I'm already trying to self-justify listening to Swans, my favourite "band", whilst knowing that Gira is an asshole. This pains me.

Lennon was an asshole a whole lot of times wasn't he? Did some of our favourite authors drown puppies in their spare time?

In spite of Gira's wife's assurances, the lawyer-assisted statement really did not deviate much from Grimm's story. Worrying indeed.

See that is exactly what i noticed too

larkin the liar grimms fb friend count is above 2k whereas it was lower than 200 originally. she timed the accusation well coinciding with a tour and a new song and is using it to beg for attention and hugs.

her career will ultimately fail anyway since her terrible music does not appeal to anyone. the question is what will she do next to keep the media attention?

and all you dipshits on here believe a trial is gonna happen.

no.

she never wanted or intended for a trial to happen. thats not how the law works. gira would have to take HER to court for slander and would prob bankrupt himself in a futile attempt to disprove it since there is no evidence and its he said she said.

congrats to all of you for deciding a rape victim is a rapist because a lying rich girl sociopath told you so.

So your shit smelling foot has come out of your ass and is now circling back to put said shit back into your mouth?

You're nihilistic whit is usually funny but in this instance its just pathetic.

Again NO ONE IS SAYING GIRA IS GUILTY BUT FRANKLY YOU'RE BEING AN ASSHOLE FOR ENTIRELY DISMISSING HER ACCUSATION. Indeed you're gonna feel like Hitler if Gira comes out and some time and confess (not saying he will but if he does?)

even you are backtracking now

her accusations are fucking lies and she knows it and probably thinks its hilarious

Backtracking how? I have said the same thing consistently on this entire thread better go back and reread my posts if you think otherwise

You must spread some (positive) Reputation around before giving it to SuchFriendsAreDangerous again.

more bs from you

i entirely dismissed the allegation - as if i didnt consider it and look at all available evidence.

you idiots assumed there would be a trail, now that i pointed out there isnt im being accused of what, not considering her side of the story fairly or something?

i did and thats what leads me to believe shes a lair.

i refuse to accept her false allegation designed to smear and get revenge on a real artist, actual rape victim and innocent man.

sorry, deciding that "it could be true" is what leads to an innocent persons career and life being ruined. which some of you are happy to see happen for the cheap emotional thrill and sense of self righteous anger you have.

idiots.

INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY

and dont pretend the legal system is what it used to be before the 1950s because it just isnt.

woah, I've never heard this about him, and it doesn't seem to be a secret
http://highline.huffingtonpost.com/a...he-lost-girls/

He doesn't seem too far from Jimmy Saville. Fuck.

Just curious but what makes you so sure?

What evidence exactly? We haven't been provided ANY evidence at all. We're not on a jury, this isn't a trial, and no one here has said, "oh Gira did it for sure."

HOWEVER you have insensitively condemned the accuser equally without any kind of evidence and then flippantly dismissed the entire thing as a publicity stunt.

Innocent until proven guilt DOESN'T MEAN suspicion of guilt isn't sometimes warranted by the very nature of being accused

I don't see this note from Jennifer Gira mentioned

https://www.facebook.com/coveredwith...06691239732330

bipolarism is very severe condition.

it sounds like this culminates a long simmerng situation at least since 2008. "Michael dropped Larkin, and she has been jilted about it ever since. Larkin may know in the past, Michael has shuddered and simply deleted her harassing emails/texts, rambling obsessive tomes, declarations of unrequited love, hate speech, and threats to him."

"starfucker"

You guys probably weren't even born for Tawana Brawley = the case that made Al Sharpton, one of the most hated men in NY. We all felt like fucking idiots because sadly it seemed believable.

You didn't say believing the accusations are ambiguous you said rape itself. Think before you speak next time.

I HAVEN'T TAKEN ANYONE'S SIDE BUT TO AUTOMATICALLY DISMISS THE ACCUSATIONS IS TO SIDE WITH THE ACCUSED.

Who has what guilty conscience here? Just because i think the accusations are fair doesn't necessarily mean i think they are true. Again, you're not thinking before you speak.

Well, by the logic no one who ever accused anyone of a crime could possibly have actually been a victim.

Think before you speak. I'm not sure that either (a) your saying exactly what you mean or intend to say or (b) have any idea at all wtf you're talking about

That is true but what warrants casting that suspicion on the accuser right off the bat? How about we wait and see before we start making accusations at the accuser. Indeed THAT is why so many victims of sexual abuse or assault don't come forward and don't go to court.

Sure is a lotta BS in this thread.

Facts:

-Gira's wife was absolutely resolute that she had proof this didn't happen.
-soon after, a lawyer assisted statement from Gira practically mirrors Grimm's account.
-today Gira asks us not to post hateful, sexist or harrassing comments. I guess he forgot about his wife's long post.

I fucking adore Swans. I am in the process of mentally separating Art from the Artist.

Yeah, Gira has written some extra creepy shit, I know it's just writing, but fuck, wear a coating of penciclovir if you ever gotta get close

I'm glad you noticed how Gira changed his original statement and how some of his wife's comments were frankly unnecessary