Yeah, I support BLM and will be voting Biden/Harris.

So I guess you can!

Wouldn’t it be wild if people used the BLM movement as a deterrent against getting the most racist president since the pre-Civil Rights era out of office? Wouldn’t that just be a riot?

I normally disagree with Robert Schtuck (or whatever), but the left really has become self-defeating. As someone who was raised in a firmly progressive household in the ‘80s, and can see the strides forward between the Reagan era and the Obama era — even with all the blemishes that administration had — it’s extraordinarily disheartening to see liberal voters actively working against their own interests, but then again I’m used to it. Haha.

Sev, I have no doubt there are others such as yourself who will try and do both......let’s look at what you are supporting:

Black Lives Matter and the Family

The organization’s website says:

“We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.“

Why Marxist Organizations Like BLM Seek to Dismantle the "Western Nuclear Family"

“This idea isn’t unique to BLM, of course. “Disrupting” the “nuclear family” is a commonly stated goal among Maxist organizations. Given that BLM’s founders have specifically claimed to be “trained Marxists,” we should not be surprised that the organization's leadership has embraced a Marxian view of the family.

But where does this hostility toward the family originate?”

How Black Lives Matter’s Antagonism To Marriage And Family Hurts Black Americans

BLM seeks to dismantle the very institution that research consistently shows is most likely to aid and empower black Americans: the natural family.

“As Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. noted, “The group consisting of mother, father and child is the main educational agency of mankind.” King was speaking of the nuclear family.“

“But they don’t stop there. Black Lives Matter also advocates other family redefinitions long at odds with most African Americans’ views, stating, “We foster a queer‐affirming network. When we gather, we do so with the intention of freeing ourselves from the tight grip of heteronormative thinking, or rather, the belief that all in the world are heterosexual.”

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As a human being, there are so many things to dislike Kamala Harris. She ran as an “Indian” when running for the Senate, but she now identifies as “black” when selected as the VP candidate......do the free minded freethinkers not realize this because Kamala did very little to “help” the black community when she had the power and authority to do so!!!



Kamala Harris Turned a Blind Eye to Police Brutality

How Kamala Harris Fought to Keep Nonviolent Prisoners Locked Up

“Harris and her legal team filed motions that were condemned by judges and legal experts as obstructionist, bad-faith, and nonsensical, at one point even suggesting that the Supreme Court lacked the jurisdiction to order a reduction in California’s prison population.“

Kamala Harris Had Nearly 2,000 People Locked Up On Marijuana Charges

KAMALA HARRIS HAS BEEN TOUGH ON BLACK PEOPLE, NOT CRIME

“As someone from the Bay Area and living in Oakland, I am constantly reminded of her history of locking up Black people in the Bay Area. Her track record consists of terrorizing Black communities through the prison industrial complex and she has consistently shown herself to be an enemy to the masses of Black people.


“Kamala is not for the people. She even defended the 3 strikes law, in which Black people are incarcerated at a rate 12 times higher than whites. Kamala Harris has demonstrated through her actions that she does not value Black lives, but rather supports our death via the carceral state.“

Did Kamala Harris block evidence that would have freed inmates?

“Tulsi Gabbard claimed Harris “blocked evidence that would have freed an innocent man from death row until the courts forced her to do so.”

“Gabbard is correct that Harris did not pursue all evidence in the case she referenced“


Original Pechanga tweet

“Kamala Harris: Joe Biden has a racist past. We can’t let a man like this become president.

Also Kamala Harris: Sure, I’ll be your VP.

Kamala supports APARTHEID:“



I could care less about her race, but lots of Californians feel strongly about it! The way I see it, and more importantly, the way the voters are going to see it come November:

HYPOCRISY = trying to support both BLM and Kamala Harris

that michelle obama speech was great last night

I just watched it. It's a shame that she has practically "vowed" to never seek public office. One can only hope her powerful words move enough people for the U.S. to make a 180º.

Loved Trump gloating about how she had pre-recorded the speech and had said how many people had died from Covid. Basically him saying "Actually it's worse than that now" big brains.

Michelle was equally as poignant before

It was something of Michelle Obama to accuse President Trump of "turning our back on alliances" days after he brokered a peace deal between Israel and the United Arab Emirates, two allies the Obama-Biden administration spurned and placed in danger.

TV News HQ tweet

“DNC TV RATINGS PLUNGE: Initial ratings numbers now coming in show an approximate 50% drop in the DNC’sTV audiences from 2016 on the broadcast nets. Final numbers, including cable news, are due later, but they are expected to show a 40% fall.“

so nice to watch that roll call

Horseshit. The JCPOA was ultimately beneficial for the whole region, just not for Bibi and the UAE. (And the latter are Islamic! The horror!)





Just like his Dear Leader, Dick Cancer here believes ratings are where it's at; forget about truth, intelligence, eloquency, compassion. Anyway, don't worry, DC - with a little luck they'll just have to cut off your balls, which are evidently worthless.

Joe Biden just said: “Hey There, I’m Joe Biden’s Husband”

nice program, looking forward to tomorrow

The DNC’s second night was about normal, decent people. We need more of them.

Opinion by
Jennifer Rubin
Columnist
August 18, 2020 at 10:06 p.m. MDT

Democratic convention producers on Tuesday had their work cut out for themselves trying to meet the bar set on Monday, when slick videos, compelling music and stellar speeches from Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and former first lady Michelle Obama helped put the party’s best foot forward.

A keynote address delivered by 17 rising stars was not so much a speech as a display of diversity and youthful engagement. It ended with extended remarks from Stacey Abrams, who projects maturity, gravitas and high-mindedness. Overall, the address was a smart way to connect with young voters, whose participation Democrats will need in November.

An elegant Sally Yates spoke earnestly about President Trump’s abuse of power and corruption. “From the moment President Trump took office, he he’s used his position to benefit himself rather than our country,” she said. “He’s trampled the rule of law. … Rather than standing up to Vladimir Putin, he fawns over a dictator who’s still trying to interfere in our elections.” She continued, “Put simply, he treats our country like it’s his family business — this time bankrupting our nation’s moral authority at home and abroad. But our country doesn’t belong to him. It belongs to all of us.”

In attesting to Joe Biden’s character, she said simply, “We need a president who respects our laws.” If Democrats want to bury Trump in the suburbs and with college-educated voters, Yates is exactly the right messenger. Should she want a political career, her potential seems unlimited. An easy manner, lovely speaking voice, obvious legal smarts and devotion to principle add up to an impressive package.

Bill Clinton, strategically placed outside the 10-11 p.m. hour of network coverage, followed former president Jimmy Carter and former first lady Rosalynn Carter (heard but not seen), who in their 90s, reminded us how long it has been since they were in office. (The current Democratic nominee is as distant from the Carters’ time in the White House as they were from FDR.) Clinton once more inhabited the explainer in chief, adding in a few zingers. (“If you want a president who defines the job as spending hours a day watching TV and zapping people on social media, he’s your man.”) He was limited to just five minutes, but he showed he can still deliver a political punch. (“You know what Trump will do with four more years: blame, bully and belittle. And you know what Joe Biden will do: build back better.”) But his limited role only served to emphasize this is not his party.

In the ordinary-American-turned-star category, Jacquelyn Brittany, the elevator operator in the New York Times building, spoke earnestly. She recalled that when Biden met her, he “saw” her, and he “has room in his heart for more than just himself.” (Hmm, unlike …):

The trip around the country for the roll call, putting delegates in their home states and territories, was wonderfully entertaining and uplifting, a lovely reminder of the diversity and beauty of the country. Of all the virtual elements that should survive if we return to regular conventions, this tops the list.

A segment on health care featured ordinary people talking about their experiences with life-threatening illness. They spoke movingly of the fear of losing health-care coverage that Trump has tried to take away. Ady Barkan, the ALS patient and health-care advocate, closed this portion. It was heartbreaking to witness his physical deterioration interspersed with scenes holding his young son. This was a powerful reminder that health care is about real people.

Even the section on foreign policy — not usually a crowd pleaser — was turned into a punchy montage of top foreign policy names — including former ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch — singing Biden’s praises and excoriating Trump’s recklessness. A short speech from Colin Powell set up a moving film about Biden’s relationship with Sen. John McCain, narrated by his widow, Cindy. It was a poignant statement of the collapse of the Republican Party, and there was little doubt McCain would have endorsed Biden.

Finally, a film featuring Jill Biden, her family, her marriage and her career as a teacher underscored: This is a loving, loyal and decent family. Speaking from a classroom, she could empathize with the parents, students and teachers whose schools are closed. Her account of coming into the Biden family, making a family whole, came from the heart. “How do you make a broken family whole? The same way you make a nation whole — with love,” she said. She related the loss of their son Beau. “Four days after Beau’s funeral, I watched Joe shave and put on his suit,” she recounted. “I saw him steel himself in the mirror — take a breath, put his shoulders back and walk out into a world empty of our son. He went back to work. That’s just who he is.” She offered something many pine for: “We haven’t given up. We just need leadership worthy of our nation. Worthy of you. Honest leadership to bring us back together — to recover from this pandemic and prepare for whatever else is next.”

The message was unmistakable: These are normal, decent, loving and kind people. We could use that about now.

The highlights: The roll call, Sally Yates, Jacquelyn Brittany, Ady Barkan, the McCain film and Jill Biden.

[quote=!@#$%!]The DNC’s second night was about normal, decent people. We need more of them.

And William Jefferson Clinton's at the top of that list, right? Normal and decent, for sure. Lay off the crack pipe, man.

nice opening commercial with longstanding republicans who can’t deal with the type of person we have in the white house any longer

oh here comes ms. nancy

she’s gonna tear agent orange a new one lolololol

wait no this is hilary wtf

give us nancy

...

OH HERE SHE COMES


ah, i wanted more zingers, but she did great

here’s elizabeth warren making the best arguments for expanding child care

infrastructure!

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“this crisis is on donald trump and the republicans who enable him”

indeed

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here’s barack!

“trump hasn’t grown into the job because he can’t” - i dont know whether to laugh or cry. both, then.

that was such a good speech. listen up, cynics.

well well well here comes our next vp

I'm not at the DNC, symbols. Oh you meant Harris.

Elizabeth Warren subtly saying Black Lives Matter during her DNC speech.

haha yeah, we spotted the letters

i love her policies and look forward to seeing some implemented

julia louis-dreyfus is on ha ha aha ha ah

hell yeah, uncle joe!

I'm still not sure if I want to vote Biden or 3rd party, in a state that will likely go Trump. I'm undecided.

Biden.

See? That was pretty simple.

i’d say do your best to dump trump. at this point in history, it’s a clear binary choice between a return to democracy or more utter disgrace.

i’m sure you can help elect a viable third party for cit council or something, but the rejection of trumpism at the national level calls for overwhelming numbers of people saying “enough.”

it also needs to be a message for the republican party to clean house. they’re being eaten from the inside by conspiracy lunatics.

and for good or bad we’re a country of large tent parties. issues tend to be worked out within them and finally get negotiated in congress. this is why traditionally we’ve had bipartisan legislation.

I don't know that a party whose main campaigning is "at least we're not them" is the greatest thing at this point. It's pretty clear that a wide portion of the US supports a variety of progressive issues, one that (even if the Democrats do win the election) they'll umm and ahh on and in the end offer token support (like the BLM message from Warren that you were all thrilled on - couldn't she have just said it?).

^ this

Hey, not to be patronizing, but… well, I’m probably going to sound patronizing so here goes:

Change doesn’t happen instantly without actual revolution. You have to participate in making the decisions that will tactically lead to progress in the future. Don’t actively aid fascists by not participating or voting for a third party. Vote for the person who is more likely to make progressive decisions (that’s Biden, by the way). That’s the only option without a concerted overhaul of the system.
Biden isn’t perfect, he’s not my choice candidate, but for fuck’s sake, this isn’t the time to take a symbolic stance.

You have two options: vote Democrat or help Trump.

I know kids want “communism” and so on, but that’s not how things work. You want progressive policy? One candidate has a progressive platform and will appoint a progressive cabinet (Biden), but has the unfortunate duty of having to appeal to as many people as possible because people keep coming up with reasons to not vote because Democrats aren’t hardcore enough or whatever.

Just please, focus on what’s important, which is removing the worst president — possibly ever — from office so he can stop, y’know, denying science, spouting thinly veiled racist rhetoric, running the country like a mob boss, quoting famous white supremacists and doing whatever the fuck he wants.
Oh and because he has 169,000 American deaths on his hands and is openly trying to suppress people’s ability to vote, so… yeah.

It’s not hard.

So Trump is responsible for every single American death. You do know how ridiculous this sounds, right?

There's going to be some seriously disappointed people on this board come Wednesday, November 4th.

you’re not being patronizing, you’re being educational.

and it was nicely explained.

i should add that the goobers are desperately trying to paint biden as hostage to “the radical left” by photoshopping him with pictures of bernie and the squad. even though bernie is one senator out of 45 and the squad is just 4 out of 232 democratic congress members. “oooh, nasty women....” get it?

@chocky: time to stop playing at being the clever ally of your own gravediggers.

So...keep kicking the can further down the road, is the advice for me.

i really don’t know what is the best for you.

my preferred scenario is a biden landslide because it would mean an overwhelming rejection of trumpism, but i’m cool with a divided congress where deals are made so that policies can actually endure future governments.

whats your preferred scenario though? remember that we’re talking about a country the size of a continent, made up of 50 states (plus non-voting territories), so your south dakota is just one of 50, with its own constitution and laws and budgets and customs etc.

which president is more favorable for your state? which senator? which congressperson? you don’t have to vote the whole ticket...

i really don’t get what voting for an irrelevant entity achieves at the continental level. in my eyes we’re facing an a/b choice here: more trumpism or no trumpism.

please note it’s not just about trump himself—it’s about a whole brand of lunacy and destruction. that’s why i’m using the word trumpism here. the whole movement needs to go.

This is about absolutely preventing Trump from getting a second term. I can handle having Biden being a disappointing president for 4 years than have Trump be reelected and given the chance to appoint more Supreme Court judges, and do his best to eliminate every environmental and health care we got from Obama. trump is doing his best to erase any progress this country made under Obama. He'd fucking raise Osama Bin Laden from the dead if it meant taking credit away from Obama.

undecideds please take note:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...ld-still-lose/

Opinions
How Biden could still lose

Opinion by Mike Murphy
August 21, 2020 at 2:23 p.m. MDT
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Mike Murphy is strategic adviser to Republican Voters Against Trump, co-host of the “Hacks on Tap” podcast with David Axelrod and a veteran of six Republican presidential campaigns.

After three hard years of fuming over President Trump, it has been a reassuring summer for Democrats. The Biden campaign had a strong convention, capped by a best-of-career speech by Joe Biden. Party fundraising is surging, and the polls look excellent. But a good campaign is a paranoid campaign, especially 70 days before an election.

So even though I think Biden is likely to win, I’m spending my time worrying about how he could lose. Here is what could go wrong:

Biden could still fumble the definition war. Opinions of Trump are etched in stone; we love him or we hate him. Right now, the haters are in the majority and polls show the country is itching to fire him. Trump could try to improve his image, but his braying tone and clumsy tactics never change. Don’t count on the Donald to heal himself. But if Trump is well defined, Biden and Kamala Harris are not. Heading into next week, the Trump strategy is brutally simple: change the focus from firing Trump to fearing Biden and Harris.

The Republicans will pound away at Biden and Harris with all the golden oldies that worked for them before. I was there when Republicans did a nasty new paint job on the once shiny Michael Dukakis. Whether they want to or not, Americans will be watching Fox News-style programming next week as the GOP tries to recast “Pop and Momala” as wild tax-and-spenders, enemies of private health insurance, dangerously soft on illegal immigration, destroyers of the suburbs and purveyors of vote fraud.

Democrats may scoff at this, but these attacks will take a toll. (And truth be told — a rarity in GOP politics these days — the ideological critique isn’t imaginary; Harris in particular has a notably liberal voting record.) Barack Obama used the same define-him-first playbook to end Mitt Romney’s White House hopes in 2012.

The debates worry me, too. So far, the election has mostly been Trump vs. covid-19, and the virus has won every round. Biden’s terrific convention speech smashed Trump’s dire hints about Biden’s mental acuity, but now that he’s a proven home-run hitter, Biden will face much higher expectations. As a Motor City native, I greatly enjoyed Biden’s new video with his classic Corvette. Now get back to debate prep, Joe.

One more worry. I fear a black-swan scenario based on the most reliable force of all: human nature.

We know covid-19 is the true special feature of this election. It has crushed the president’s poll numbers. It has hurt millions of Americans, flattened the economy and made the electorate fearful and uneasy. The fatigue we all share is powerful, draining, exhausting; Americans desperately crave some good news.

Which means you can count on our cornered and unrestrained president to try to manufacture some. He’s already tried with phony cures including old malaria drugs, Clorox and the healing power of ultraviolet fish tank cleaning lights. But in a few weeks, Dr. Trump may “discover” a far more powerful elixir: Tens of thousands of patients are already in advanced trials for experimental vaccines. Whatever the ultimate outcome of these trials, it is certain that murky, highly preliminary news will leak.

Even a whiff of promising results, regardless of how premature they might be, will spark a surge of euphoria. The breathless media of our digital age will erupt. A cure is on the way! Markets will rocket higher and businesses will rush to open, as a huge wave of relief envelops a country sick of wearing masks. It’s all based on our understandable hunger for something good to happen.

This could make for an interesting October.

Trump will move fast to exploit this moment with the full power of his office. Whether any of it is scientifically true will be irreverent to Trump. It will be also be irrelevant to many voters; as every dodgy operator knows, people just want to believe; be it a Bernie Madoff scam, a magic diet book, a Trump University hustle or any other of the cons, large and small, in human history. Trump, of course, understands that all too well.

I still think Biden beats Trump. I’d bet money on it. But not too much money. Only about 7 or 8 percent of the vote is really in play. Some will be convinced that Biden and Harris are too risky a choice. And if only half of the rest feel the cure craze and change their minds, everything can change. Don’t underestimate manias. The most famous example comes from wealthy 17th-century Holland. As most people know, in one particularly speculative moment, the price of a tulip exploded from virtually nothing to the price of a house. How long did it take for reason to go out the window? About 75 days.

It was probably a crazy time. But what would you call this?

See you in November.

Potentially, yeah. Absolutely.
Of course some of these people would have died if he HAD done his job, but, y’know, he did not, and he actively prevented people from receiving the help the needed (catch his standoff with Michigan’s governor?) and deliberately downplayed the severity of Covid, which in turn encouraged hundreds of thousands of people to fill the streets in protest of stay-at-home orders, and emboldened science-deniers in the populace by politicizing the issue and pretending it was a “freedom” thing and not a “we could all die” thing.
Oh and he touted bullshit treatments and non-effective drugs and admitted to stalling vaccine work...
…
Sooooo yeah, I’m putting those deaths on Trump’s tab.
100%.

Cool? Cool.

As much as I don't support Trump, there is absolutely PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY TO LISTEN TO SCIENCE AND REASON that caused its own amount of deaths. He does get his fair share of responsibility because there is the coalition that will only listen if POTUS says so, but the rest should blame themselves for not taking proactive measures to help themselves and others.


The fact that there are people who only act if a government official, that they agree with and support, endorses something is an issue all on its own and disgusting in its own right.

Yeah, well, that's his fanatic 40% (or whatever it is at this point) cult for ya. The guy from Axios said it to his face: I've been to your rallies, they won't listen to me, they won't listen to the media, they think we're fake news, you're the one responsible. I mean, even if you discard the extraordinarily chaotic nature of his administration's response, the dismissal of the concrete early warnings, the profit-over-health policies, etc, this is a president who hasn't told the people of his country to wear masks, to keep a safe distance from each other, to wash their fucking hands regularly for twenty fucking seconds. It's on him.

Jesus Christ, mate, be quiet with your “actuallys” …
There were more protests than the ones you saw on TV (where people were still — ACTUALLY — congregating, often maskless, in and out of vehicles, sometimes WITH LOADED WEAPONRY, bitching about not being able to get haircuts).
Sure, some folks were in cars. Lot of them weren’t. They were still openly rallying against fucking SAFETY. Or they were piling onto beaches or having parties, and people fucking died because of it.
Don’t “actually” me, dude.

Meanwhile, in every piece of footage I’ve seen from BLM protests, masks and other PPE were worn (as long as people weren’t actively streaming and crying from being gassed or shot).

In any case, you’re making a complete tool of yourself by pretending the right to bitch about wanting to ignore public health guidelines is the same as wanting justice for YET ANOTHER innocent, unarmed black man murdered in cold blood by police.

I’m not even gonna stop by here if this shit keeps coming up. I have enough of these debates with morons in real life to deal with it on a forum like this, where people should honestly know better (be better?).

ACTUALLY

i hear you there and personally i took matters into my own hands way above and beyond government requirements, local or otherwise.

nevertheless, libertarian attitudes quickly hit a wall when running into bad policies, because you can control yourself but you don’t control the environment— policies do.

so on your own you may choose to stay home and keep safe; but when you’re required to come to work to an unsafe place, and you have to choose between your life and making a living... and let’s say you live with 4 kids plus grandma who looks after them when you work... the situation gets a lot more complicated.

on your own you might choose to wear a mask but when nobody else around you wants to, it’s kind of pointless.

on your own you might want to get a test or a vaccine but there are none available.

government really has to count for something, and this trump clown shitshow has gone on long enough. biden might not be your perfect candidate but a little more science and reason go a long way.

south korea has 1% *of our death rate*. ‘nuff said.

lmfao what the fuck are you doing arguing with drunkle bob’s inanities and offering to cede the whole territory for him to urinate on while half-conscious?

just put the motherfucker on ignore. in my opinion he only comes here for the attention cuz he’s drunk and lonely. so—just deny him and don’t waste any more breath on him.

then stick around to talk with reasonable people.

What a load of Billy bear bullshit. Must be nice to loudly proclaim nonsense without having to back it up. Basically what Trump has done his whole career.