well i do

edit: well i don't know if i'd say it was one of the best albums of the 90s but it is a great album, and definitely the only really worthwhile thing that hole has ever released.

Even after 8 years of listening, Captain Beefheart still blows me the fuck away. I mean, the dude hasn't even recorded anything in nearly 30 years, and yet he is still the standard by which "experimental rock" is judged. Has anyone even come close? (yeah, a few have come close) He basically made his own language, yet every album is really different than the one before it. Just loaded with ideas, and he pumped them out at an incredible rate. When I listen to his albums, it's hard to believe that a musician like this actually existed at all. I mean, even after 1000 listens, this shit still confounds me. What really is amazing is how effortless it all sounds. Besides a few instrumentals, and actually a few songs on "Lick My Decals Off, Baby", the music usually sounds quite relaxed and organic.. it doesn't sound like the musicians are being pushed to the limit too bad, which really boggles my mind... how much further could they have went? Better yet, where did the Captain find these fucking people? Zoot Horn Rollo played with all 10 of his fingers. I mean, what the fuck? How do you find people like that? The only sad thing about Beefheart's music is that it really should have changed some things. There's no drummer out there like John French (I can think of a few that come close, like that girl from the Warmers, and even some of Greg Saunier's surprisingly 'off' beats) -- instead, we're stuck in the 4/4 "mother's heartbeat" rhythms forever. I dunno, the music is so weird, because it really is so... I can't even put my finger on it. Have you ever tried to play a song like a Trout Mask-era song? It likely just sounds like a tuneless racket. He made the tuneless.. tuneful. That's what's really amazing about his music.

while I have grown in my appreciation for the beefheart, he was not doing anything that thelonious monk did not do better 30-40 years before in terms of "tuneless tunes".

i had an album by come, but i gave it away, it didn't do anything for me

I saw Come play live once - they were OK, but not much more than that. I prefer the other Come, which is William Bennett in pre-Whitehouse mode.

It took me a while to really get into Come (the Thalia Zedek, not William Bennet version) but since I have, 11:11 has become one of my most played albums. It sort of creeps along without seeming to do very much but, well yeah, I dunno, I love it but fair enough to those who don't.

The Afghan Whigs are good.

most musicians are at their most best when they're smacked off their heads

This.

did i just say most best?

damn.

double positive?

doubleplus good.

Speaking of 1984...I can't stand Van Halen.

WHAT?!

Early Van Halen is amazing. "On Fire"!

David Lee and Eddie just get on my nerves.

van helen as opposed to van hagar, is fucking awesome.

Ha ha ha, van helen. I'm calling them that from now on.

The Runaways are equally as great as the Ramones. Joan Jett/Lita Ford wrote riffs equally as good as Johnny and Dee Dee.

re van halen
eruption is genius

Buzzcocks>Runaways>Ramones>Clash>Sex Pistols

FEAR>Buzzcocks

ramones>talking heads>clash>damned>pistols

I fucking hate the Clash.

The Clash? They leave me cold and bored on record, by and large. Early footage of them is amazing, but their competence and earnestness killed it for me. Gimme the ramshackle Slits or we're-as-cold-as-fuck Banshees.

this is about right

stooges > patti smith > clash = ramones > gun club > talking heads > runaways > television > blondie > voidoids > buzzcocks > pistols >>> damned

not going to strictly adhere to that, but it's pretty close for me. i usually don't mix my US and UK punx though... shit gets too complicated

i'm not sure why i dislike the damned so much. i think they are, as they might say, bollocks.

It's sad that music discussion any place more public than here is more favorable of music I've never liked or that I liked five years ago over anything I find interesting now.

This is most likely a popular opinion amongst all of us, even an opinion a few here might currently hold of this forum.

It still sucks.

what do you find interesting now?

The Fall, particularly... Wipers, Suicide, Hot Snakes, all bands beloved here but little respect elsewhere I would discuss music online.

Fuck yeah! The Fall! *cums hardest*
Hot Snakes!!!!!!! *cums harder*
Wipers!!!!!!!! *cums hard*
Suicide!!!!!! *I orgasmed, but a puff of dust came out instead of actual semen*

I generally agree, but what about MC5? Their first album was awesome.

That first MC5 album is a joke. Their next two are likable, but nothing that special in my books. The Sonics are far better than MC5 as far as proto-punk goes and the Monks just make them look silly.

i'm quoting here but

the sonics are stupid

i don't really like kick out the jams all that much. it has it's moments but ... it's severely lacking in something. i'm not entirely sure what.

It's lacking good songs, perhaps?

^that sounds about right.

The only exciting part of the album is the "kick out the jams, motherfucker!" bit, but then disappointment ensues when the realization hits the listener that no jams are being kicked out.

I don't like Kick Out the Jams that much. The title track is great, but that's it. I bought it because of its influence on punk, but when I heard it I thought "isn't this something that those early punk bands would oppose?" I mean, 8 minute songs, crappy lead guitar interplay, and all those "brothers and sisters" references? (I know that's not what's said in the title track, but I'm sure that phrase is somewhere on the album).

The Sex Pistols are one of my favourite punk bands. I don't get it when people say that they couldn't play, or they were a manufactured boy band, not really punk, or just an imitation of better American bands. (I know this isn't really an unpopular opinion, I just wrote this because everyone was putting the Pistols at the end of their favourite punk bands lists).

awesome songs from kick out the jams:

motor city is burning (the version on live at the grande ballroom 68 is actually way better)
i want you right now
starship
black to comm (on the dvd)

i love the mc5


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMITp...om=PL&index=10

two chords and brilliant

Eddie Van Halen is thoroughly over-rated as a guitarist, and Van Halen the band are unmitigated wank.

^ yes.

hole's version of credit in the straight world >>>>>>>>>> ymg version
the guitar sound is awesome, cl sings it like she means it (with no disrespect to allison statton)...it is greater than the sum of its parts

YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG, MELLY!

the idea is that the opinion being expressed should be unpopular on a sonic youth message board, not a van halen one.