One quick glance at my own results from that link Melly posted is more than enough proof for me to call bullshit right away.... I'm Taurus by the way.


Rising Sign is in 27 Degrees Libra
Very attractive and popular, your charm helps you to get your own way and prevents others from getting angry with you. "Peace and harmony at all costs" is your battle cry. You always try to ameliorate or to cosmetically hide any physical ugliness or any angry feelings between people. Flashy, but not gaudy, you prefer to dress elegantly. You generally have good taste in music, art and literature. Beware of the tendency to compromise yourself in your attempt to be agreeable at all times. A bit of a social butterfly, at times you can be vain and lazy. For the most part, however, you are gracious and affectionate, and your refined and aristocratic demeanor serves as a role model to others.

Sun is in 02 Degrees Taurus.
You are known for being patient, slow moving and careful -- you love to prolong and savor enjoyable times. You appreciate and need comfort, ease and warm surroundings. Be careful of a tendency to become placid and self-satisfied and to overeat (especially sweets). You require strenuous situations in order to grow and mature properly, even though you try to avoid them. Affectionate, even-tempered and slow to anger -- when you do become emotionally upset, you are also slow to forgive and time must pass before your calm returns. You demand real results from any situation -- abstractions are very difficult for you to comprehend. Very artistic, your hands love to mold and shape things. You portray an earthy, physical sexiness that others find quite seductive.

Moon is in 26 Degrees Libra.
Affectionate, warm and friendly, life must be a "beautiful" experience for you. Unpleasantness should be avoided at all costs. You tend to overlook other people's faults and you would rather give in than fight. You are uncomfortable with strangers, but at ease and sociable with friends and associates. Indeed, you would rather socialize than work -- you can use your prodigious charm to avoid unpleasant tasks. You need the support and assistance of another in order to get you started on any new project -- you are not a self-starter. Be careful of a tendency to be overly self-indulgent (i.e., lazy). Your refined aesthetic sensibilities attract you to music, dance, art and any other cultured activity.

Mercury is in 15 Degrees Aries.
Very quick-witted, you are known for being an independent thinker. You love to debate and argue, and are excellent at repartee and battles of wits. At times, however, you act too fast on hastily formed opinions and thus waste a lot of energy defending your rash and sometimes incorrect conclusions. It is perfectly acceptable for you to defend your beliefs with your usual vigor, but try not to take the opinions of others as personal insults.

Venus is in 24 Degrees Taurus.
You are known to be a warm and affectionate person, and you tend to form long- lasting attachments. The reverse of this is that you can also be quite possessive once you have made a commitment. The beauty, luxury and comfort of your surroundings are important to you and you will devote much time and energy to making your home just right. Beware of your tendency toward self-indulgence, especially with respect to eating incorrectly. You also need outside stimuli to get you in gear When things come too easily for you, you can be lazy and indolent.

Mars is in 04 Degrees Leo.
You are a very proud person. Strong, bold, courageous and self-possessed, you love to be the one to initiate significant actions. When people expect a lot of you, you respond positively and will work hard in order to maintain their respect. But when your dignity or pride is threatened, you tend to become sarcastic, arrogant and domineering. Try not to take any challenge or resistance that you meet as a personal affront. You are very stubborn about your right to live your life according to your own principles.

Jupiter is in 01 Degrees Cancer.
You must be emotionally secure in order to grow and develop. You are happiest when your family and community support and nourish you and boost your morale. Whether your childhood experiences of love and emotional dependability were positive or negative will set the tone for your emotional growth and stability as an adult. When you feel at ease with yourself, you are able to offer assistance to those who need a helping hand.

Saturn is in 23 Degrees Leo.
Extremely self-reliant, you set very high standards of conduct and decorum for yourself, and you expect others with whom you associate to be that way, too. It is important that you had a strong father figure or role model early in life to mold your life course and direction. When you feel that those around you are unworthy or behaving badly, you withdraw, preferring solitude rather than associating with those who might besmirch your reputation.

Uranus is in 14 Degrees Scorpio.
You, and your peer group, demand to confront life at its deepest and most meaningful levels. Very compulsive and obsessive in your approach to everything, you will avoid anything that is casual or superficial, especially when it comes to relationships. You will seek out and explore new methods of healing as well as different ways to deal with deep-seated emotional problems.

Neptune is in 18 Degrees Sagittarius.
You, and your entire generation, are heavily involved in investigating and idealizing foreign and exotic intellectual systems and religious philosophies. The most extreme ideals will be pursued with gusto. You will be at the forefront of humanitarian attempts to improve the lot of those who are in need of assistance. You will be comfortable with the concept of the "global village."

Pluto is in 14 Degrees Libra.
For your entire generation, this is a time of radical changes in society's attitude toward marriage and interpersonal relationships. There is a general fear and awe at the power inherent in making emotional or contractual commitments -- they will not be entered into lightly.

N. Node is in 05 Degrees Libra.
You find it very difficult to be comfortable being alone -- you would much prefer to be in an environment where many people are working together toward common goals. Your charming and sincere approach to others assures your popularity -- you have the gift of being able to ease tensions just by your mere presence. You're the perfect "team player" willing to sacrifice your own importance so that the group goal can be accomplished. Be careful, however, not to become overly dependent on your interactions with others -- you have personal private needs that should not be neglected.

No wait, that part about having good taste in music, art and literature is true... but then, whoever admits (or even realises?) to having an utter shit taste in music/literature/art?


(I take it that everyone who was born at the same date/time and in the same city as me, has exactly the same character/personalities?)

i agree

don't make me stab you in the penis.

I got a book on Chinese astrology yesterday, and looked up my stuff (I'm a Metal Pig/Metal Boar) - whilst I don't concur with everything it says, a lot of it is scarily accurate. It's definitely not anything like a pseudo-science or wishy-washy nonsense.

look up metal horse for me, would you?

Of course, matey! I have the book with me today, so will have a read for you during lunch :)

does it say something similar to this?

The Metal Horse loves to roam. He is self-sufficient and treasures his freedom and liberation. Any type of committed situation is sure to send this Horse running for the hills, so a stable relationship is certainly not his idea of a priority. Horses change jobs and partners frequently because of their need for adventure and their desire to tap into the unknown. This vigor and untamed spirit draws people to the Horse. The Metal Horse will make a better friend than partner because a friendship doesn’t tie him down the way a relationship does.

they got the untamed and unstable part right. other than that, no.

They can struggle with obstinance and self-centeredness, which can lead to a flare of the temper if they don’t get their way. Usually, after an episode or temper-tantrum a Horse can feel remorse, yet not all people will be able to forgive their reaction.

no comment necessary.

each rising sign happens at different times in the day each day because of the earth moving or some physics/astronomy shit like that. the earth is not in the same position at 12:00 on january 1 as it will be on january 2.

yes. but any specific sign won't be at the same time every day. not every sign takes exactly two hours to descend, the earth moves, the other planets move, etc.

okay anyway
this physical appearance business is very interesting to me for some reason. supposedly your physical appearance is a combination of your sun and rising sign.

http://www.astrologyguidance.com/sunsigns/pisces.shtml

you can read about it there, they have all 12 signs and i just learned something very interesting: piscean characteristics have a tendency to be modified very easily by other planets in the chart.

:D :

The rock star who paints his face, wears strange clothes and indulges in outrageous behavior is definitely of the Piscean persuasion. If a woman wears too much makeup or dyes her hair an odd color, you can bet she's a Pisces. Human fish will often personify the glitter of illusion by wearing dazzling apparel and wild colors.

Here's what it says about my personal appearance, as a Gemini:

The Gemini's build is usually slender, of average height or slightly taller, with a certain litheness of limb and movement. The arms may be unusually long, having the appearance of being loosely connected at the shoulders, and the natives may swing them when they walk in long sweeping movements. The features are finely chiseled but soft, with pleasing proportions. The eyes are most often light-colored, and the eyelashes are unusually dark and long, giving some female Geminis a somewhat feline appearance. Even the males will sometimes have eyelashes that would be the envy of many a female. The nose is usually straight, ranging from long to dainty, but never sharp, and the chin is usually well-proportioned and reserved. The general countenance is very alert and intelligent-looking, with a high degree of sensibility in all of the features.

Very accurate, I'd say, and I do have very long eyelashes for a bloke.

that does describe you. i have eyelashes like a giraffe. wonder why.

just for the sake of it
christ, everything's in capricorn.

Rising Sign is in 02 Degrees Scorpio
You tend to be quiet, reserved, secretive and, at times, quite difficult to understand. Others notice your deep emotions and feelings and wonder how to draw you out. Stubborn and tough, you fight for any position you believe in. You are very resourceful and formidable when you become angered or upset about something. You enjoy living life at the cutting edge -- for you life must be experienced intensely and totally. Quite courageous, you are willing to take calculated risks. Easily hurt by others, you often strike back with bitter sarcasm. Sensitive and curious, you are concerned with the deeper mysteries of human psychology. Once you have become interested in any subject, you pursue it with total fanaticism.

Sun is in 03 Degrees Pisces.
Extremely sensitive and emotional, you absorb the emotions of others (whether positive or negative) like a sponge. Emotionally vulnerable, you are easily upset and tend to cry readily. You are at your best when you can structure your environment in such a way that you are surrounded by positive, upbeat people. You are very helpful and understanding of the needs of others. Indeed, at times this can be a disadvantage, because you can be a sucker for anyone who needs help. Shy, dreamy, romantic in nature, you delight in retreating into your private fantasy world. Just be careful that you do not get lost in it! Trust your intuitions -- you may be quite psychic.

Moon is in 23 Degrees Capricorn.
You are serious and shy and very uncomfortable in those situations where spontaneous and exuberant emotional reactions seem called for. An achiever, you prefer doing practical, worthwhile things that produce tangible results. You need role models to respect, love and emulate. You tend to feel that you're a failure unless you get an important and highly respected position in life. Don't be so hard on yourself! For you, practical needs always win out over emotional considerations. Remember that you too have the right to comfort, security and love. Dutiful and patient, when you make an emotional commitment, you sign on for the long haul -- your love is long- enduring.

Mercury is in 14 Degrees Aquarius.
You tend to be very opinionated -- you have strongly felt notions about things and are quite vocal about expressing and defending them. Yet you are also an original thinker -- you enjoy shocking others with your offbeat, original thoughts. You appreciate and need mental and intellectual stimulation. Your judgment is usually fair and impartial -- you can be a good critic because you can remain objective and unemotional about most things.

Venus is in 24 Degrees Capricorn.
You tend to keep your feelings under control -- emotions are only released in serious or important situations. You are distrustful of others whose behavior could be judged excessive or immoderate. As such, you prefer to relate only to those who are older than you or to those whose position is such that respect and duty are more important for both of you than passion or emotional response. Be careful, however, of relationships that are merely based on practicality or utility or you will ultimately be lonely.

Mars is in 17 Degrees Capricorn.
Extremely ambitious, you are willing to work very hard to reach the goals you have set for yourself. Very practical, cautious and conservative, you demand tangible results for your efforts. You need to excel in whatever you do, and you have the required sense of responsibility, dedication and self-discipline to bring it about. Beware of your tendency to judge others only by their degree of status and prestige, or by how well they will be able to advance you in your climb to the top.

Jupiter is in 00 Degrees Cancer.
You must be emotionally secure in order to grow and develop. You are happiest when your family and community support and nourish you and boost your morale. Whether your childhood experiences of love and emotional dependability were positive or negative will set the tone for your emotional growth and stability as an adult. When you feel at ease with yourself, you are able to offer assistance to those who need a helping hand.

Saturn is in 21 Degrees Capricorn.
Very serious-minded and mature, you have the ability to take on responsibilities and to carry out important duties. You can also be trusted to be extremely practical and thrifty. A good organizer, you are the ideal one to be counted on to take a clearly defined project through to its logical conclusion. An achiever, you pride yourself on your ability to focus your attention totally on some worthy goal and then attain it.

Uranus is in 08 Degrees Capricorn.
You, and your peer group as well, seek out practical solutions to a changing society's attitudes to customs, traditions and authority structures. Your logical and orderly manner of dealing with these matters will result in permanent and carefully planned, but sweeping, reforms.

Neptune is in 13 Degrees Capricorn.
You, and your entire generation, will idealize work, practicality and the ability to attain reasonable goals. But, because you will also stress the need to be selfless and giving, you may find it difficult to attain your goals unless you have lowered your expectations on all fronts.

Pluto is in 17 Degrees Scorpio.
For your entire generation, this is a period of intense research and discovery in areas that were heretofore considered mysterious, remote or taboo. The root causes for many complex occurrences will be unearthed due to the intensity and thoroughness of the search.

N. Node is in 16 Degrees Aquarius.
As long as someone else (or a group or organization) appeals to your intellectual sensibilities, you'll try to ally yourself with them in some way. You may find that you always seem to get involved with many wide-ranging groups -- so much so that you find it difficult to fit them all into your busy schedule. Your many friends and acquaintances provide you with needed stimulation. You're loyal and fair-minded -- you try to spend time equally with all your friends, never concentrating on just one or two for any length of time. Although probably quite conservative yourself, you're attracted to those who are a bit offbeat or eccentric -- you enjoy watching their minds work.

^^^That's remarkable - that really does seem to describe you in a scarily accurate way. I got the same node as you (15 degrees Aquarius).

i'm very quiet unless i know the person. then i never shut the hell up.

I can find it hard sometimes to talk to people I don't really know - I'm not very good at small talk at all (in fact, I don't really like it, to be honest). I tend to be better at blabbing once I've had a drink or two, and then I can feel more relaxed and stuff with relative strangers.

Ditto. I'm not even shy, really, I'm just not good at making conversation with new people.

small talk is lame. who needs pleasantries.

^^^Amen to that, sister.

I'm not. I don't talk much in general, even to my good friends. It's just the way I am. I don't talk unless I have something I HAVE to say, otherwise I'm really fucking quiet towards everyone.

Way to generalize!

would you go the fuck away please?

Shut the fuck up.

bite my ass.

My point was that everything that you read in astrology is vaguely generic. And if there are any aspects of a 'reading' or whatever it's called that you disagree with, then it's easy enough to ignore.

Most people find it hard (to different degrees) to talk to strangers, but we talk a lot more once we get to know people.

I didn't realise this was a 'share in my ignorance' thread.

It's about 5 years I'm going to record Astrology meeting (cause my work) and so I know something about this and I think it will be a science one day like it was many years ago.

of course here on internet astrology is 90% shit!

the degrees devide up the sky and are used for measurement of positions.

each house of the zodiac takes up 30 degrees in the sky.



also....zodiac precession is flawed due to the omission of Ophiucus.

the closer the degree is to zero, the more intense that planet/house's influence will be in your chart

Cantanky - I read up on the metal horse stuff this lunchtime. I'll start typing it up at home from tonight, and send it over as soon as I've done it all.

From evening clothes to blue jeans, from the opera to country and western, the Metal Horse is the epitome of a chameleon. Twisting and turning to new experiences, these Horses will go wherever adventure beckons, always bursting with enthusiasm for their very active and productive life. Because of this, their social circle includes some of the most interesting people with opposing and refreshing points of view. Conversation is a high art. Their natural intuition keeps them in lively sync with people they meet. Metal Horses are also very talented people, whether it be in sports, managing the bottom line, or dancing their own interpretation of hip hop. They are most resourceful; if they don't know about a subject, they find the time to learn about it. They never have to lose precious time worrying about what might have been. Although they are very serious and responsible workers and have successful careers, they experience a volatile financial life, up and down, up and down. Although they certainly never have to go begging, they need to exercise financial restraint to keep their lives on a stable course. Love life for the Metal Horse is fine in every respect. They make loyal and understanding partners and they receive the best in return!

hm.

^^^In my book, it says that horse is 3rd yang (ie not submissive), and the horse's motto is "I control"....

I tried to find a picture of a horse listening to Iron Maiden. tried and failed.

curses.

I'll get you next time, my pretties.

hahahahahaha.

For Cantanky - here be the stuff about the Metal Horse...:

The Metal Horse

Outstanding talent and a knack for basking in the spotlight without developing a swelled head are two of the Metal Horse's special qualities. He is adroit, forceful and combative in his driving ambition to get somewhere in life. People usually think of this person as a real "scrapper", someone who is definitely out there, fists up, armed with a strong personal sense of faith in self. Though not truly a pugnacious sort who goes out looking for trouble, the Metal Horse likes to remain on the qui vive, rarely letting down his guard. Metal Horses walk tall, which discourages others who might try to get in their way.

Maybe such bravura is just a defense to hide sensitivity or lack of confidence? Not really. The Metal Horse has a tight rein on his emotions: he must hold himself in check to maintain a dignified and respectable public and private image. He's alway well dressed in a conservative, tasteful manner. He lives in the "right" neighbourhoods, buying or renting in the most prosperous of suburbs or keeping a swish pied-a-terre in the snootier quarters of al the best cities worldwide. The Metal Horse is careful to engage in acceptable, noble, sports activities: tennis, golf, sailing or fencing. He usually marries people from "good" families, joins up-market clubs, sends his kids to the right schools and eats at the "in" restaurants recommended by the "best" critics.

The Metal Horse is a bit of a snob but he has a solid reason to look down his nose at poor fare and proletarian sports. The Metal Horse feeds on material comfort, which he knows he can only ensure for himself and his family if he travels in the right circles, goes after the cushiest jobs and is seen to be better mannered, educated and dressed than his rivals. The Metal Horse is more ambitious than intelligent, more self-driven than a scud missile...and tougher than tungsten.

It is not quite fair or correct to condemn this eager-beaver figure so hurriedly, slotting him recklessly into the empty-headed category of the blindly ambitious go-getter. The Metal Horse is nobody's fool. He is unusually quick-witted, bright and fleet of foot. He likes to stay within the boundaries set for him by society, pays his taxes on time, and never cheats. He is always punctual, looks nice and, what's worse, has perfect teeth. His kids never take drugs and his dog doesn't bite the postman. You must know at least one Metal Horse: he is that infuriatingly well-turned-out person who lives in the lovely flat on the second floor of your building, about whom nobody ever knows anything except that he does everything right.

Obviously, the Metal Horse is far from perfect. He has faults but he hides them. He has troubles but keeps them to himself. He has a heart but it's kept under wraps. The Metal Horse keeps it all to himself because he fears both pain and the guilt of shame. He's skittish on many emotional situations and flees every intimate discussion because he hates to hurt. His cupboards are in perfect order and his kitchen sink shines because he is worried what others may think. His dinner parties are timed to the last toothpick and his car never breaks down because he's determined to appear to be in control in the eyes of his guests. The Metal Horse is terrified of disorder and an excess of spontaneity because something might go wrong if it isn't planned to advance. Life scares the Metal Horse less when everything is planned ahead. When the dishes are washed and the sink is scrubbed and the fire's scrubbed then (and only then) the Metal Horse will allow his compulsive little head to lay itself upon the pillow for a well-earned snooze.

This horse is a bungler. He is always tripping over things and half drowning in his own bathtub. From an early age he starts polishing his image, planning his time slots and setting up sedate covers to hide his inadequacies. He's a walking time bomb of potential mistakes but you will never have to deal directly with them because he is a master of camouflage.

He is a rough-and-tumble lover. Though his technical skills may be excellent, he never seems to be doing much more than performing a job well. He's not cold or without physical passion, but he never lets go. I suppose, as his sensitivities must remain hidden, tenderness and gentle stroking can hardly be his strong suit. If you love one of these effective and ambitious creatures, you will be forced to employ ruse and chicanery to keep him in bed after lovemaking. A Metal Horse is likely to make love and leap up to do the laundry, make a phone call or turn on the TV.

Of course, he is a serious worker. All professions requiring good social skills, group dynamics and team integration are custom-made for the Metal Horse. He can be an efficient boss or a junior employee, but the Metal Horse will not stay an underling for long. He loves hierarchies and thrives on the vicissitudes of climbing the sturdy ladder to success. He adores material wealth and has an obsession with acquisition. Good things with pedigrees and historical references line the wall of his house. You never eat from cheap dishes in the Metal Horse's home and the flowers are always fresh too.

The Metal Horse, however, deplores routine and dislikes confinement. He is a peripatetic soul who requires change and movement. I do not advise him to get a desk job which doesn't involve travel. Action is his best and the more he has the healthier and happier the Metal Horse will be. His need for motion sometimes hinders the Metal Horse from enjoying a sound family life. He can make a commitment - but not to anything which doesn't evolve. If he feels trapped in a static relationship or family situation where he feels there's no room for improvement or modification, he may bolt. The Metal Horse would prefer to live alone than feel trapped in a no-win marriage or love affair. Some turn to drink when strangling in bad marriages or relationships and divorce is preferable to drugs, gambling or lifelong depression.

The wise Metal Horse will try yoga and meditation to temper his fever-pitch existence. Otherwise, the stress he engenders by living through one of his chock-a-block days might push his delicate nervous system over the edge. Nervous collapse is not uncommon in the Metal Horse. Vitamins and a steady diet of grains and vegetables are recommended to aid his sometimes acid and sluggish digestion. He usually chooses to remain fit as he adores sport and excercises obsessively.

When at his best, the Horse is productive and active. He is even thrilled by adversity, considering setbacks mere hurdles. Then, when the moment is just right and the multiple irons in his myriad fire are all meltingly hot, the Metal Horse will leap any obstacle with grace and style. Watch him as he lands smoothly and emerges from his herculean effort, looking smashingly elegant and almost always winning by at least a nose.

Lastly, this Horse is very kind and charitable, giving his time and money for communal and group events. Often these activities are Church-orientated but they might also have to do with philanthropic or philosophical movements. Unusually for a Horse, the Metal Horse is a spiritual soul, who is attracted not only to religion but capable of expanding his mind in search of philosophical truth. He can succeed in even the most obscure abstract metaphysical realms as writer, teacher or physician.

"A Metal Horse is likely to make love and leap up to do the laundry, make a phone call or turn on the TV."


i had a good laugh at that one.


"This horse is a bungler. He is always tripping over things and half drowning in his own bathtub."

that one too.

PISCES - The Dreamer (Feb 19 - Mar 20)
Generous, kind, and thoughtful. Very creative and imaginative. May become
secretive and vague. Sensitive. Don't like details. Dreamy and
unrealistic. Sympathetic and loving. Kind. Unselfish. Good kisser.
Beautiful. 8 years of bad luck if you do not forward.


this is me on a good day...

:D Did you find all that accurate at all?

The highlighted bit are especially true of me....

yeah, pretty accurate

other than when they said i was conservative and i would rather get a divorce than do drugs or gamble.