You'd never noticed the banjo string? He uses it in like every song! You've never wondered how he gets that weird sound?

Also, Raster-Norton has GOEM on it! And NHK. Those two artists alone are amongst my favorite electronic musicians. Even if there is some wank on the label, a lot of those musicians are doing something different in the "mostly just beats and no melodies" experimental electronic music field that autechre works in...

Also, Nevermind is predictable as hell. Versus, chorus, verse, chorus, guitar solo that follows the chorus exactly, chorus. You can argue that about most popular music. And there are a few songs on there that dont' follow that pattern (Drain You).. I'm just saying, it's not a terrible innovative album.

right i got one and this will end the arguement for the moment


or maybe this one too....


ok, im being serious about the last one!

Also, why are you saying HUH? ... Do you not know the difference between soft synths and hard synths? That's the only thing I can think of, as I explained everything else quite well...

yeah coping mechanisms IS the shit! Never heard anything like it.

I think that we are all in agreement that, yes, there has been way too much musicial innovation since 1990.

GAH.. I NEVER SAID NEVERMIND WAS INNOVATIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!


ha! best thread ever!!!

No, I know the point you were making now, I was just replied to greedrex.

sorry! im hungry.. dinnertime!!

si supported stereolab the other week in dublin.... i missed it but it was supposed to be fantastic.. his new stuff is slowly getting sorted.....

i say huh cuz to me softawe synth is so common i would have imagined it used in popular releases before the Ricahrd D james LP, but i must be wrong.

and no i had never noticed the banjo string business in LB. Will mre careful next time i listen, is this the higher string?

I find myself immersed into the whole electro music scene, to me that is where it's at right now. Rock hasn't been interesting since the early 2000's, there has been few here and there, but not many.

Also people are trying way too hard to be avant-garde that it is not appealing.

never heard of si shroeder or never seen the other artwork above it.
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to get some dinner
laters.

Yeah, but soft synths in 1996? I'd say his album was one of the first. Hell, most people didn't even own computers, much less ones capable of running the more high-end software in 1996.

And yeah, that wobbly high pitched "wer wer wowww" sound in a lot of LB songs is a banjo string. He used to play a 4 string banjo and had the 4th string replaced with a banjo string. Now he uses a 5 string bass.. with the 5th string being a banjo string.

Yep. That and noise musics is where the avant garde is at. I said that 6 pages ago, where were you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I'm kidding, but in all seriousness, with all the cheap musical equipment available, the ability for people with computers to emulate any synth or effect, and more and more people just recording albums in their houses and shit... we're truely in a great time for new, sexy, innovative music.

Though most of it will be shit.

I'm still pushing the envelope marked 'spectralism'. I'm also of the opinion that the world hasn't quite come to terms with Messiaen yet.

greedrex..... clear out your pms....

here is the si schroeder album

coping mechanisms (2006trustmeimatheif)

his artists page on the t m a i t label

trustmeimatheif store

^^ you rule Pauly
dling this baby , i see it's RDM 's label, must be interesting stuff.
thank you so much

agreed.

very interesting...
the rednecks and si are long term benchmarks of the dublin scene... simon should be huge over here but alas no...... and he is such a true gentleman as well..

enjoy it, its a brilliant album.

Thanks for the Si Schroeder link Paul.
Sounds interesting.

if it did everything would start sounding lame.

I read a review today where an album was described as "Messiaen-like" today. Can't even remember whose album. Aidan Baker or something.

if anyone is interested, the si schroeder album can be bought via the store link on that post on vinyl as well as cd and download....

highly recommend it to everyone!

nothing has ever been truly created in the history of mankind. There is no such thing as originality. Everything is only an evolution, or different approach to a pre-existing idea or thing. Matter cannot be created no destroyed, scientifically speaking. I believe the same is true for ideas.

So really, there has never been any original music.

yes, that was a good thread
http://www.sonicyouth.com/gossip/sho...d.php?t=26844&

Nevermind wasn't exactly innovative considering most the bands nirvana inspired don't get "it" and just try to rip off their pissed off attitude without backing up proper hooks. But what nevermind is in my opinion is a mastercraft of POP and an evolutionary jump in pop rock so to speak. It may have not been the first band to mix punk with beatlesque music but they were the best at it.

good call.

Actually in my opinion that's what most music is about. Obviously music is a personal creation based on interpretations from other music we heard. I've seen this said by alot of you and agree but another point hidden in that very point that I just thought of, by way of my previous post....

is that there has never really been a band that has done something completely different and absolutely 100% original. Most rock n roll bands have taken tiny tiny hints from their favorite (i'll say top 2 or 3) influences and just kind of mixed it and made it their own.

It's not about doing something new (lying) but more about finding what you like and what you're good at, and fucking owning that shit. Do it better than anyone else and if you're lucky you may just add something new to it in the process.

Think of a famous rock n roll star, of the 50s when it "started".

Buddy Holly.

His band the Crickets? All legendary Swing musicians...

and u can hear it.

But buddy Holly isn't "swing".


I wonder if this makes sense or if someone had mentioned this theory before...I'm falling asleep..

You're not wrong there. I started fiddling about with a load of palindromic rhythms and modes of limited transposition - utter shite, it sounded (there's always the argument that everything I do musically sounds shite, mind you...)