language is not a concept, unless you're talking about the word "language" itself. but if you look at what the concept points to ("the thing itself"), language is not an invention but rather a function of the human brain. saying that adults introduce children to the concept of language is like saying birds introduce their young to the concept of feathers.

All the research shows that babies understand language and grasp it w3ay before they are able to make the language sounds with their mouths and voice boxes.

In other words, as soon as a baby starts hearing it's mother's voice in the womb it begins to sort it's brain through the symbols of language. Children who cannot yet communicate will try to nevertheless, and grow very frustrated that they cannot communicate what they want.

Children between age 1 and 3 can be taught American sign language and converse in it, because hand signs are easier for their bodies to do than the severely complex muscle movements needed for oral language. Once the children reach age 3-4 though, the brain switches gears and the sign language learned is lost, to be replaced by "proper" symbolic language.


Reading is fun.

I enjoy making other people feel miserable over MY use of MY time.

It's TIME that the foes of freedom fuck themselves.

fucking drama queens.

lol

I would REALLY enjoy a domesticated human with a buttplug tail and snap-on ears.

Foes of Freedom.

That is a good name for a band. imagine the audience that would show up for that shit.

In american, amped up meth-head gorillas are allowed to eat as many crunchy tacos as they can.

My band was named Antenna Fingers, at least it was until I gave away Rock Band 2 to the guys at Hate House.

Rock Band 2 was serious music that required skill. Not like those guys who just sit there, smiling and twisting random knobs.

or hitting play on their flash drives....

No shit. What happened to real music?

Rich boys with toys their mommies bought them happened.

RIP Skronk - welcome in the dance-a-teria types. :rolleyes:

I drew a picture of _slabo_ enjoying our thread.

hahahah! _Slavo_ cares not for time! What is time to a drone master? When compositions run into the hours-long.....

what about BULL OF HEAVEN?
http://www.bullofheaven.com/

These guys care not for time either! Some of their pieces are longer than 24 hours long!

Oh, I love me a three hour song, but my tastes are more inclined toward Year of the Lips.

Here's #%%$#% driving a bucket of popcorn down his gut, while replying to something that has nothing to do with time.

must spread time before it not existting. or something...

true masterwork

have you thought selling these at sotobies?

Not necessarily true, it is a chicken and egg kind of question. Language as we know it is taught, but some folks have suggests the infant mind is a blank slate. Personally, I feel that infants and children have thoughts and feelings which transcend language, which in fact are limited by language. The thoughts and experience of the pure mind is beyond any kind of language. There are not words to describe, convey, or explain these. Infants and children live in this realm, and we domesticate them into our reality, to communicate mutually our living dream. Kids forget the beauty of what they knew as they try their best to then learn what it is we think we know.

we still have thoughts bigger than language which is why we have poetry and music and art!

re: language-- read steve pinkert! awesome shit. "the language instinct" is pretty old now (20 years?) but the neuroscience backs it up. sapir-whorf is wrong, tabula rasa is wrong, the language police is wrong and kant was right! good shit. read pinkert-- it will blow your mind-- you'll have tremendous fun! guaranteed or your money back. scout's honor!

True indeed! We converge entirely on my point. Infants and young children having yet to be fully domesticated by the confines of language, syntax, and vocabulary, live only in the realm of thought and experience which we adults use art to explore. What is worse, we adults try our best to use language to describe art, knowing damn well it always falls short. Children I think know better. If anything, they only learn language to try to communicate their transcendental experience to us adults and share it with us, but alas, they learn as we already know that it is Pandora's Box, it is the Exile from the Garden, it is young Siddhartha leaving his father's palace..

the young siddhartha enthousiast by the samana's passing by in his village
the drive for adventure, the drive to go into the big world, the unknown

like the satellite king brought me into the modern world were humans found the higs boson and landed the second marsrover on mars

in the name of satellite king and the light of the future he shined upon us
his mighty infinitive a*beam

i like joseph campbell but no, thought was never limited by language in the first place. syntax doesn't do that. the notion that language shapes the parameters of thought is just a bad myth started by clueless anthropologists and perpetuated by cultural critics in need of employment. srsly, read pinkert--

or, in other words, while i see foucault's point here, the science shows chomsky got it right-- there is a human "nature", and action >>> language wars

You scientific empiricists are so very British that its adorable ;)

I like to think of time as a physical dimension, much like length, width, and height. We can't understand it because we don't know what it would look like, but I like to imagine that if you had the ability to see it as it truly is, you could see the beginning and end of an object in time just as you could see it in space. Kind of like how the aliens in Slaughterhouse Five saw humans, like big caterpillars with a baby form at one end, an old man at the other, and every stage in between... in between. Except not so literal in a way that we can understand. Like you could see a chair sitting in a room; you could see how tall it was, how long it was, how deep it was, and it's entire duration.

Something like that anyway.

you just blew my fucking mind, however i am a simpleton.

i sort of hate Cixous for writing Hyperdream.
i always wanted to write smth about time and she has written things i would, in the first pages of this book.

I love any book dealing with time, I will check that out.

Although I will admit, that's not why I'm replying to you. Here is why: Do you seriously have over 2 billion posts? There is no way. Error? Manipulation? Have you actually figured out how to configure time to meet your petty message board needs? I'm dumbfounded.

no, of course i dont seriously have that many posts.


time consumes my thoughts in ways way far from a message board.
do read Cixous. Hyperdream is not exactly about time though. but she is brilliant and you will like her. of course i read her in english translations, unfortunately i dont know french.

do it anyway.

yes, thanks. i should.
i should had taken notes of random ideas i have had, because if i just think about it, its all blurry.

DON'T LET THIS HAPPEN

you can also see it like this
what happens inside the brain?

7 billion brains from the same DNA group

7 billion variants of IQ

ok now what we all know today with evidence
is that these 7 billion brains are 98% chimpansee simular in DNA and in behaviour most close to bonobo's

now think that you apply for a job

you take your resume with you where sez
-DNA 98% chimpansee simular
-bonobo behaviour

?

do you think you gonna get the job?

belibe me everyone who you gonna see or hear in your life has that resume
including the one you see in the mirror

well everyone who has a job has that resume but not writting in that reality
-don't ask don't tell- has a funny after taste
after people got bored and start to witchhunt gays in the army

anyway

the piont is what happens in the brain?

as all brains are universal
so are they also part of all lifeform

simularity is the key of universal life ;)

lifeforms are simply bio-activity of braincells and brain nerves transporting blood to different parts of the brain

the essential brainworks of an animal

if human meets modern technology it also meets the information it gives
this can be of the micro cosmos, kwantums or macro cosmos, galaxy's and solarsystems

my animal brainsystems don't supplie systems that can read this information
i'm not born to recieve input from modern information
my brain has it's devellopments set on finding food and walking on 2 legs in this set of evolution
that is what my natural birth is designed for adapted to to stay alive

we are also humans that made tools that give us this information
the truth stays that our brains are not made to have that input
because the survival strategy of billions of years of evolution is focused on food

so humans have to make clear, that is what i find and think, that there is a difference in the brain

the basic universal bioactivity of the brain
and the information that it can recieve in these days of modern technology are two different things

the human brain has no place to recieve that information
and from there that most humans find it difficult to even imagine how big the universe is
simply because our bio-activity inside the brain is not develloped in that way

this gives then the option to the human to hold this modern information in the memory part of the brain where there this information can be used
for example finding complex medication to stop a deadly virus

i know it is very difficult and complex sometime if you speek about the brain and how it works

what i want to say is that in our origin we don't have it

we don't have this acces to this modern information

all other animals on this planet don't have this acces

humans can live like animals perfectly like they did before the human started to walk
the basic bio-activity of brain

humans survive perfectly without this modern information because they have their natural survival strategy

if chimpansees and bonobo's can survive/exist without modern information, so can humans live that basic

if humans today with their moderntechnology, computers, internet, spacestation want to speak about the information age

if people want to speak like that then i find that they also need to be correct on all the information out there recieved from the use of modern technology

we all have a natural intrest for the world around us
other animals have this too

and so along the way of stonetool makers to modern technology
different stages of human intellectual capability

There exists a part of the human brain, not fuond in other animal's, which is purely related to language cognition. That shit is dope.

does not make us BETTER than other animals though, for they have parts of their brains which let them sense sonar signals, or electrical impulses, or see in ultraviolet, or even telepathy, whio knows?

Time is the dimension that allows for change.

Change is the one constant in the Multi-verse.

Time rules. Without Time everything would happen instantaneously. The Diamond Sea would be all of one picasecond long!

it is also so mr robert shrunk that everyone is born with what nature give you
some have more iq then others
also conditions where the child grows also decides how the brain devellops

what is born is good, leave nature like it is
humans don't need to win from nature , win from life

I have always thought you were pro-Euro. Admittedly, that may be due to my own insistence at lumping those from the United Kingdom in with the rest of the unwashed and terribly smelly Eurobeasts.

Lately, I've been trying to temper my disdain toward them; mostly due to the rapidly approaching TIME of my own inclusion in The Commonwealth.

God Save the Queen.

ps: lol@diminution.

poor robert is just talking to a narcissistic nutjob on the false assumption that he's actually being heard out (he isn't, of course). he's got a point at least about the french though-- as far as i understand, it's very much like that (the state harvests the top achievers).

anyway, all this talk and announcements of ostralia this and ostralia that but nothing happens-- when will you finally GTFO of 'Merica?

it's not that we need you gone of course, but it would be nice to see you write about a different subject, like, the actual (not imagined) taste of kangaroo taco.

so-- when?

anyway, back later to discuss broca, etc.

No, traveling is the enemy of prejudice, the sad reality is plenty of scientists and science-minded folks are as bigoted and prejudiced as anyone else. Science doesn't negate prejudice, in fact, sometimes it has the propensity to enforce it by pseudo-intellectual superiority complexes (e.g. Richard Dawkins crowd)..

As to time, none of us experience time. Scientifically or philosophically time is something the human mind avoids because it is completely outside of human control. The mind is great at measuring things and at complaining, so it prefers to dwell in the memories of the past, and the fears/fantasies of the future, where the mind has TOTAL control. Time only actually exists in the present moment, and the nature of the reactionary human brain is to exist a split-second after the present moment has already past. Spiritual practices are to tune the brain through experience to live in the present moment as it exists, and not to dwell in the past or the future. Only God exists in the past and the future, we do not, neither do our brains. So time for us in all intent and purpose doesn't even exist.

I just thumb-typed a multiple-paragraph reply, only to have it lost to TIME.

will have to wait A FEW HOURS before I do it again...

accidentally write your name wrong
no disrespect, find it intresting to hear your thoughts