Your parents had guns? Ecky thump lad, all we 'ad as when wuss growan oop were two ferrets and a scowl. Ye must be right soft lad.

so you just resign and say ah well that's what it is.

two ferrets and a scowl! you must think your cock a the walk with all that high class swankery. all we had was a candle, in t' winter we could light it.

nice use of ecky thump, haven't heard that for a long time.

did they call it an "EPIC FAIL!" ?

sure why not.

see, that's funny?

what I find amazing about people is their ability to do selective reading.
ignore somethings and interpret what they want.

i hope that's not what they call debating.

someone says i'm cool but not entertaining, not as entertaining as charles manson which should have been my life's goal.

reason is not really that entertaining.

Candle, he says! Candle, young man? In my day, candles were what posh folk would as wipe their arse with. Ye soft bugger, in my day all we 'ad were two pebble and half and ounce of rats' tail for lighting winter light, and we were bloody grateful for that, I tell thee.

I didn't think I was gonna trigger some bullshit with the word british.

its all in a the best of fun, spiffing chap that glice is.

Taking the piss out of northern stereotypes is not bullshit. Short of actually being good at a sport, it's all we've got. It's just odd to find a northerner who's figured out how to turn the computer on.

there is some relevance to some of those facts but for the most part it is just dead end anti-gun rhetoric. There are worst case scenarios and there are best case scenarios. You choose to point out the worst as say all end all to any benefits to owning a gun. You have conveniently ignored all my points and haven't commented on scenarios involving guns working in the owners favor.

And most importantly, as a gun owner.... non of of your so called facts relate to me personally or anyone I know so now you are just generalizing.

It's like saying I demand they ban alcohol because some people drink and drive, while the majority would favor alcohol as they are capable of drinking responsibly. It's the exact same argument minus your fear factor of guns.

I guarantee more people own guns responsibly and without incident than those who do and are involved in a murder with one.... in fact, I'd guarantee that that ratio far outweighs any worst case scenario you've portrayed. I'd also guarantee that more people who drink alcohol get into trouble as a result than those who own guns get into trouble as a result of owning a gun. So, shall we demand that they ban alcohol as well?

I know there are worst case scenarios and best case scenarios, the point is HOW OFTEN each one takes place.

Somebody already mentioned that, driving can be dangerous therefore drivers have to be under governmental control.
But cars are made for transportation, guns aren't made for anything other than hurting things/people/animals.

As with alcohol, yes they get into trouble, but the consequences are what matters here. How often do drunk people get into trouble that ends up in someone getting killed? well, let me think, normally when they have a gun.

no, I found a cardboard box that had blown in from New Orleans, wrote a demand for protection on it with my blood and marched down unnavigable streets cluttered with pine trees to protest at the steps of the capital building. WTF do mean?

and you've failed to illustrate how you would resolve the gun epidemic.... round up everyone's guns, one house at a time?

Some countries have paid people for their guns, others have demanded them back.

Ideally, gradually control should get stricter and stricter and production by the manufacturers should go down, which would benefit them all. As that happens, it becomes easier for authorities to find out where criminals are getting their guns from, and harder in general to get hold of one.

interesting input, always.

OK, I fail to see where and how you disarm the millions and millions of citizens of their guns.

Part 1.

Oh, definitely. there were many layers to that screenshot. Most noteably, the bfg 9000 (aka BIG FUCKING GUN) was shoot Satan in Hell.

also, in all honesty, don't you think that criminals, thugs and drug dealers will still have guns... obtained illegally no matter what? So now you've disarmed the law abiding citizens while criminal, who don't legally own their guns anyway will remain armed?

yes, they will. like they do in most countries.
and still, less people get killed than in the us.

most people are killed by their loved ones, someone they know and themselves.

Very good point. If guns are banned, only criminals will carry them. Criminals and decent people (whatever that means....) that don't mind breaking the law.

Wrong. And I'm not talking about the relative merits of gun control on either side of the Atlantic.
You are completely and utterly failing to grasp the fundamental concept of a comparative ratio.

I think by 'completely and utterly' you mean 'deliberately and for personal amusement'.

I honestly hope so.

Speaking of comparative ratios though, did you know that as few as one in ten people object to gang rape?










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why is this thread still going.

this is relevant too, but ultimately, I'd like to take that into consideration and determine for myself if I want to own a gun or not.... ya' know, the whole principle this country was established by?

I can ball you're whole argument up to "I personally know little about guns, I have no experience with guns, but I can do a google fact check on them and because I'm uncomfortable with guns, I sure would be a lot more comfortable if nobody else had guns." You'd be objecting you're will for your own piece of mind on others, it goes completely against what this country has the potential to not be.

The problem is if YOU (or anyone) has the right to own a gun that could potentially hurt ME (or anyone).

The idea that most citizens are sane and balanced enough to have that power in their hands is insane and irresponsible, reason why the US has the highest murder rate in the industrialised world, and the vast majority of them aren't people defending themselves, but people killing each other for stupid reasons.

Reason why they do it? Because they can.

I can see that being a problem, yes...

But at the same time, being not allowed to own a gun could effect me (taken I owned one).

The world isn't about any given individual, nor should it be. Shit, it isn't really even about our rights.

This is one of those things, when I break it down, I can see how anyone on any side of the fence has a good point. I just happen to be standing closer to one side than the other in my personal beliefs...that again, really don't matter too much.

Hey... we had this fight before and I am seein some crazy shit. I was at a business lunch at a restaraunt on a golf course in Orlando, Fl about a month ago. I look out the window at some dumb ass HICK has a rifle at the table with him tags on it and all. WTF?????????? Everyone was just staring at him all freaked out lookin. It is not legal to do that in FL. THere are actually pretty strict guidelines for fire arm holders in this state.I was speaking on behalf of gun owners before, but somehow I failed to remember how fucking stupid most of them are. So to be clear, I think it is ok to have a shot gun or rifle AT YOUR HOME or the hunting club (not on your person) for purposes of protection (mostly animals) and hunting for food. THere is no need for people to own automatic weapons or for guns to just be handed out to any fool who comes along ready to buy one.

have you ever personally been threatened by the presence of a gun or are you just shivering from reading google facts? how has guns affected your life?

The whole "but citizens aren't sane and balanced enough to possess guns" is going nowhere. that can be said for anything. I have to drive roads with these very people. We're all sold cars that can get up over 100 MPH, anyone can buy lighters and matches, I can buy rat poison... all of these potentially deadly items that are routinely trusted in hands of americans daily. How does it make you sound to just say.... "I think americans don't posses the sanity to handle firearms, therefore I don't want anyone to have them"? That sounds like a high-schooler's angst. Where do you draw the line? How do you feel about cross-bows? bows & arrows? slingshots?

You love to flaunt the "highest murder rate in the world" stat but you failed to address the aforementioned factors of drug epidemics, poverty, unemployment rates population densities and other factors as the root of the murder stats. If you're shallow enough to just overlook all of those factors in contrast to other industrialized countries, you're issues with guns (as you see them being the culprit) is just a jaded and convenient cop-out to the true factors behind your numbers.

Some bunny just got repped.

rob said it all right there!

To answer your question, yes I have. I'm entirely sure that I would be dead now if I carried a gun and attempted to do anything, the same goes to a lot of people I know. That wasn't ONE ocasion, I live in a very violent place where such things are sadly common (not so much now as they were before but still). Every fucking time I've heard of a citizen trying to defend himself from a thief with a gun I heard he got shot. In fact, they will often shoot you if they THINK you might be reaching for a gun. Criminals have somethings we don't have: the element of surprise, utter desperation, practice with guns and the lack of fear to shoot.

Most of the time, they don't break into people house's to kill them, that's far from the most common type of crime. Most of the time they don't want to kill you - they want your money, jewerly, car. You're much safer giving them what they want. Now, if they think you might shoot, no doubt they will do it first. You are never expecting it.

I think there is something more sordid about not being in poverty, starvation, epidemics and war and still having high murder rates.

In fact, I think there is something sordid about trying to say: more people die of starvation, and that is supposed to make these murder rates acceptable.

Delusion.

I have had this chat here before.

There is always a rebuttal by ignorant people who say, "if you take away the guns from good people, then only the criminals will have them."

SUUURRREEE thing there buddy.

where do these idiots think criminals get guns? They don't have manufacturing plants, they STEAL them by the PALLET from perfectly legitimate sources. Crooked gun dealers further sell them off to cartels, gangsters and gun runners and label them as "stolen" or "lost" (there are officially 30,000 LOST guns reported by dealers to the ATF every year!!)

LA has proven it, NO GUN SHOPS=NO GUNS, either street or otherwise.

Criminals get their guns from the same places normal people do, and if you want to take away the guns from the criminals, unfortunately you have to take them away from the normal people to.

I won't argue it, it is simply reality. I don't need to argue it, that is what California has done,and newsflash gun nuts, that shit is working. Gun violence is down EVERY year and I am thankful, cuz we got enough of that shit as it is

The UK is the perfect example, relatively no guns to speak of and what is their major problem? Knife fights and stabbings!!!

The UK homicide rate is TEN TIMES lower than just the CITY of los angeles, let alone this gun ravaged country...

WTFFTW.

ATF reported that in 2007 it found 30,000 guns missing from dealer inventories based on its inspection of just 9.3% of gun dealers.

OK, this is going to sound like a stupid question...I get it...but honesty, how do you perceive things to be different if guns were suddenly unavailable to the general public?