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Since when has a person's liking of experimental or modern art had anything to do with money? If you're broke, a stroll around a major gallery filled with modern art is a decent and usually cost-free way to kill the day. It costs money to cast a vote on Celebrity Big Brother, though. God bless the financial nous of your 'average person'. |
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Just to be clear, this painting just deflates me. It does absolutely NOTHING for me. Great technical talent though, I suppose. This is not Art, surely? |
you might as well take a picture.
it's nocoincidence that abstract art started when photography started to offer more and more possibilities. before photography hyperrealistic painting was necessary because there was no alternative. |
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Haven't you been brainwashed into thinking Pollock's art is good? |
 maybe your nonsense would be a bit more palatable if you happened to be as erection inducing as cartoon depictions of Ann Coulter. |
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I see you've been brainwashed into thinking lame cartoon depictions of Ann Coulter can be used as an insult on message boards. |
you seem to be obsessed with this idea that people who don't agree with you have in some way been brainwashed. It's odd.
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Not as odd as being brainwashed into using a lame, deflective counterargument like that against people who you think are obsessed with the idea that people who don't agree with them have in some way been brainwashed. |
I like that painting of a leopard!
it surely is art. a great painting caputres much more than a photograph can. |
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I agree. Technically it's faultless to the degree that it's difficult to differentiate it from a photograph. :) |
that oil on masonite painting will be around far lomger than a film negative or a print will remain undamaged.
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You seem to have been brainwashed into believing that the brainwashing you've received was actually received by the people you're talking to, who are brainwashed into making perfectly reasonable arguments while you, brainwashedly, have been brainwashed into perceiving perfectly valid and reasonable arguments as an affront to your personality which, in your brainwashed state, you seem to ignore the fact that you're talking complete and utter shite while accusing other people of precisely the rabid incoherency and nonsense that the only the brainwashed (ie, you) could believe. |
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More brainwashed nonsense. You shouldn't be letting others do the thinking for you. |
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Oh you postmodern conceptualist you |
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i could come up with some sort of bullshit invention in 3 seconds. eg- "the yellow hose is meant to remind us of the workers who labor to support the esthetic pleasures of the upper classes. like orozco, many of those workers are of mexican origin, and the bilingual title alludes to this..." etc etc ha ha ha i still thik it's crap. but it do like how it fucks up the museum like they're in the middle of tending the yard or something. not that i have been there. i hope he made good money from it though.  i haven't read the rest of the thread, i supposed there is much blah blah, but time is short. |
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I do regret using the word "brainwashed" last night. |
I thought the cans of artist shit were cool.
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looking glass spectacle replace it with a genuine water hose, if nobody notices then it is not art.
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You are invited to the Blood Orgy of the Atomic Fern
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this might be true, but in some way, i find being able to paint a photorealistic picture a bit of a waste of time. it's a great skil, and one of the first things we learnt in art school was to draw a realistic picture from what we saw, just because you have to understand reality before you can turn it into something of your own. i love drawings from life that have an artist's interpretation in them, because it makes the works ten times more personal. a model sketch by egon schiele is far more interesting to me than that leopard. right now i'm at a point in my education where we still get classes in drawing from life, but our teacher assumes we know reality well enough to give it our own twist. right now, i go to a museum of old airplanes with my bits and pieces of paper, i look at an airplane and i make this:  |
Also, an artist who happens to find an original formula not necessarily becomes the best practitioner when using that formula. The idea that something is best only when it's done first is a myth. The Ramones found a way of writing songs that has its own distinctive, if derivative, trademark, yet my ears detect a (disputable) improvement when the Ramones' formula is used by Shonen Knife.
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Absolutely. And to use your same example, while I love the Ramones (conceptually) more than probably any band, I have to admit that I think on record, Action Swingers did a better version of the Ramones than the originals did.
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ploesj, maybe you assume that the painting of the leaopard is some sort of photorealist image, or an image taken directly from photographs? It could very well be a completely made up scene, but by an artist familiar with big cats.
just sayin'. Love yr plane though. You would not want schiele to paint images for inclusion in an animal compendium right? each art has it's purpose. |
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That's a good point but a bad example. Bateman, who painted the leopard, always paints from photographs. |
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This is not Here, surely? |
ya never know.
I prefer abstraction myself, but I also love optical illusions. |
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a lot of pot oriented people are man.. |
everything is art.
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that's pretty awesome... i love old graph papers, log charts, time cards and stuff... anything with technical looking dashed lines and arrows and crap. you've managed to make it all flow like texture or contours without distracting from the image of the plane... i also really like how the fold/binding provides an illusion of two white walls coming to a corner behind the airplane like in a gallery. it really adds depth to the thing... wonder if that was intentional or one of those 'beautiful accidents?' ... also, i'm wondering if this is really art at all :p |
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But what does that painting do for you though? Serious question. |
Paintings as realistic as that leopard astound me. If I weren't told that it was a painting, I would've actually assumed it were a photograph.
At most, that yellow hose could make me think, "Yeah, that's kinda clever." But something painted with such precision, that it actually appears lifelike...that really sets me aback. |
The leopards have in me wonder at how a person can stay in such close focus to capture the details of lighting and tones and expression and proportion of real life to produce such a thing. The hand by itself will gladly mash splotches and circles into a canvas.
The focus!! I mean, have you ever tried to simply copy a picture? You can still translate things so horribly, just like in conversation, saying things you didnt mean to. Also, geez, I feel like my eyes could touch the soft velvet of that cat. |
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thanks! the fold is not intentional, we are supposed to work in a large sketchbook for this class so there always is some line running through my drawings... the paper is an old clothing pattern sheet from a nineties burda magazine, combined with red chalk paper and details of grey ink. i don't call this, art, to me it's an excercise that turned out well. |
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nothing more than allow me to appreciate what a giant cat looks like resting on a branch. |
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I thought it was a photo at first. I have alot of respect for someone that can make something like that out of nothing. I know if I painted that leopard he would look like a dog that was hit by a car. I have always admired that talent. |
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no doubt dudes like that are talented but i don't understand how they can be bothered to take the time to paint like that as it's a very painstaking process. |
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