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I was there, Rob.
If you were in a band that put ANY effort into your style at that time (I'm talking Mpls in the mid to late 80s, when it was the epicentre of Flannel Rock), you got all kinds of crap and were called a "poseur" or a "pussy." The "unfashion" of the day was a fashion trend, whether it was born of "utility" or not. This rule also seemed to apply if your band had any keyboard in the lineup that was not a Farfisa. Farfisas were OK for some reason. I point you in the direction of macho sculptors who wear Carhartts and drive pickup trucks. Utility becomes fashion all the time. |
Actually, the Mike Watt / flannel shirts thing was to do with his worshipping of John Fogerty.
http://www.talkbass.com/forum/archiv...p/t-61360.html |
being anti-fashion is NOT a fashion.
that is the same warped logic that religious believers use against athiests. They say that not believing in a god is as much a religion as believing in a god, which is idiotic. |
Everyone has some fashion in them,like it or not.I take care of destroying my trainers so that they look more appealing to my eye.I'm a superficial fucker like that but then again i'm not.Being into fashion and looking after the way you look doesn't always make you an idiot.
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But they were all "anti-fashion" looking in exactly the same way! Flannel shirts, thermal underwear under shorts or peeking through holes in jeans, ski hats, etc etc. It was the style at the time, and the style was hip dishevelment. |
I think being ANTI fashion is a form of fashion, possibly not if you're afashion, if such a term exists.
To be actively anti-fashion means you are making a conscious decision about how you look. And why did Minutemen have the SAME look as each other? And Minor Threat? They definitely had a LOOK. |
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Fashion is a broad term. It doesn't merely mean that which is contrived, that which is considered. It means that which you wear. 'anti-fashion' is the mis-nomer, not the other way round. How can you oppose something without the something being there to oppose? |
You must spread some Reputation around before giving pookie a Trinny and Susannah makeover. |
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ohh my god, you are like tape that repeats all the bullshit rock writers have said for the last thrity years...i mean, without a single original thought. and what do you call all those fashion shows, spreads and ads kim has done for high class designers. and by the way, dinosaur jr are from western massachusetts, that's like the opposite coast as shitvana and dumbhoney. |
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wow, keep showing your ignorance. |
where did I say Dinosaur was from seattle?
nowhere. stop combining different posts. I said kim was stylish. the fashion shows and ads and all that she does are separate from the band sonic youth. |
anti-fashion is not about opposing the fashion trends. it is about ignoring fashion as a whole.
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But that's like saying you ignore musical theory. A lot of people do. It doesn't stop the entireity of rock music that I've heard being reducible to, essentially, fifths. Just because you ignore it doesn't mean you're not part of it. |
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of course you were referring to the aforementioned bands, or will you plea to rhethoric and sentence construction as your weapon for debate (you know "i never said dino specifically") not to mention that the minutemen are from california, that would be a very cheap thing to mention. |
that is very true Glice. But the difference between a fashion conscious band, such as the Killers for example, and a band like TV on The Radio, who individually have their own style, but it is not a thought-out whole-band endeavor to look a certain way, is what I thought this thread was about.
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hey, can someone remember grunge fashion? how about designer flannel shirts?
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Get them!Get them!Eat me!Eat me!
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i live in the northwest and its not THAT cold, much colder on the east coast.
anyway, they are defiantly about wearing whatever they were wearing and being "normal" and just like the kids in the audience, but its ignorant to say that they didnt make a concious desicion to look "normal", and "pure". whether its because there lazy, or they are trying to look cool, it still takes a concious effort. |
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You've just made the point that everyone's been arguing with you about. It's not a question of whether the fashion is contrived, which is a moot point. It's a question of whether their fashion, whether contrived or otherwise, is a good one. For instance, Nirvana looked cool. They had cool fashion (for the time, a bit dated now). It was uncontrived, but it was still a fashion. The Nation of Ulysses or The Bad Seeds look the shit. It is contrived. Some bands have contrived fashion and look shit (The Stereophonics' third album makeover). Some bands have un-contrived, or contrived to be un-contrived, fashion, and look shit (Nickelback). |
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who are they? |
things like the grunge "look" only become a fashion after it is picked up from the original people, who, for whatever reason, just happened to look that way. That is the "fashion" I do not like. Designer flannels were stupid in every regard and most everyone who bought into that is now wearing skinny ties and black suits and moustaches, and wil soon be tired of that nonsense as well.
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please let this emo thing die soon!
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Sonic Youth I'll admit don't dress like anyone else. Or rather, they dress like an average joe. However, when a large group dresses the same that is a fashion or fad. Denying this is fucking stupid. Nirvana, etc all dressed the same. Punk bands may wear what they own. Everyone does. How do you wear something you don't own, asshat? Being punk and anti-conformity causes them to show their own conformity. To be blunt, you're fucking stupid. Granted, you do live in Texas. I can excuse a little bit. I'm not 12. I'm 16. Being a faggot I know far more about fashion than you could ever imagine. I know what fashion is. You're some fat slob with a fried brain who doesn't know anything other than shitty music. Continue to fuck off. |
  There's nothing inherantly wrong with having an imaged band as long as you have the music to back it up. Those who seem to listen to music purely as a fashion accessory do tend to piss me off, but in the end clothes, image, fashion etc are supposed to be about fun, not some big serious statement of your ethics. |
Finally someone read my mind exactly and posted it for me.Repped and all.....
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I'd love that to be a double post because it's too good and the best image-conscious/unconscious post i've read in this thread.
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you know exactly what I mean haydensache.
Most bands we all love wear the shit out of their closets, shit they would wear every single day all day. the "fashion" bands wear stage-specific fashions. BIG difference. |
Hush up Le Boob Instingator!You've said enough.
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 Stage specifiic fashion. Somehow I doubt Devo would have worked in flannel. |
Yay!Yay!Yay!Yay!Yay!
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Yay indeed.
I can't believe it took so long for Devo to be mentioned. |
Hello?The
Residents?Hello there?Can you hear me? |
 Duh! How could I forget? God I love those guys. |
Then again that never really took off as a fashion as such. Shame.
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Best image ever.Hello?Kraftwerk?Hello?Can you hear me?
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.....and that did take off.Hello?
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Didn't The Velvets have to dress all in black because of the amount of film projected on them while playing live as well as protecting themselves with sunglasses?Hello?Hello?Can you hear me?
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I thought they had to dress in black because that is how one Looks Cool.
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if they wanted the films to be projected well, they would have been wearing white.
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