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I saw "Split" this weekend. I liked it. Then I watched the documentary Breaking A Monster, pretty solid documentary about a trio of teens in a rock band that's on Netflix.
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I love Snatch. Love it. Don't necessarily love Guy Ritchie, but I do enjoy that film. Good stuff. Trying to think of more Grosse Point Blank-like movies. I'm spacing a bit. Movies that are decidedly not brilliant but still solid, feature a lot of violence and a lot of comedy, and have sweet soundtracks... hmm.. Ever seen Black Snake Moan?  What about Layercake?  |
Oh hey, I've got one! Think it's a good'un too, for what you're looking for, Slambang (re: Grosse Point-esque, good old fashioned kinda dumb action fun)
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Mystery Date from 1991 starring Ethan Hawke comes to mind. Fun, action comedy with a soundtrack including Sonic Youth and not one, not two, but three INXS songs for some reason. |
I started watching Nice Guys, but it was too much of the enjoying brutality to me, having had my arm broken once, it just has like ZERO fucking humor for me...
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wow so many responses. hm... let's see...
BLACK SNAKE MOAN i've seen. he chains the nympho ha ha ha. 10 kinds of wrong. not a terrible moive. LAYERCAKE first time i even hear of it but will investigate THE NICE GUYS i'm having netflix recommend it and i'll try to check it out (sorry ilducio, won't mention this again in front of you) MYSTERY DATE sounds like it should go at the top of my list, right now |
 Near Dark Feels pretty dated now but still a fave. |
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The beauty with Elmore Leonard is pretty much everyone's portrayed negatively |
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in the movie though, chili palmer comes across as mr. cool, and every brown person is an asshole as i recall. but that was from my paper on "race" and "representation." ugh, that subject. gets exhausting. i remember i put get shorty right along with "clear and present danger" where another bolivian (of all nationalities) is the evil anti-jack-ryan. like, literally he wears the same clothes but in red instead of blue. lololol hollywood. gets worse as you put the movies side by side because the indian-looking bolivian of get shorty is a sweaty dumbfuck and the white bolivian of the fascist thriller is a very smart but morally bankrupt supervillain. "race" gets further encrusted. and btw, fuck my education. not that it's good to be blind to those things, but when it's the only perspective that gets hammered over & over & over it just makes you bitter and it gets exhausting. e.g., for years i couldn't laugh at fawlty towers because all i saw was manuel as a negatively portrayed caricature of an oppressed minority, a kind of permanent reminder of trafalgar, ha ha ha ha. which is... somewhat true, but... come on! that's a monomaniacal view--and for that very reason, extremely obtuse. |
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shit, I worked for this guy (as a dishwasher)!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Aj-H--kuZo |
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ho-leee-shiiiit I GOTTA SEE THAT!!! |
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The Bible is the founding document for the Moral world that most of us live in. I read the Bible as a kid in sunday school. my father was an Episcopal Priest and I was an acolyte until age 17. I re-read the Bible again in University, including the standard aprocrypha, around age 20, for a very cool class called the History of the Bible. It was awesome class. The old Rabbi that taught it explained how, as far as the writers of the old testament were concerned, god created eve to keep adam from fucking the vaginas and assholes of the warm animals he had dominion over. I re-re-read the Bible again around age 37 or so, after reading the Old Testament volume of Isaac Asimov's Guide to The Bible. (that book is two volumes, Old Testament Guide around 1300 pgs, and the New testament volume about 1400 pages) why is that so hard to believe? Most religious people read the Bible constantly, their whole life, and may read and re-read it dozens of times. I do not believe in anything though, but I do appreciate the wisdom found in many religious texts. |
The Golden Bough was over 1300 pages, and I did nOT read the 14 volume edition!
The Story of Religious Controversy by Joseph McCabe is 990+ pages. heavy shit! I love long books. |
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There we go. Makes sense now. For the record I didn't not believe you. I just wondered why anyone other than a religious scholar or a student or a would bother to read the Bible SEVERAL TIMES. I know you can do it, that wasn't what I was doubting. The why is what made me wonder. I don't think Sunday School really counts. And I too read chunks of the Bible in college (my minor was philosophy with an emphasis on religion as an undergrad), but cover to cover... multiple times? That just appeals to me exactly ZERO. If anything I'm impressed. Despite it's bad rap from intellectuals, the Bible has a lot of profound and powerful stuff in it, and calling it "dense" is just a very obvious understatement. But you're clearly very invested in learning, and that's badass. ... part of the reason why I thought you'd like Book of the New Sun, which can read a bit like a biblical text peppered with parables. Anyhoo... I'm sorry, I didn't mean to sound combative or dismissive. |
Most people who read the Bible are very selective, or otherwise they wouldn't call it a moral guide.
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have you killed your slave yet? anyway, back to the subject of this thread, tell us about that chef. he looks like an interesting "character" (as they say). |
Probably Reservoir Dogs for the first time ever. I can see why it gets its hype, but ehhh. Not my style, which bodes badly for Pulp Fiction which I haven't seen before.
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i remember first time i saw pulp fiction i was nervous as shit for the first 45 minutes. because, at the time, it was fucking ultraviolent and disturbing. then i got the joke. then i laughed for the rest of the movie. then again pulp fiction is very talky and it's mostly about the dialogue so that might not fly for you if the previous one didn't. |
I find the irritating aspects of Tarantino's personality such an overbearing presence in his films now, that I can barely watch any of them anymore. Even ones I used to really like, like Jackie Brown - which he didn't even write the dialogue for.
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Funny, I had the same experience. Part of it, I'm sure, was that I'd heard so much about it, and being pretty young at the time, I was still a bit apprehensive about movies that were branded overly graphic. But I actually watched it in the theater with my mother, who just loathes excessive violence in movies, and we had a blast. She too was laughing her ass off. Not all the way through of course. Rape and kidnapping are never funny. Don't mean to imply I was having a chuckle when Marsellus Wallace was gagging on a rubber ball. But... most of the film is objectively hilarious. |
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there was this structuralist literary theorist, tzvetan todorov, who argued that every work of art contained a statement of its own poetics. it actually works quite often if you look carefully. a little manifesto or aesthetic proclamation jammed somewhere in the text. so... "ketchup..." was the big epiphany for me. couldn't stop laughing afterwards. |
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I agree. He makes me mad. The Hateful Eight was the final nail in the coffin for me. Absolutely horrible and way too long. It seems he's surrounded by yes men who elevated him from film nerd to genius over the years. I did actually enjoy Inglorious Bastards which I will re watch but his dialogue to me is like listening to an annoying guy at a bar who is trying way too hard to impress and provoke. Sorry I can not stand Tarantino or his dorm room films one bit. |
 The Shrine Way above average piece of Lovecraftian weirdness  |
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Ooooh! Thanks for this! Lovecraftian you say? I am so down. Never heard of this one before. |
And here I thought I'd be skewered for my meh-ness
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Oh, you think to little of us! No such thing as meh-ness. I like superhero movies, remember? How meh can ya geh? |
Meh addict = jiggasaurus
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I don't know if it's consciously Lovecraftian but it could be interpreted that way. |
This reminds me of the time Stefan lacrosse (fuckface) had such a crush on ghoulie gorgeous he joined the school choir to ask to be her date for the prom in the summer blockbuster video 'American Fibonacci'
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That was the one (or two) that marked the end of my interest in him, before getting to the point where I couldn't even watch his earlier stuff, which I'd previously enjoyed. |
Tarantino is best friends with Anansi the spider from ife Nigeria. What a joke!
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No man, I gotcha. I didn't think you meant "Lovecraftian" to mean "directly inspired by or adapted from Lovecraft." I just assumed you were referring to the style and feel of the thing. Honestly, Lovecraft is almost a genre unto himself. Like, literally. Have you ever walked into the horror section of a Barnes & Noble? There are more books of fiction written by other authors in the "Lovecraftian" style than there are actual Lovecraft books. I've never actually read any of these, not even the ones with big names like Gaiman of King, because it's basically fan fiction, and I'm not super interested in that. But in addition to all those anthologies that actually declare themselves to be "Lovecraftian," there are also hundreds of books that are heavily influenced by Lovecraft's style without being overt tribute to him. Blah blah, Sev talk and type too much. All I mean is, whatwever dude... I trust you. If you say it's "Lovecraftian," I'll check it out, and expect it to tickle those sensors, even if it's not about Cthulhu. |
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Hmm. Really? I can't relate. Kill Bill was a whole different kind of movie than any of his previous films, and by comparison it's extremely campy and at times outright dumb. But it's supposed to be, so I can't imagine seeing it as a failure. Tarantino has always been big into genre-hopping. Making films within certain archetypal molds, and putting his stamp on them — which often means blowing them to hell in one way or another. He's done this with mob films, and westerns and war films and noir films and Blacksploitation films. He was already about this shit before Kill Bill, but Kill Bill sent him into overdrive with it. I think Kill Bill is Tarantino's superhero epic. But because he's Tarantino, he did it in a really weird ass way, and made sure to accentuate the absurdity at every angle. The polar opposite of Christopher Nolan doing Batman, and elevating the production and experience and acting and everything. Tarantino didn't bring the hero's journey to his "high art" level; he got down and wallowed in the muck with all the corny tropes he could find. What strikes me most about Kill Bill is a.) how much fucking fun it is! and b.) how it manages to actually achieve some genuine, emotionally powerful moments amid all the insane bullshit. I just love Kill Bill, and I may be totally out of my mind for feeling this way, but I think it's actually my second favorite Tarantino movie. It's just a blast... until, of course, it gets uncomfortably dark and people start getting buried alive and whatnot. Also, remember, Jackie Brown was a FLOP. It was and is a great movie, and an excellent follow-up to Pulp Fiction, but most people didn't get that at the time. It was a disappointment to people who thought he was going to be some kind of slacker Scorsese. If you'll remember, after the release of Jackie Brown and in the subsequent years, he was frequently discussed kind of an M. Night Shamalamadingdong (circa... well, everything after Unbreakable) kind of way. He felt he needed to win back some fans, so he made a big stunner. |
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i did like inglorious basterds though, with the exception of that cheesy "this is jewish vengeance" line lololol. wouldn't watch it twice, but the first time was entertaining. django unchained i also enjoyed for the most part. a bit schlocky, but i liked the characters-- the uncle tom dude was hilarious, as was teh german dude. his installment in grindhouse bored me to tears. what was it about? some endless chatter and a car chase? rodriguez blew him out of the water. |
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Fair enough. I just think that was the moment where he kind of stopped evolving. Jackie Brown seemed to me like the point where he was really maturing. Able to make a film about actual people, rather than mere quoters of Tarantino-speak. I wouldn't call it a flop, I just think he bottled it because it didn't do as well as expected and he's played it safe (in terms of audience expectation) ever since. Compare the comfort zone he works in with someone like PT Anderson, who could've just as easily settled on churning out box-office and fan friendly variations on Boogie Nights but has instead chosen to take some real risks. Kill Bill for me is just the start of Tarantino becoming a brand rather than a filmmaker. And an increasingly tired brand, at that. |
the fight scene in the bar where the 4.5.6.7's are playing is awesome in KB2
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