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Rob Instigator 01.07.2015 04:00 PM

and all those movies criticizing materialism and greed were used by idiots to model their own search for material wealth and greed.

Those movies were a subtle cause of the massive investment bubbles of the past 20 years

demonrail666 01.07.2015 04:55 PM

Those films may have criticised it morally but it was an era when the evil capitalists were suddenly getting the most appealing roles, with all the best lines. Gordon Gekko, J.R. Ewing. They were baddies only in the way that Dracula was a baddie, or Hannibal Lector, ie they were portrayed in a way that was a million times more appealing than their good-guy adversaries. It was a complete reversal of the logic that underpinned films like It's a Wonderful Life.

h8kurdt 01.07.2015 05:02 PM

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is he negative about it? i thought he was fucking proud. get the discs (2 of them) & check out the commentaries, etc. he's pissed that it was cancelled but both him and pamela adlon were very proud of their work-- which btw c.k. compares it to the honeymooners (they even went for a similar look in the apartment).

can't think of any blockbusters that were about rags to riches stories but for example there's this class-conscious comedy from late 80s/early 90s called "dutch" featuring the al bundy guy as some working class dude dating a rich lady and he goes to pick up the lady's kid for thanksgiving... all kind of shit ensues. but the thing is that this working class schmoe is a millionaire who owns a fucking construction company. and so love triumphs in the end. al bundy the shoe salesman on the other hand is painted as a loser and an object of ridicule.

oh wait there is plenty of that material in the yuppie age about "getting out". the secret of my success, trading places... even a pink-collar revolt like "9 to 5" ends up in marriage and yuppiedom. the 80s were a time of ideological carnage. after that, if you don't have a trust fund it's your own damn fault.

the british thank fuck gave us mike leigh who is still making films. haven't watched his latest. last i saw was vera drake which in recollection was very good. but that's just a drop in the bucket.


if you want working class british films watch Selfish Giant. Brilliant film.

evollove 01.07.2015 05:34 PM

I think the years are significant, and i suggest that after two terms of Reagan there was something of an appetite for questioning the dream that had been sold. Same time as Roseanne, in fact.

But I certainly take the point.

Apparently it caused Oliver Stone some chagrin when yuppie scum saw Gordon Gekko as a hero. From what I remember, Stone made him unlikable enough. But yes, I doubt anyone goes up to Oliver Stone and quotes any of Martin Sheen's lines.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 01.07.2015 05:36 PM

 
surprisingly i really enjoyed this flick.. it was a classic thriller with a dozen completely unpredictable turns i was hooked! Possibly im just biased as a devotee of Willam Dafoe

demonrail666 01.07.2015 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!

the british thank fuck gave us mike leigh who is still making films. haven't watched his latest. last i saw was vera drake which in recollection was very good. but that's just a drop in the bucket.


Politically, Mike Leigh's generally been more about poking fun at the lower middle class than anything to do with the working class. He's closer to someone like Alan Bennet in that sense. Ken Loach is probably the only overtly political (from a class perspective) filmmaker Britain has left. (If you'll pardon the pun.)

!@#$%! 01.08.2015 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by demonrail666
Politically, Mike Leigh's generally been more about poking fun at the lower middle class than anything to do with the working class. He's closer to someone like Alan Bennet in that sense. Ken Loach is probably the only overtly political (from a class perspective) filmmaker Britain has left. (If you'll pardon the pun.)


i'm sure you know him better than i do, and a film like life is sweet would fit that description (only in part, because after the comedy it gets really serious), but films like "vera drake" or "naked" are not about that nor funny at all.

i suppose what i find praiseworthy in him is not some sort of political commitment (i am not really fond of overt ideologues), but his realism, in opposition to hollywood which is all about brainwashing through aspirational fantasies of impossible lives.

speaking of realism-- that is a reason why the wire was so great. so things like that are possible, but they are extremely rare.

tw2113 01.08.2015 08:09 PM

Better Off Dead :D

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 01.08.2015 09:24 PM

 
Fallen also better than i remembered.. ending had the potential to have been epic good then turned out to be epic #fail for literally no reason

tw2113 01.08.2015 10:07 PM

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Fallen also better than i remembered.. ending had the potential to have been epic good then turned out to be epic #fail for literally no reason

So you can say that Fallen's ending.....fell flat.....yeeeeeeeaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh </caruso>

demonrail666 01.08.2015 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
i'm sure you know him better than i do, and a film like life is sweet would fit that description (only in part, because after the comedy it gets really serious), but films like "vera drake" or "naked" are not about that nor funny at all.

i suppose what i find praiseworthy in him is not some sort of political commitment (i am not really fond of overt ideologues), but his realism, in opposition to hollywood which is all about brainwashing through aspirational fantasies of impossible lives.

speaking of realism-- that is a reason why the wire was so great. so things like that are possible, but they are extremely rare.


Haven't seen Vera Drake but you're right about Naked. But for me he really defined himself with his earlier tv dramas, which I imagine are harder to get hold of in the US. Stuff like Abigail's Party

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-hXUehyRlE

!@#$%! 01.08.2015 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by demonrail666
Haven't seen Vera Drake but you're right about Naked. But for me he really defined himself with his earlier tv dramas, which I imagine are harder to get hold of in the US. Stuff like Abigail's Party

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-hXUehyRlE


oh, i see. i only learned about him in the 90s via "secrets and lies." and more or less kept up since.

i've been planning a retrospective of his movies via netflix, which has "hard labour" (1973), and i think maybe i'll start it sooner than planned.

looking at the selection seems like he covers the whole social spectrum though, including an "affluent snobby couple" in "nuts in may" (1976), a postman, office workers, mortician's assistants, very poor people, etc. is he maybe your contemporary balzac? hmm....

demonrail666 01.09.2015 07:25 AM

He does cover the full range but his most fruitful/insightful area is definitely those petty cultural snobberies that so pre-occupy the upper working/lower middle classes. So Balzac maybe, I dunno, haven't read him, but probably more straight-forwardly comparable with the way Dickens dealt with those areas.

ilduclo 01.09.2015 11:29 AM

Not sure abt Mr Turner, although I think Timothy Spall is pretty great in just about anything he does, I distrust the historical bio films in general....
Another year was fantastic, L Manville and Broadbent. Plus, my being a geologist also helped me like Broadbent's character.
Happy Go Lucky had a stellar performance by Eddie Marsan, who I just about always see as "Scott" now.

tw2113 01.10.2015 01:20 AM

Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind. So good, imho.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 01.10.2015 02:34 AM

 
i love it. It seems by coincidence ive been watching a bunch of movies with willem dafoe..i also watched Grand Budapest Hotel last night which had dafoe in it. Speaking of which recently i also watched the all time great To Live And Die In LA.
 

gmku 01.10.2015 09:50 AM

The One I Love

Contrary to the so-so reviews, I enjoyed it completely.

LifeDistortion 01.10.2015 01:35 PM

I found the movie Ce Sior ou Jamais (Tonight or Never) on Youtube, with english subtitles, and watched that last night. An enjoyable film with the lovely Anna Karina not directed by Jean-Luc Godard.

!@#$%! 01.11.2015 11:10 AM

had a surprising revelation w/ a belgian film, from directors i had never heard about-- they're fantastic though

 


THE KID WITH A BIKE (JP & Luc Dardenne, 2011)

what can i say? everything that's written on that poster is true. watch it. came out in a nice criterion blu ray.

Rob Instigator 01.12.2015 09:33 AM

 


I laughed and laughed and laughed and laughed. I have never seen Danny McBride do anything that did not make me crack up, from his small role in Tropic Thunder to Pineapple Express ("I'm wearing a fucking kimono, man.") to the genius of Kenny Powers.

evollove 01.12.2015 09:44 AM

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THE KID WITH A BIKE (JP & Luc Dardenne, 2011)


Jesus fuck that looks boring. Tell me the kid's bike blows up at the end at least.
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I have METROPOLITAN on in the background at the moment. Always liked it, better than I recalled.

!@#$%! 01.12.2015 11:09 AM

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Jesus fuck that looks boring. Tell me the kid's bike blows up at the end at least.


 


IT'S A GREAT MOVIE

evollove 01.12.2015 02:04 PM

I'll go with great. I like the others but there's something special about this one.

You're right about it's innocence. How many other films end with two guys trying to save a woman's honor?

What happened to the cast? They were all good but only one or two ever popped up in anything else.

!@#$%! 01.12.2015 02:21 PM

i was answering you about "the kid with a bike" by way of quoting metropolitan-- remember the ginger's prejudices against austen (unintended pun) due to reading some critic. you go by a poster. check out the kid with a bike, dammit. great little story. don't prejudge.

but yes you're right about metropolitan.

from the cast, i know carolyn farina was a perfume counter girl in a department store before this movie, then she had a cameo in last days of disco, and that was that. chris eig-- something--mann was in all his other movies and he's had parts in law & order, etc.-- same as teh friend w/ the glasses i think i saw him in law and order once. the girl and whose house they hanged out (sally?) also worked a bit... i'm saying all this from memory.

evollove 01.12.2015 04:26 PM

I was mostly joking. I'm sure it's a good film, and earlier I missed the tagline, "Growing up is not a choice," which is intriguing. But admit it: if The Simpsons wanted to satirize the typical art-house foreign film, they would call it something like THE KID WITH A BIKE.
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Hype is such a turnoff, but BIRDMAN really is an astonishing piece of work.

!@#$%! 01.12.2015 04:36 PM

Oh I see. Haven't watched the Simpsons since the last century. But get it! I think it won at Cannes. Belgian film is on a roll lately. Ps- don't read any reviews which might spoil surprises, just trust me on this one.

!@#$%! 01.13.2015 01:05 AM

just finished watching catch-22. it was good. at the same time funny, anxious, and depressing. the best thing about it was alan arkin. i agree with whoever said nichols was best at getting the best performances for his actors. well shot too, etc. but for me yossarian's performance stands out. good job piecing together the structure too. not the best movie ever, but i really liked it.

also tried to watch, for several days, godard's "pierrot le fou". fucking boring! it's like a little boy trying to show you how he's so clever. in the end i didn't finish the movie. anna karina is lovely to behold but all the bullshit scenes are too much. godard here did exactly the opposite of what sam fuller said cinema was (nice sam fuller cameo).

later i went to read to help me comprehend what my poor uneducated intellect had just missed and the wikipedia article said there was no script until a day before shooting, much was improvised, etc. OF COURSE! fucker... like a very expensive student film with good actors. i think it's a huge flop. no matter, he made alphaville too and that justifies him.

!@#$%! 01.13.2015 11:53 PM

 


SCHULTZE GETS THE BLUES (Michael Schorr, 2003). Amazing! If you like quiet, subtle, deadpan comedies with a semi documentary flavor and very little dialogue like the stuff Kaurismaki or Jim Jarmusch like to make (okay, Jarmusch is more "talky", but still), or maybe something by Ozu, this is fantastic and superfunny. A lot of dolts commenting on the internet have found it "boring," because it's "slow" and "nothing happens" (lies, i say, a lot happens if you pay attention) so dolts be warned. But great movie.

HenryHill51 01.16.2015 03:59 AM

been watching alot, but more importantly, finalized my faves of the year: 155 films later, these 20 are king:

(ranked from 20 to 11)

Life Itself, Foxcatcher, Whiplash, The Internet's Own Boy Aaron Swartz, Starry Eyes, Skeleton Twins, Starred Up, The Rover, Wild, Chef,

(top 10 down to number 1)

Grand Budapest Hotel, In Bloom, Boyhood, Snowpiercer, Under the Skin, Burning Bush, The Immigrant, Interstellar, Inherent Vice, Birdman

evollove 01.16.2015 09:46 AM

LIFE ITSELF is so good, I'll say anyone who doesn't like it is an asshole.

!@#$%! 01.20.2015 09:31 AM

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been watching alot, but more importantly, finalized my faves of the year: 155 films later, these 20 are king:


you watched 155 NEW movies this past year? luckee...

i watched this very old thing last night and it was fantastic:

 


PORT OF SHADOWS (Marcel Carné, 1938). Great little French noir. Don't have a lot to say right now because I haven't had my stimulants yet. But really great.

Rob Instigator 01.20.2015 09:49 AM

Marcel Carne' did my favorite movie, Les Enfants du Paradis

The wife and I went to a late screening of this movie on Sunday night.
 

we had seen good reviews and I dig on Joaquin Phoenix, but HOLY FUCK was this just a pointless waste of EVERYTHING. we walked out 1 hour into it, no laughs at all from the crowd, and we were WASTED in preparation. This was as stupidly pointless as a movie can get. fuck Pynchon. His books suck ass, and so do movies based on his suck ass books. Thank Mario we went with a gift card, because I would have killed someone had I to pay $11 of my own money to see this doo doo. Plus hearing Joanna Newsome narrating it made me want to stab my own ears.


Watched this at home yesterday.
 

Of course not as good as Pitch Black, but far far better than the second Riddick movie with it's ponderous bullshit necromongers... I enjoyed it a lot. good middle of day violence while wasted on the stankiest skunk to come accross H town in months and months.

!@#$%! 01.20.2015 09:59 AM

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Marcel Carne' did my favorite movie, Les Enfants du Paradis


hell yes! i watched that not long ago. with effort, because it is a long movie and we had to spread it over 2 nights, but very rewarding. reads like a novel.

before this i had only known jacques prévert as a surrealist poet, but as a screenwriter he was awesome.

evollove 01.20.2015 10:24 AM

GONE GIRL - Could've been a much needed exploration of contemporary gender roles. But Fincher made a stupid thriller instead. Huge waste, although "well made." Dude can really light a scene.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 01.22.2015 12:16 AM

 

Great Gatsby.. when i first watched it i found as terrible as the book.. then i saw it a second time and liked it a bit.. now having watched it a third time i dare say it was a great flick. But i tend to be biased towards Leo DiCaprio movies

tw2113 01.22.2015 12:31 AM

Ace Ventura: Pet Detective.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 01.22.2015 01:01 AM

 

Loved it. Fucking loved it. But denzel is a bad mofo and marky mark ain't so soft himself

!@#$%! 01.22.2015 09:26 AM

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Ace Ventura: Pet Detective.

things might look different when i rewatch this but i recall the sex scene being one of the funniest things ever

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anyway i saw

 


THE BITTER TEARS OF PETRA VON KANT (Fassbinder, 1972). So fucking great. Yes it's a filmed play. Everything happens in one room. And it looks fantastic-- the room, the camera moves, the costumes, the mask-like faces, everything. Also great dialogue.

i wonder if it was autobiographical.

ilduclo 01.22.2015 10:11 AM

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Watched this at home yesterday.

Of course not as good as Pitch Black, but far far better than the second Riddick movie with it's ponderous bullshit necromongers... I enjoyed it a lot. good middle of day violence while wasted on the stankiest skunk to come accross H town in months and months.


the atmospheric entry in Pitch Black was great!

gmku 01.22.2015 12:31 PM

Happy People: A Year in the Taiga

Werner Herzog. Amazing.


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