hip priest: see it's easy to take a pot shot at the 5th. wouldn't fly w/ the eroica however. or even the 9th as much as it's been used/abused/overused. and were you to attempt a similar criticism of the late quartets you'd fall flat on your face. the complexity of those pieces is something else. so if you say the 5th is overrated i might say "ok fine". saying beethoven is overrated however is really not applicable as some of his best music is little known or understood.

now about radio stations, it's the same phenomenon in the u.s.-- "mainstream" classical is all they offer. ZZZZZZZZZZZ. i don't care for that. but in that sense i think mozart would be more "overrated" since he's even got some candy balls named after him






:D:D:D

about jazz: the jazz world is full of hacks and sellouts & popular wankers too. i was refuting your statement that "there are no jazz equivalents of the foo fighters" or something like that by offering the name of diana krall. i didn't get what you meant the 2nd time about the grunge/not-grunge etc.

"hm" - is "hmmm..." that's the sound of me thinking

ha

anyway i see you like janacek-- cool! i'll post there if i have time tonight-- gotta go to the animal collective show in a bit

Well yeah. That's how we snag our guys - brute force.

I chose the 5th deliberately. It's easy to take pot shots at for a reason, a reason that I feel demonstrates my point.


Quite. I wouldn't criticise the late quartets in the same way because I agree - I had no intention of doing so. They are far superior. Also, in noumenal's Beethoven thread, I said tonight - 'As a child I heard a lot of stuff, I still quite like the variations on Bei Maennern, welche Liebe fuehlen, but I'm not a huge fan.' So I'm not blind to the fact that someone can be good (even great), but that doesn't mean that they are in no way overrated.


Fair enough. That's a reasonable point in terms of the qualitative aspects of his compositions, but it doesn't address the imbalance of attention his work gets. On which you say...


Over here, Mozart and Beethoven get similar attention. I personally find Mozart fun to listen to, so I don't think he's as overrated. Don't forget that on both sides of the argument this is all subjective opinion rather than objective fact.

Beethoven has a comedy dog named after him.


What I meant was that Grohl used to be grunge, but he's changed to poprock or whatever you wish to call it. People accept that and
don't call the F** F******* grunge anymore. Cullum and Kenny G have made a similar switch to pop, but get called jazz nonetheless. It seems strange. Krall I think has slightly more of a jazz element left. Opinion again.



Thanks.


Have fun. Saw a video of theirs recently. It seemed OK.

Janacek is fantastic.

Radiohead. Period.........

A short but accurate list, soupisgood.

Nirvana


Radiohead

Get bent.
There was no reason to get personal like that.
Let's hear YOUR music, jerk.

Um....
Hair Police (never did it for me although I love Wolf Eyes)
Solo Iggy Pop (the Stooges rule though)
The Cure
Radiohead
Radiohead
Radiohead
Dead Kennedys vbmenu_register("postmenu_2267", true);

oh i forgot the most overrated ever....
U2

:confused: The Cure and Radiohead overrated, are you crazy ?

Declaring bands to be overrated is totally overrated.

I always think that the Doors are overrated...

here's my list: Eric Clapton (love some of his music, great guitarist, but very overrated), Rolling Stones, Nirvana (love them totally, but again...), Genesis, The Police, ABBA, the Villiage People, Green Day (i fucking hate them, especially Billie Joe, he's a fucking prick and a ripoff artist with no talent), Led Zeppelin (i love em but lets face it, later in their career they just got kinda pathetic), Journey, Foriegner, and all those other pompous 70's power rock bands, AC/DC (love em but overrated), Metallica big time (they used to be good but their ego's got in the way, except for Kirk, he still rocks), Elvis Pressley ( i mean come on! can no one else see that this man was the original boy band? he never wrote any of his material and the only reason he got a record contract was becuz he ripped off black blues musicians), Motley Crue, Poison, The Cure (they are horrible, mopey, whiney, pussies), the Grateful Dead (im a big fan, but lets get real, people), Yellowcard (theyre garbage), Rancid, and almost all those other punk revivalist bands. Whew. Jesus I think i broke my brain!

And all those other "emo" rock bands. I HATE THEM!!!! They have ruined the good and respectable name of "punk"!!!

Every single one of them, except for Fugazi, but i really dont even consider them an emo band. Just a passionate punk band. And yes, there is a difference!!!!!!!

Emo is the most over-used term ever.

Hardcore kids get called emo.
Indie kids get called emo.
Losers that listen to MCR get called emo.

Oh, and Insane Clown Posse. Has anyone seen these Jokers? Clowns who rap? What the fuck? That is the lamest schtick ever! And the thing that erks me the most is that they have a HUGE fanbase. Iv'e lost all hope for humanity. Someone please comfort me!

And Death Cab for Cutie and Modest Mouse. They suck and everyone needs to know that. Why hasnt Built to Spill overrun these idiots? They are the wave of the Indie rock future!!!!! i cant believe they havent really struck media gold. BtS have such a great and accesabl;e sound. It's a shame that they havent been a well known band as their so called comtemporaries. Sigh.

Allright, I think Im done cuz i ran out of names and i think yr all pretty tired of me posting over

and over again.