No, I'm not quite ready for Rea yet. That usually comes with a fascination for patio flooring. Dire Straits (and I must stress that it's just their first album I'm referring to here - although Making Movies isn't too shabby either) are more the feet up in front of a good episode of CSI, ignoring the telephone after nine o'clock, type of an affair.

Soulja boy doesn't piss off parents as much as it just annoys them because it is genuinley awful shit, its not making parents angry because they don't understand it, its making them mad because its repetitive and fucking annoying.
Bad music is bad music, what age you are doesn't make it good...
Why should I listen to regrettable music?

Well I'm done with this thread.

I agree.

The thing is, parents since the invention of the teenager (which is a 20th-Century phenomenon, to a degree) have always dismissed what the kids like as 'repetitive' and 'annoying'. It's really splitting hairs to suggest that there's some sort of 'quality' to youth music. I'm not saying there inherently is or isn't any sense of quality, but kids will enjoy what kids want to enjoy.

When Cliff Richard first came on the pop scene, he was considered rebellious. Early Jazz wasn't understood by a great many of the older generation. 80s rave culture was often dismissed as 'repetitive nonsense' by parents. My parents still think hip-hop is a load of shouting. Elvis wasn't approved of for his hip-shaking. It doesn't really matter about the music itself, what's important to young people's music is that it seperates this generation from that.

This isn't an absolute separation, obviously - the idea of a (particular) individual teenager or parent who fulfills the stereotype entirely is a phantom.

Actually, maybe I should address the parents of this board. Would they agree with me that their kids listen to music that leaves them cold/ aggravates them?

Oh, and to the above - without having paid any attention to your tastes, I'm entirely certain that you listen to music, probably a majority of it, that I (and doubtless a few others on this board) think is 'genuinely shit'.

Fucking NIN! Easily one of this shittest things imaginable! I like it when my unverified, rash claims turn out to be true on the first post I find.

Blimey Glice, I call you to be my rock god, and you haven't even driven your first Rolls Royce into the nearest swimming pool. How much longer am I going to have to wait for that? *drums fingers impatiently on table*

Nine Inch Nails are about as much use as a limp erection, so I'm with the playa haters on this one.

I find myself getting annoyed when I see & hear some of the youth playing tinny bassline/r&b on their mobile phones. As you and demonrail say, this can only be a healthy thing - each young generation needs to have it's own music, culture etc that is defiantly theirs, and which stands as little danger as possible as being co-opted by the "normal" world. Funny to think that mindless violence was also heavily associated with the Teds in Britain, particuarly with their use of flick knives - a case of certain things repeating themselves within each generation?

I do wonder about the kids of record collecting parents though. I was lucky enough to have a proper Dad who hated everything I listened to on spec. I'm going to have a hard time pretending I'm annoyed if my offspring started listening to the (third of fourth) HHC revival.

My worst fear is raising a child that ends up listening to the Rolling Stones.

EDIT: incidentally, I found out recently that I can very much tolerate, and perhaps enjoy, up to one hour of music by the Stones.

My Mum and Dad didn't have huge musical collections, but they definitely got me into listening to music, my Mum with the Carpenters, my Dad with Pink Floyd (and my Stepdad with Led Zep). My Stepdad correctly surmised that the Sisters of Mercy were Rolling Stones retreads in a way, which was nothing to what he thought of me listening to the Buttholes etc all, ha ha. As I was saying to Cantanky a few days ago, my Mum actually liked the Buttholes (weird, eh?), but she HATED the Caspar & Peter Brotzmann album. My Dad thinks Masonna's taking the piss ("sounds like a fucking Hoover, Melly!), but likes Radiohead etc. I've not had the nerve to ever play the Melly parents (holds up wank card) Whitehouse...

Having kids and genuinely liking their music is most cool - I'm sure (being kids and all that) it would horrify them, though....I could babysit them for you and Mrs Glice and send them to sleep with my "I saw the band God loads of times, I did" anecdotes.

I think the missus is going to be the one who does all the 'turn that racket down'-ing, hopefully. I may play them nothing but Bach until they're 6, I think that's probably the best way to indoctrinate them so they grow up to be troubled virtuosos whose father sponges off them like there's no tomorrow.

You've got it worked out nicely. Get them to play really complicated stuff a la Dumitrescu - you could all go on tour and rip the joint up, in a respectfulo and polite manner - demonrail, sarramkrop and I will come to all of your performances, beered up and calling up for requests of "Freebird" and "Dancing Queen".

Ta for the PM response - totally understand about the hectic Glice life. Let us know when you're back up here, it'll be good to catch up again :)

'The Carter Family of neo-Spectralism', I can see the billboards now...

I want my kids to wear KFC buckets on their heads and start shredding from a really early age. The fact that I want that though, means that what they should really do is listen to The Verve. Which is exactly why I won't have kids.

^^ No, no, no! It has to be Girls Aloud or nothing for the kids? How else are they going to appreciate rampantly gay (in the "Glice definition" sense) tunes, and thus sneer at the Verve and all those dadrock groups?

Hmm. You make a good point. Maybe Bach for the first few years, then a crash course in gay, then I'll start playing them all the music I hate just about the time they start wanting to rebel...

Play the Midnight Express at the birth. It'll introduce them to Moroder, and hopefully encourage them not to traffic drugs.

Why would I want to inhibit their growth by warding them off of a fine, and lucrative, career?

You're sounding worryingly like a liberal there.

Play them a Burroughs spoken word LP. Hearing his croaking voice talking about junkies being schlupped up will make them as straight edge as Ian McKaye.

Hmm, I think Ian MacKaye's a humorless cock. Scrap that idea then - play them "Sheela-Na-Gig" by PJ Harvey instead. Yes, that'll work.

I know this is the internet and all, and people run their mouths off all the time... but that was uncalled for, and you've hurt my feelings.

^^^"There's only one way to sort this out..........FIIIGGGGHHHTTT!!!"

I'd love to stay and fight, but unfortunately I have to finish this fag and this coffee and then piss off to Rome. Sorry, Raily old boy.

The baclash against all that fucking shit that passes for charismatic already started. HOORRAY!

i actually like his dry sense of humor.

^^^ He can be a funny man, uhler, that I wouldn't dispute with. I think what irritates me about him is when he goes into "politics" mode - it's nothing to do with what he says (hell, we pretty much sings from the same hymn sheet as far as that goes), but it's how he says it. I always feel I'm being told off every time I read/hear him on the subject. People can talk about politics with a good sense of humour whilst making their point, which I don't "get" with MacKaye.