The problem with the rioters is they represent the worst in British culture; selfish, obsessed with posessions, unimaginative, incapable of thinking beyond the confines of their own head. Thats why most of them were so dumb they got caught.

they werent all disenfranchised btw, there were loads of people with jobs, apprenticeships, or student courses who still chose to go in there and take shit. Its hard to get upset for the Carphone Warehouse losing profits, but its not like they were distinguishing based on anything other than whether the shop contained the shit they want

that guys actually an atheist, quite famous on youtube for it as well. But he supports UKIP, which explains why he isnt very funny despite the fact hes supposed to be a comedian

actually, I believe it might be the hair. pigs hate longhairs worse than they hate blackfolks. it's my bad luck I'm both (a longhair and a proud black man).

say it loud.

I'd fuckin love for that to happen. Go for the throat in the moment.

I don't think because some people were in it for the sake of it and nothing has been planned or organised that it makes the "disenfranchised" argument any less significant. Or even that they wanted that shit. They live in a world where people are told that they're worth what they can buy. The future does not look promising and more and more rights and prospects have been taken away.

It could be your pantyhose sleeves.

Living in a world where consumer culture pressurises you into feeling like you need status symbols (clothes, cars, fashion etc) is not disenfranchisement. It plays on people's selfish nature, but it doesnt make you disenfranchised.

if they are that stupid, to fall for marketing and hip-hop music so fully, then they should probably just be put into gas chambers

what about the ones who play the accordian?

And your point is? It happened because they're all selfish? It had nothing to do with lack of prospects, unemployment, discrimination, the class system or the economy? and being shot by the police being the last straw? It's all about a blackberry phone?

For most of them, pretty much. These kids are better off economically than i ever was growing up, and the vast majority of them did not go out and smash things up, only the selfish, materialistic few. They looted Foot locker and phone shops because they wanted shoes and phones, not because they were rebelling against society. I know the problems youre talking about, those problems arent affecting those kids any more than they did me and the people i grew up around, its a bullshit explanation.


Read up on what happened, almost everything that happened afterwards was nothing to do with that, it was opportunism. This is the most shallow, meaningless riot in the history of the UK

spare the talented ones, obviously.

Except that it isn't about you when you were growing up.

You can't oversimplify it like that.

But I'm not going to argue since I know now you don't take it so well when people have different opinions.

Anyway, it is ok for the richer people to be materialistic and stupid but the poorer ones have to be more moral and 'dignified'?

Except that it isn't about you when you were growing up.

You can't oversimplify it like that.

Thats why i didnt, because the rioters are not alien creatures to me, where i grew up was as bad as any place in London today. So it cant just be because of poverty, lack of job opportunities etc. Most of these people are in their early 20s or late teens, im 26. Im not that far removed, and their culture is not alien to my experience

But I'm not going to argue since I know now you don't take it so well when people have different opinions.

I will argue my point, seeing as i live here and everything, and if you dont want to argue back thats your problem

Anyway, it is ok for the richer people to be materialistic and stupid but the poorer ones have to be more moral and 'dignified'?

This was the point you made that i agreed with before, standards are different and its easier to make a tshirt theif look like scum than it is to charge a middle class person who can find a tax loophole.

Alright, fine.
I can't be bothered.

so the right wing press have come out and said that the riots are all the fault of gangster rap and like, while completely ignoring the issues of poverty, unemployment, social stereotypes etc etc etc.

And nobody mentions the man who was killed.
And nobody mentions people who don't have a political voice.
Or how the young people have been getting the worst end of everything in Europe and still being demonised and blamed for every possible thing, while they realise the future will be just as bad.
It's very simple: they're evil and selfish and wanted new shoes.

Lol no 1: http://www.digitaltrends.com/social-...-future-riots/
Lol no 2: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-14474429
(100,000 sign petition to have more homeless people and increase crime)

A TALE OF TWO LOOTERS

Dazza is a looter
In trainers and a hood
He trashed his local corner shop
He’d learned that greed is good
The CCTV nailed him
The papers called him scum
Now Dazza’s in the barry place
And crying for his mum

There’s no such thing as society
So steal and cheat and loot
Just one thing to remember though -
Make sure you wear a suit!

Bazza is a looter
In brogues, pinstripe and tie
Short selling in the City
He made millions on the sly
He nicked our hard earned savings
Then turned round and said thanks
He got to keep the money -
And we bailed out the banks!

There’s no such thing as society
So steal and cheat and loot
Just one thing to remember though -
Make sure you wear a suit!

When greed’s the creed that breeds and breeds
What else can you expect?
The selfish scum get richer
And communities get wrecked
Some rob us with an iron bar
Some with a ‘puter screen
And when they say it’s ‘legal’
it’s even more obscene.........

Dazza is a street kid
And what he did was wrong
But he probably wouldn’t do it
If he felt he could belong
Bazza's rich and priveleged
He doesn’t give a shit
He takes us for a load of mugs
And gets away with it!

well this was the wrong picture to use.

that kid is white, is wearing a fairly nice hoodie, looks like he listens to rap and could probably find a job if he wasn't being such a cunt all day.

sorry but i don't feel sorry for these assholes. they don't know humility. they don't know that everyone has to kiss ass until they get a job. they want everything handed to them. the only time they act tough is when the cops can't touch them. tough is going to work a job you fucking hate every day. tough is saving enough money to eventually do something you want to with it. tough is kissing the ass of the people who have money until they like you enough to give you a slice.

these kids are fucking pussies and deserve to live in the gutters. fuck them

I agree with you up to the extend of kissing ass. Man these kids aren't the only ones with problems, everyone has them.

oh sorry, not everyone has to kiss ass. the top 1% of the population that is born rich dont have to. the other 99% at some point have to pucker up / s some d.

either way, rich people have and always will be around. fucking deal with it. if yr a broke ass little bitch, then find something other than consumer goods to go after. try catching rats. try learning to read or speak properly.

the long nights must fly by.

The whole world's turned Daily Mail.

Yeah.
I'm poor, so I have to kiss ass.
I have to read and speak "properly".
And if I couldn't get a job, it's because I didn't kiss ass enough.
But when I kiss ass just right, I'll do it forever just so I can have a place to sleep and food to eat. The top 1% will continue to steal from me (hidden fees, unfair mortagage terms, and why not, making me pay to have my cancer treatment at some point.) In the end, they'll also take public money to save their business and get their private jets. While people around me are struggling. But what do I care? As long as I have a stupid job and food to eat I'll consider myself lucky. Although even the shittiest of jobs and the worst place to live is kind of beyond of my reach at the moment. Maybe I'll take this unpaid internship to gain experience, oh no, that's for people who don't need any money. Kissing ass is being tough.

Just because in the "new world" we're used to unfairness it doesn't mean they have to take it.
But we can take shit in the hope of "social mobility", but that's way less likely to happen in Europe.

double post, sorry.

Demagogy (/ˈdɛməɡɒdʒi/[1]) or demagoguery (/ˈdɛməɡɒɡəri/[2]) (Ancient Greek: δημαγωγία, from δῆμος dēmos "people" and ἄγειν agein "to lead") is a strategy for gaining political power by appealing to the prejudices, emotions, fears, vanities and expectations of the public—typically via impassioned rhetoric and propaganda, and often using nationalist, populist or religious themes. What qualifies as demagogy has been the subject of debate and ambiguity since Aristophanes first used the term, in reference to the Athenian statesman, Cleon.[citation needed]

what he means to say is "you're just being x" where x is "shut up this show can continue the way it is forever DON'T MAKE ME THINK I WANT TO ENJOY MY LIFE!"

I don't suffer from this bug that makes you think you have to sound unbiased when I express my opinions to people, especially if other people aren't making that effort.

Footy goes ahead, yay!

knox, you're a fembot, all you have to do is act slutty around the right businessmen until one of them gets desperate and chooses to make an honest woman out of you

o no you di'in't.

I don't see why you can't do the same.

i would have to do it in much seedier spots, and until this fucking social climate changes, its difficult to do so in america.

i'm a realist, not an idealist

that's cloves tactic anyway

but plutocracy DOESN'T last.

i know you're omnipotent amerigods that can rewrite reality in hollywood and then consume it after the fact thus erasing all the things you don't like. but, em. fuck it. time to sit back and watch this shitstorm unravel with some popcorn.

if i just dehumanize myself enough to not care about all the good people who are going jobless towards ruin it will be tolerable to watch.

the only job left in america is being the one who cuts cicero's head off.

yes, yes, i hear you, you can't wait. you will enjoy it.

don't worry, i believe you.

Right. Not sure about the realist/idealist cliche there.
I'm sorted for now, but thanks for the tip, it's very innovative.

what conjecture?

the cops executed someone.

then tried to cover it up.

refused to talk to the family.

ignored their peaceful protest. as did the media.

(they also ignored all the previous protests and repeated warnings from the community that tensions were high and that stop and search powers were being abused)

when the family and their supporters held a peaceful protest outside the police station, the cops ignored them then one came out and hit a girl who wasn't doing anything.

I had the best reply and now it's gone.
Anyway, the use of the word demagogic in this sense is demagogic. This simplistic 'two-sides' view is more a determination of the listener/reader than anything else.

I never said it's all because someone was shot, and you know I never implied it was that simple. I only find it curious that the Prime Minister hasn't even mentioned it, don't you? After all, it triggered something. I'm not an expert in social studies, but you cannot simply say these people did it because they wanted new shoes. Sure, a few assholes found an opportunity to get an iphone. But they did it because they are pissed off at something, and it was kind of obvious it was gonna happen. I'm not even defending anybody, as I myself have been victim to these demonic English kids who are constantly hostile and violent to any random person on a train. But even then I knew there was something deeper there I couldn't understand. They are really pissed off and don't care anymore. You don't go out setting buildings on fire because you want a new computer, whoever chooses to believe that is in denial. Also, I have a feeling that unless they get a voice things might get worse.