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Severian 12.16.2016 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
I also hate that the Trek films keep destroying the Enterprise. cheap ass gimmick trope cliche. Kirk would have burned half the galaxy rather than let their ship be destroyed so stupidly every time.


Heh? The ship was only destroyed in Beyond as far as the new films go. Otherwise it's only been destroyed like 8 times across damn near 20 movies and fuckloads of shows (unless you count that TNG episode where they're stuck in a timeloop and it gets destroyed over and over and over and over and over again).

Wasn't destroyed in the the original films until... like, Nemesis or some shit. Whenever it was it was long after the Voyage Home (IV).

Yeah, it's happened a few times, but nowhere near every single film. Not even half the films. Not even a third of the films.

noisereductions 12.16.2016 01:37 PM

drinking game: Drink every time Rob posts the word "hate." Haha.

Severian 12.16.2016 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by noisereductions
drinking game: Drink every time Rob posts the word "hate." Haha.


You'd get waaaay more drunk if you took a sip every time I said "Kanye."

(Or if SuchFriends was still around, every time he began a sentence with the word "indeed." Bahah you know it's true!)

Rob Instigator 12.16.2016 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Severian
Heh? The ship was only destroyed in Beyond as far as the new films go. Otherwise it's only been destroyed like 8 times across damn near 20 movies and fuckloads of shows (unless you count that TNG episode where they're stuck in a timeloop and it gets destroyed over and over and over and over and over again).

Wasn't destroyed in the the original films until... like, Nemesis or some shit. Whenever it was it was long after the Voyage Home (IV).

Yeah, it's happened a few times, but nowhere near every single film. Not even half the films. Not even a third of the films.


I hate it whenever it happens. I find it a stupid thing.

Rob Instigator 12.16.2016 03:41 PM

I am scared of Darth Vader again.

_tunic_ 12.16.2016 06:37 PM

I just watched Rogue One, and I've already forgotten what it was about.

Arrival however is a great movie. Go watch it instead please

Severian 12.16.2016 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by _tunic_
I just watched Rogue One, and I've already forgotten what it was about.

Arrival however is a great movie. Go watch it instead please


I think this is going to have a shot at actually winning Best Picture. It will certainly be nominated. Haven't seen it yet, just reading the buzz vibes.

ilduclo 12.17.2016 09:49 AM

Spoiler: Cthulhu is nice

tesla69 12.17.2016 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by _tunic_
Arrival however is a great movie. Go watch it instead please


Isn't this propaganda about how the aliens are nice?

Did you see the original Arrival, with Charlie Sheen? the aliens are not nice.

Severian 12.17.2016 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by tesla69
Isn't this propaganda about how the aliens are nice?

Did you see the original Arrival, with Charlie Sheen? the aliens are not nice.


I remember that. It was a little creepy and a lot stupid. This is not a remake of that film though, so Sheen's "The Arrival" is not the original "Arrival."

That one had a direct-to-video sequel (the Arrival II!!!!) with some crap TV actor in it. Real power franchise right there.

Severian 12.18.2016 01:28 AM

 


Can someone explain to me why everyone thought this was SOOOOOO offensively bad? Great cinema it was not. Nor was it a great comic book movie. Nor was it an engrossing story.

But it was a fun action movie with 'splosions n stuff.

Will Smith made me chuckle more than once.

Joker was a pitiful thing, of course, but for what it was, it was fine. Bit boring at times. Could have taken a lesson or two from Die Hard. But whatever... 3/5. Fine. Don't regret watching it. Hope they don't make this Sirens of Gotham follow-up that they're talking about, but fuck man it was ok.

Severian 12.18.2016 01:29 AM

Killer Croc was awful. "I want BET." Blech.

tw2113 12.18.2016 01:51 AM

About Time. (2013)

Too much human manipulation for my taste, thanks to the topic of time travel at will.

LifeDistortion 12.18.2016 02:00 AM

I haven't seen Suicide Squad so I can't critique it, nor can I defend it. Maybe it comes down to a lot of wasted potential. That's the impression I got. Maybe they should have made a Joker/Harley Quinn movie, and not a Suicide Squad movie. Or if not Joker/HQ, a Harley Quinn/Poison Ivy team up movie. Instead you have 11 characters all vying for screen time. I'm sure the reshoots didn't help. I get the impression it was a movie without a goal. If the movie cared about Harley Quinn make it a Harley Quinn film and cut out all the other characters. They could have had Harley join the Suicide Squad at the end of her own movie. DC films seem like they have no direction or plan, they are just throwing movies at the wall hoping one catches an audience. Where Marvel has a five-year plan. They are a well oiled machine at this point, that comes with its own downsides, but at least they stick to their plan, even if one or two of their movies doesn't succeed they give you enough to want to see what they do next.


Tonight I watched Jon Favreau's The Jungle Book, and I thought it was quite good. I was actually pleasantly surprised by how much I liked it. I'm animation fan, and I'd say 95% of the time I hate the idea of making something from animation into live-action. I really dread the upcoming Ghost in the Shell and Akira adaptations that are coming. The Jungle Book was solid though.

demonrail666 12.18.2016 07:25 AM

 


Wild at Heart

Along with Dune, probably my least favourite Lynch film (of the ones I've seen).

noisereductions 12.18.2016 09:53 AM

glad you finally saw Suicide Squad - and glad you liked it. You know I loved it. I actually just got the Extended Cut as a gift yesterday. :)

Oh, and I totally DO hope they make Gotham City Sirens, bruh.

Severian 12.18.2016 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by LifeDistortion
I haven't seen Suicide Squad so I can't critique it, nor can I defend it. Maybe it comes down to a lot of wasted potential. That's the impression I got. Maybe they should have made a Joker/Harley Quinn movie, and not a Suicide Squad movie. Or if not Joker/HQ, a Harley Quinn/Poison Ivy team up movie. Instead you have 11 characters all vying for screen time. I'm sure the reshoots didn't help. I get the impression it was a movie without a goal. If the movie cared about Harley Quinn make it a Harley Quinn film and cut out all the other characters. They could have had Harley join the Suicide Squad at the end of her own movie. DC films seem like they have no direction or plan, they are just throwing movies at the wall hoping one catches an audience. Where Marvel has a five-year plan. They are a well oiled machine at this point, that comes with its own downsides, but at least they stick to their plan, even if one or two of their movies doesn't succeed they give you enough to want to see what they do next.


See, I actually see it quite differently. I don't hate Harley Quinn, but I don't care much about the character. She's fun in comics as a kind of Robin to the Joker's Batman, but I don't get the massive fan base for a character that started as an extra body in a freaking cartoon. I think she was fine in the movie, more or less, but an entire movie about her seems like a wretched idea. Ditto for the Harley and Ivy movie idea (that's what Sirens of Gotham is supposed to be, I guess, only there will probably be a ridiculous Catwoman too.

I think the team should have been smaller, and maybe more in line with the original Suicide Squad. One of the things Marvel does really, really well is they take B-list characters (they have so many, after all) and they commit to them and make people give a shit about them. Guardians of the Galaxy was B-list at best until the '08 reboot, and Ant-Man? Give me a break. Even Thor and Iron Man are really pretty low hanging fruit compared to the likes of Spider-Man, Captain America and Wolverine. I think a Suicide Squad movie that rests on the laurels of Harley Quinn and the Joker is doomed to fail. Deadshot on the other hand? Best part of the movie, easy. Totally B-list, but it made me care about him. The original line up was just Rick Flagg and a bunch of military bros. I think that, with Deadshot and maybe Boomerang and a few others added for name recognition, would have been cool. And it could have even had fucking Harley Quinn for fuck's sake, as long as the Joker was kept out of it. Some characters just demand the spotlight, and the Joker as anything other than the primary antagonist just doesn't work.


What I find odd is that they're working backwards with half the characters. Batman being introduced as "old Batman"? As post Jason Todd Batman (which necessitates a post-Dickens Grayson Batman)? Batman with a man establish history with the Joker and presumably all of the other major rogues? Why?! Also, late in the game Joker and stuff, while Superman himself is still only a couple of years post-reveal (even though he's "dead"). That's asking a lot of audiences. "Hey, jump into our universe and pretend with us that it's been going on without your knowledge for god knows how long."

I know people get sick of origin stories, but this kind of narrative is absolutely not the answer.

I think they should be leaving any and all things Bat-related ALONE for a fucking while. Jesus. They should focus on a Star Wars-level Superman trilogy, a great Flash movie, maybe a Justice Society of America period piece, and Wonder Woman. And they should stop trying to knit stuff together. Fuck's sake. It does feel forced as hell.

But the movie was certainly not as bad as people made it out to be.

Also, Poison Ivy should never ever ever be in a movie ever again. Neither should Harley Quinn, unless it's a Batman movie where she plays a secondary villain. Putting the two in a move together as the main characters sounds fucking awful.

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I really dread the upcoming Ghost in the Shell and Akira adaptations that are coming.

Ah what? They're doing an Akira adaptation? Fucking hell! What the shit!

demonrail666 12.18.2016 07:05 PM

 


Blue Velvet

On a bit of a Lynch marathon at the moment. Still blows me away, maybe even more now than ever.

tw2113 12.18.2016 11:02 PM

Mad Max
Safety Not Guaranteed
Mad Max 2: The Road Warrior.

First time ever seeing any of the Mad Max movies. Yes, I'm late to the party.

ilduclo 12.19.2016 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Severian
She's fun in comics as a kind of Robin to the Joker's Batman, but I don't get the massive fan base for a character that started as an extra body in a freaking cartoon. I think she was fine in the movie, more or less, but an entire movie about her seems like a wretched idea. Ditto for the Harley and Ivy movie idea (that's what Sirens of Gotham is supposed to be, I guess, only there will probably be a ridiculous Catwoman too.



it's a low co de thing, you should expect a lot more of this, especially with the makeup, tongue action and short shorts. Pretty adolescent

greenlight 12.19.2016 03:03 PM

 


I forgot how good this movie is

demonrail666 12.19.2016 06:13 PM

 


The Descent

Takes a while to get going but once it does it really picks up. I like the whole idea and the fact in never tries to explain anything. Nothing amazing but definitely a cut above most recent(ish) horror movies.

Severian 12.19.2016 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by demonrail666
 


Blue Velvet

On a bit of a Lynch marathon at the moment. Still blows me away, maybe even more now than ever.


This is and always will be one of my absolute favorite movies of all time. Lynch's best if you ask me. Fucking genius. Also, hilarious... not a lot of people see the hilarity in it, and I've freaked out a few girlfriends by breaking out into full LOLZ during the movie, but it's the best of coffee-black comedy... mixed, of course, with almost unwatchable horrorjfic awfulness. But DAMN what a movie.

Dennis Hopper needs to play Donald Trump in an Oliver Stone movie some day.

Severian 12.19.2016 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by demonrail666
 


The Descent

Takes a while to get going but once it does it really picks up. I like the whole idea and the fact in never tries to explain anything. Nothing amazing but definitely a cut above most recent(ish) horror movies.


Love this. One of my favorite recentish horror movies too. I think it is amazing at times. The setting itself (God, the claustrophobic in me was shitting glass during this movie!) is possibly the most terrifying thing in the film.

The sequel is worth watching too. Not sure it's anywhere near as good, but it does the job.

noisereductions 12.19.2016 10:04 PM

I like the first half of Descent way more than the second half. Claustrophobia was the best monster in that movie.

tw2113 12.19.2016 10:34 PM

Just started The Prestige

demonrail666 12.20.2016 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Severian
This is and always will be one of my absolute favorite movies of all time. Lynch's best if you ask me. Fucking genius. Also, hilarious... not a lot of people see the hilarity in it, and I've freaked out a few girlfriends by breaking out into full LOLZ during the movie, but it's the best of coffee-black comedy... mixed, of course, with almost unwatchable horrorjfic awfulness. But DAMN what a movie.


It's his best film I've seen (still yet to watch The Straight Story and Inland Empire). Not sure about the lolz, though.

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Originally Posted by Severian
Dennis Hopper needs to play Donald Trump in an Oliver Stone movie some day.


Fuck yes! Genius idea!

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Originally Posted by noisereductions
I like the first half of Descent way more than the second half. Claustrophobia was the best monster in that movie.


I do know what you mean. My main issue with the 1st half wasn't so much the long build up but the fact I found all the main characters pretty irritating, so once the horror element kicked in more fully, the film was able to focus more on that than them. But yes, the whole setting and situation was creepy as fuck.

Rob Instigator 12.20.2016 03:17 PM

Saw the LOGAN trailer at the rogue One. It seemed less and less about the OLD MAN LOGAN storyline from the comics.

Rob Instigator 12.20.2016 03:18 PM

I have never enjoyed a Lynch film, beyond watching Eraserhead on the L...l....l..l...S...s..s...s..D...d..d..d..d..d... .

Rob Instigator 12.20.2016 03:19 PM

I find them pretentious in the extreme, slightly racist, and fucking dull in their indeterminacy.

noisereductions 12.20.2016 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
Saw the LOGAN trailer at the rogue One. It seemed less and less about the OLD MAN LOGAN storyline from the comics.


I think it looks awesome. I can't wait.

demonrail666 12.20.2016 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
slightly racist


Not sure I've ever noticed that.

Severian 12.20.2016 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
I have never enjoyed a Lynch film, beyond watching Eraserhead on the L...l....l..l...S...s..s...s..D...d..d..d..d..d... .


Too bad. That's a real shame.

Mullholand Drive was named the greatest horror movie of the ’00s by NPR or some shit in this massive list about a year ago. I'm not sure it is a horror movie, and by horror standards I think there have certainly been better. But it is a GREAT fucking film.

As is Blue Velvet, Fire Walk With Me, shit, even Wild at Heart and Lost Highway, to a lesser extent.

Dune is shit of course. And I actually don't like Eraserhead much, even though I respect it. Watching it is a bit of a chore. Also pretty mightily disturbing.

But Blue Velvet is a cinematic masterpiece.

Severian 12.20.2016 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by demonrail666
Not sure I've ever noticed that.


Is he taking about the Native American bits in Twin Peaks, maybe? If not I'm stumped too.

But you said you didn't see the hilarity in Blue Velvet, and that makes me suspicious. It's clearly meant to be absurd and ridiculously melodramatic right up until it's NOT, and shit gets seriously fucked up. To me this is clear as day. Just like all the hilarious moments on Twin Peaks that take place between the instances of abject horror and depravity.

Please don't think I'm a psycho for thinking Blue Velvet has some laugh out loud funny shit. :(

noisereductions 12.20.2016 09:41 PM

Mulholland Drive has some fucking scary scenes for a non horror movie though.

Severian 12.20.2016 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by noisereductions
Mulholland Drive has some fucking scary scenes for a non horror movie though.


Oh shit yeah man. The last minute of that film has to rank among the most terrifying things I've ever seen on screen.

Fun fact: after Mulholland Drive for the first time, I was so determined to unravel the plot and understand all the symbolism that I actually dug up a film school dissertation on the thing on an academic research database, read the whole goddamn in a night, and watched the movie again the next day.

Little did I — or the poor grad student who'd devoted got knows how long to that paper — know that the film is not a puzzle to be "solved." I think I actually read an interview with Lynch where he admitted that he didn't know the answers to the "how?" and "why?" questions the film leaves you with. It's just... fucking Mullholand Drive. Bitch. Period. :D

!@#$%! 12.21.2016 12:56 AM

after multiple viewings after the years i've come to see mulholland drive as naomi's bardo trip after she offs herself in guilt for the murder she ordered

it's just told retrospectively, so it starts post-death, then shows you how she got dead

entiendes?

demonrail666 12.21.2016 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Severian

But you said you didn't see the hilarity in Blue Velvet, and that makes me suspicious. It's clearly meant to be absurd and ridiculously melodramatic right up until it's NOT, and shit gets seriously fucked up. To me this is clear as day.


I get the absurdity but not the hilarity. I mean there's the whole hokey Lumbertown stuff which is kind of funny but not enough to get me 'breaking out into full LOLZ'. Although admittedly there's only a handful of films that've had me doing that, period.

!@#$%! 12.21.2016 01:30 AM

i don't remember any great hilarity in blue velvet outside of fuck heineken-- pabst blue ribbon but even that happens in the context of great menace

oh, and then, the bird is fake, lol. that?

i should rewatch that-- only seen it twice and it's been a while

noisereductions 12.21.2016 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
after multiple viewings after the years i've come to see mulholland drive as naomi's bardo trip after she offs herself in guilt for the murder she ordered

it's just told retrospectively, so it starts post-death, then shows you how she got dead

entiendes?


yeah. I watched it a few times over the course of a month when it first came out and repeated viewings make it seem a lot more straight forward than at first. "There is no band." And then she's alone. That kind of stuff. And I mean, just the whole FANTASY of a lot of the scenes. The whole L.A. movie star dream thing. And then that ending. I feel like 75% of the story is told in those last moments.

Scariest part to me is the man behind Winky's scene. The total terror on the dude's face talking about that nightmare. My heart pounded when they decide to go look back there. I don't know. It was more the idea that what he dreamed could be happening in real life. Even if it wasn't anything to actually be scared of, if that makes sense? That weird feeling of 'this is really happening'?

I just really love that movie. I've been a fan of Lynch's work for nearly 20 years, and when Mulholland came out I was pretty at the height of my fandom and even then I was like "woah. I think this just became my favorite Lynch movie."


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