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More good news:

U.S. Added 1.8 Million Jobs in July......unemployment drops to 10.2 percent!!!

Four hundred and fiddy foken four pages.........

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Originally Posted by Bytor Peltor

More good news:

U.S. Added 1.8 Million Jobs in July......unemployment drops to 10.2 percent!!!

Even better news! Only 160k preventable deaths from Covid! Too much winning.

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Originally Posted by Diesel

Four hundred and fiddy foken four pages.........

Plenty more to come

i'm logging off pal, before I get buried in the mundane pile of boring stats used as arguments...pile

#ya boy winning internet arguments

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Originally Posted by Diesel

Four hundred and fiddy foken four pages.........

227 for me. But I have my settings on "Show 40 Posts Per Page". :)

Fuck you, Joe Arpaio
:fuckyou::fuckyou::fuckyou::fuckyou:

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Originally Posted by Bytor Peltor

Tough decisions are being made and the end of July is looming! The end of July is when many will stop receiving their $600 stipend per week from the federal government and the question becomes......what happens then?

Also, all of the Paycheck Protection Program (PPP) money will soon be running out. Companies will no longer be paid to keep employees employed even though they can no longer afford to keep them.

14 trillion dollars has been pumped into our economy over the past five months. No one wants to appear heartless just before an election, so President Trump is seeking an additional trillion dollars while Nancy Pelosi wants another THREE TRILLION.

Be it the end of this month or the end of the year, the government handouts will run out and financially speaking things will get very bad!!!

A depression greater than the 1920’s is looming and this November the voters will be deciding who leads us out of it!!!

There are a lot of people who didn’t like Trump in 2016, but they voted for him! The question come November 2020......how many will blame Trump for a world wide pandemic?

Trump extends unemployment benefits, defers payroll tax

“Bypassing Congress, President Donald Trump on Saturday signed executive orders deferring payroll taxes for some Americans and extending unemployment benefits after negotiations on a new coronavirus rescue package collapsed.”

“Trump said the payroll tax cut would apply to those earning less than $100,000 a year. He said that if he is reelected in November, he would look at the possibility of making the payroll tax permanent.

Extra aid for the unemployed will total $400 a week, a cut from the $600 that just expired.

Trump also signed executive orders holding off student loan payments and extending the freeze on evictions.“

*gestures futilely at everything going on*

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Trump Just Admitted on Live Television He Will 'Terminate' Social Security and Medicare If Reelected in November
One progressive critic called the president's promise "a full-on declaration of war against current and future Social Security beneficiaries."

President Donald Trump on Saturday afternoon openly vowed to permanently "terminate" the funding mechanism for both Social Security and Medicare if reelected in November—an admission that was seized upon by defenders of the popular safety net programs who have been warning for months that the administration's threat to suspend the payroll tax in the name of economic relief during the Covid-19 pandemic was really a backdoor sabotage effort.

Announcing and then signing a series of legally dubious executive orders, including an effort to slash the emergency federal unemployment boost by $200 from the $600 previously implemented by Democrats, Trump touted his order for a payroll tax "holiday"—which experts noted would later have to be paid back—but said if he won in November that such a cut would become permanent.

The Trump campaign was apparently so satisfied with the public acknowledgement of the president's promise to make the payroll tax permanent—a move that would inherently bankrupt the Social Security system—that it clipped the portion of the press conference and shared on social media immediately after it concluded. The president's critics did as well, though they carried a different message:

Defenders of the program, including the advocacy group Social Security Works, were quick to point out the implication of what the president said and condemned Trump for threatening the program that has kept countless millions of people out of poverty—during retirement years or due to disability—since it was created over 75 years ago.

"We just heard it straight from Trump's own mouth," the group responded: "If reelected, he will destroy Social Security."

Commonly known as the payroll tax, those are taxes paid both by employers and employees—as dictated by the The Federal Insurance Contributions Act (FICA)—that go to pay for both Social Security and Medicare.

"Trump's executive order, which seeks to defer Social Security contributions, is bad enough," said Nancy Altman, president of Social Security Works. "But his promise to 'terminate' FICA contributions if he is reelected is a full-on declaration of war against current and future Social Security beneficiaries."

"Social Security is the foundation of everyone's retirement security," Altman added. "At a time when pensions are vanishing and 401ks have proven inadequate, Trump's plan to eliminate Social Security's revenue stream would destroy the one source of retirement income that people can count on. Moreover, Social Security is often the only disability insurance and life insurance that working families have. If reelected, Trump plans to destroy those benefits as well."

As the Trump administration has foreshadowed this kind of move for months, economists on Friday warned again that any effort to undermine the payroll tax would do practically nothing to help struggling workers and families, but everything to sabotage two of the most popular and successful programs in the country.

"It's like borrowing money from the Social Security and Medicare trust funds to give to employers just to hold," Seth Hanlon, a tax expert and senior fellow at the left-leaning Center for American Progress, explained to Business Insider. "They're just gonna hold the withheld taxes because they'd have to pay it eventually."

As Common Dreams reported earlier this week, retirees and their advocates have vowed to fight any "attempt to gut" the program.

On Saturday, Altman called on every lawmaker in Congress to denounce what she called Trump's "unconstitutional raid on Social Security." In the upcoming election, she said, "voters should treat any Senator or Representative who is silent as complicit in destroying Social Security. Furthermore, every American who cares about Social Security's future must do everything they can to ensure that Trump does not get a second term."

Sure the boomers are A-OK with this? He literally doesn't give a shit about any of you.

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Originally Posted by h8kurdt

Sure the boomers are A-OK with this? He literally doesn't give a shit about any of you.

The problem is the same as always (only exponentially amplified by Trump's fans' impermeability to serious media outlets): Democrats need to really explain why the Dotard is screwing people up the ass, and as it turns out a good explanation doesn't fit on the front of a fucking hat the way a meaningless bullshit slogan does.

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Originally Posted by h8kurdt

Sure the boomers are A-OK with this? He literally doesn't give a shit about any of you.

Depending on your current plight, there are two ways to view this:

Either Nancy Pelosi is still holding to 'vote by mail' provisions being part of next U.S. coronavirus bill and President Trump knows the Republicans won’t vote for that, so he helps the unemployed NOW via executive order

—OR—

President Trump is just pandering for votes by deferring the payroll taxes with promises of making it permanent —IF— reelected.

ONLY Congress can levy or abolish taxes......

Perhaps the executive order is enough to provoke the Madame speaker into getting a bill passed???

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Originally Posted by Bytor Peltor

Perhaps you're a turd?

—YEAH—

You're a turd!

Payroll “holiday” cuts (which have to be reimbursed later anyway) do fuck all for the unemployed. This idiot is flailing and you’d better believe he’s pandering.

The trash inquired about getting added to Mount Rushmore, for which he lacks ANY qualifications for, so...yeah. Go jump off a high pier with cement shoes.

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Originally Posted by Savage Clone

Payroll “holiday” cuts (which have to be reimbursed later anyway) do fuck all for the unemployed. This idiot is flailing and you’d better believe he’s pandering.

It effectively negates Congress’s responsibility for appropriation of funds......just think what a Democrat would do with the same power.

Another way to say it......Trump’s tax/covid executive orders are exactly as unlawful as Obama’s DACA executive order, but the free minded freethinkers here at SYG never complained about that back then!

Whataboutism at its best there.

Oh you mean the working class who are going to need Social Security and Medicare more than anybody else as they age and are seeing the steps towards those programs being defunded before their very eyes, presented as some kind of boon to them ? Americans and fine print just aren’t compatible.

Speaking of programs being defunded, the crime rates in cities that are actively defunding the police are skyrocketing......early AM Chicago is the latest example:

Chicago shops downtown

Street view looting

when you make the morning news with your license plate in full view BROADCAST for all to see

Aftermath in the daylight

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Originally Posted by Bytor Peltor

Perhaps the executive order is enough to provoke the Madame speaker into getting a bill passed???

Trump tweet (August 10, 2020)

“So now Schumer and Pelosi want to meet to make a deal. Amazing how it all works, isn’t it. Where have they been for the last 4 weeks when they were “hardliners”, and only wanted BAILOUT MONEY for Democrat run states and cities that are failing badly? They know my phone number!”