You can think am I serious listener or not, but I don´t want to listen music that is mediocre. But that doesn´t mean I listen only avantgarde. To me most important thing in music is that it gives me strong feelings and musicmaker has making it putting 100% from himself to it. And in my opinion SY has put 100% all of their records.

Are you really forgetting SYR9 came 2011 (and it´s not SYR release from older material like some others, it is recorded in 2010)? I think it´s recorded in studio, so to me it´s also studio album. And when It´s SY-record, to me it´s totally same is it official or not. After that has came at least Thurston´s two solos, Lee´s Solo, Ono/Gordon/Moore-release and soon Glacial. To me SY is living band and no-one knows are there coming also some new SY-release sometime in the future. But really, if SY will split, I will not be here anymore.

The whole point into my writing is that if you don´t like the newest SY material, why you have to complain about it now and then? I have been great Red Hot Chili Peppers-fan, but I don´t like their two last albums at all. I don´t have any interests to go their message board, but if I had, I wouldn´t go there now then keep on saying how lousy album Stadium Arcadium is. There really has been lots of comments "rather ripped is shit, I hate it" "the eternal is shit" etc. Also it´s not very long time when E. noisefield started thread where he wants to tell he don´t like Eternal. If you haven´t seen them, you really haven´t been active here. I don´t really believe also SY will ever make like for example Metallica, I mean try to do album what fans want to them (Death Magnetic=the worst Metallica album I´ve heard).

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Originally Posted by Genteel Death

Nobody is in any position to suggest how people should feel about an artist's body of work.

It was a question. Not a suggestion. Every single person in this thread is speaking about their own feelings.

Try reading the thread title, reading the posts, and even *thinking* before you try to snark off on everyone.

Smile, Charlie.

i thought Murray Street was their best album since DDN.

Sonic Nurse was way better than The Eternal though, yes.

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Originally Posted by SONIC GAIL

Sonic Nurse would have been the perfect ending. enough said. i still love the etermal thogh.

Based on my rankings [below], I completely agree.

Sonic Youth - 6/10
Confusion Is Sex + Kill Your Idols - 8/10
Bad Moon Rising - 7/10
Evol - 9/10
Sister - 10/10
Daydream Nation - 10/10
Goo - 8/10
Dirty - 9/10
Experimental Jet Set, Trash & No Star - 7/10
Washing Machine - 9/10
A Thousand Leaves - 6/10
New York City Ghosts & Flowers - 5/10
Murray Street - 9/10
Sonic Nurse - 8/10
Rather Ripped - 7/10
The Eternal - 7/10

The Whitey Album - 7/10

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Originally Posted by E. Noisefield

Sweet cheeks, not only you're terrible at writing about music, but you also seem to have problems reading. I wasn't referring to the title of the thread with that but to something Suchfriends wrote on the post right after my first on this thread. Now, if you don’t mind, I am a busy mother and need calm and peace before the kids are back from school.

Due to this thread I've been listening to Rather Ripped and rather loving it.

I can't wait.. to taste yr face!? whoa.

Really though.. RR is noteworthy for SY trying to encapsulate a lot of their different sonics into smaller, pop-structured songs. I do prefer The Eternal for that larger (noise) rock sound.. I guess I never thought of it (Eternal) as a final album because T had joked about it being a play on a black metal title, and I just always interpreted it as that.

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Originally Posted by Screaming Skull

since i have nothing better to do..

Sonic Youth - don't care
Confusion Is Sex - 7
Bad Moon Rising - 9
EVOL - 8
Sister - 10
Daydream Nation - 10
Goo - 7
Dirty - 6
EJSTNS - bad
Washing Machine - 7
A Thousand Leaves - 9
NYC Ghosts & Flowers - 6
Murray Street - 9
Sonic Nurse - 8
Rather Ripped - 4
The Eternal - 5

The Whitey Album - 6

lol.

EJSTNS? Bad? LOL!

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Originally Posted by EVOLghost

lol.

EJSTNS? Bad? LOL!

i was trolling tbh, need to re-listen to it sometime.

you gotta admit i was right about all the other ratings though.

Yeh, yer in the ballpark for most of 'em. Kill yr Idols I'd give a 9 for sure though....and NYC a 9 as well....and Rather Ripped is at least a 7.

Sonic Youth - 9
Confusion Is Sex - 10
Bad Moon Rising - 9
EVOL - 8
Sister - 10
Daydream Nation - 8
Goo - 7
Dirty - 6
Experimental Jet Set, Trash & No Star - 5
Washing Machine - 5
A Thousand Leaves - 7
New York City Ghosts & Flowers - 7
Murray Street - 7
Sonic Nurse - 4
Rather Ripped - 4
The Eternal - 5

The Whitey Album - 6

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Originally Posted by demonrail666

Sonic Youth - 7
Confusion Is Sex - 9
Bad Moon Rising - 9
EVOL - 8
Sister - 9
Daydream Nation - 8
Goo - 7
Dirty - 6
Experimental Jet Set, Trash & No Star - 1
Washing Machine - 6
A Thousand Leaves - 9
New York City Ghosts & Flowers - 8
Murray Street - 6
Sonic Nurse - 11+
Rather Ripped - 6
The Eternal - 5

The Whitey Album - 4

fixed that for ya ;)

Think RR would've been a great finishing album, some super-arch meta statement about avoiding cliche by writing conventional material, doing it damn well then disappearing into the ether with but a wry wink from Thurston to let us in on the joke. Also, the PROBLEM with The Eternal is that it sounds a bit like every other record but without the edge of the earlier stuff, the sprawl of the midperiod or the melodicism of the latter, and though I'm not normally toooo bothered about production values Protools-ing or whatever a band that rely so heavily on tone is a crime against humanity.

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Originally Posted by Screaming Skull

Based on my rankings [below]Sonic Nurse - 8/10

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Originally Posted by louder

Sonic Nurse - 8/10

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Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

Sonic Nurse - 11+

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Originally Posted by Murmer99

Sonic Nurse - 10

That's probably the album I've listened to least. It's never grabbed me in any way but, given its almost across the board love, I'm sort of curious to give it another go now.

Have it on now.

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Originally Posted by demonrail666

That's probably the album I've listened to least. It's never grabbed me in any way but, given its almost across the board love, I'm sort of curious to give it another go now.

Have it on now.

this thread just made me give Sonic Nurse another go, myself. i do enjoy the album a lot more than i remembered. maybe i should've rated it even higher than an 8.

Sonic Youth - 8.5
Confusion is Sex - 8
Bad Moon Rising - 9.5
EVOL - 6.5
Sister - 7.5
Daydream Nation - 8
Goo - 4
Dirty - 6.5
EJSTNS - 7.5
Washing Machine - 5.5
A Thousand Leaves - 10 + + +
NYC Ghosts & Flowers - 8.5
Murray Street - 8.5
Sonic Nurse - 10
Rather Ripped - 3
The Eternal - 5.5

My current feelings.

Sonic Youth - 8.5
Confusion is Sex - 9.666
Bad Moon Rising - 9.4
EVOL - 12
Sister - 9.777
Daydream Nation - 10
Goo - 9.75
Dirty - 8
EJSTNS - 9.2
Washing Machine - 9.54
A Thousand Leaves - 10.8
NYC Ghosts & Flowers - 9
Murray Street - 9.764
Sonic Nurse - 10.3
Rather Ripped - 8.67
The Eternal - 8.9