does the ghost of original Blade Runner haunts Blade Runner 2049?

“Blade Runner 2049 will be one of the great disappointments of 2017. Weekend box office was just $31.5 million, about half of what it should have been.
What went wrong? The only thing I can say is, October is not an Oscar month. With an 89 on Rotten Tomatoes, falling slightly from a 98, I thought more would have been made of this stunning film. But there was no New York premiere, no NY hoopla, and in LA Warner Bros. waited so long for a premiere that they got knocked out by the tragedy in Las Vegas. So the west coast premiere went off the record with red carpet.
Also, just Monday morning quarterbacking, there might have been a week of the original “Blade Runner” in theaters or on platforms so the audience didn’t feel lost. A lot of people felt that if they didn’t know the first movie they wouldn’t get this one. So only hardcore fans went to see 2049.
What a shame. You don’t need to see the original to enjoy “2049.” You can go and enjoy it for what it is. Denis Villeneuve has made his own masterpiece, with a great performance by Ryan Gosling and and amazing cinematography by Roger Deakins."

http://www.showbiz411.com/2017/10/08...-huge-build-up

Must watch whichever version ends with the origami sheep. Period. I forget which version that is, but that is THE one.

wont spoil it but a sheep it is not

so yes 2007 final cut (just read last night) contains everything that should be there plus nothing that shouldnt

Whatever the fuck it is then. Shit. There’s an origami sheep in the new one.

What is it? Fuck.

I'll probably see it, but am not too thrilled.

i'll tell you over PM later

I always get Blade Runner confused with Brazil.

Only slightly trolling.

Brazil was awesome! Had it all, shoe hats, ductwork, Central Services!

one of my favorite movies ever

blew my mind first time i saw it

or was it the weed?

okay so i have the option of seeing the new blade runner "standard" "3d" "xd" and "3d xd" -- i think

wtf is this bullshit and which one should i choose?

no 3d for me-- fucking headaches and gimmicks

standard sounds like a sweet deal so far ha ha ha

Just go standard. 3D is just gimmicky shit that's too expensive.

Agreed. I did standard and it was perfectly glorious and immersive. Great sound, great cinematography. I think 3-D would actually fuck the movie up.

Go see it though.

Not even Jared Leto could tarnish this thing. It’s just MOMENTOUS. Seriously. It is an epic and a half.

Here's a good question. I can't be arsed to read through 1085 pages of replies to see if it's been asked before.

What movies were big at the theaters, but in hindsight, are generally considered to be stinkers now?

Trying to counter naysayers that think Blade Runner 2049 is only as good as the box office totals.

Titanic?
Avatar?
Rush Hour?
Fast and the Furious?
Spider-Man?
ALL the Star Wars prequels?
Every Jurassic Park movie other than Jurassic Park?

Batman V. Superman was HUUUGE at the box office, but look at that.

Fury Road didn’t really become a blockbuster until it got the Oscar nom, then it returned to theaters and became a “classic.”

Blade Runner 2049 was objectively amazing form any and all perspectives. Yes, Gosling plays a quiet guy. He doesn’t always, but he did here. But the character was far from one dimensional or mute. This wasn’t “Kid” from Drive all over again.

People are idiots. I haven’t seen such an elegant film in the theater in ages.

^^^

Also, that position would mean that the original Blade Runner isn’t actually that good. It was a hit, sure, but not a smash. It wasn’t Star Wars. So anyone arguing that the BRILLIANT new film is bad because it’s not making Avengers dough would have to apply that same reasoning to the original.

How much did Memento make?
Batman Begins?
No Country for Old Men?
Drive? Fucking Drive ass Drive?! HOW MUCH DID FUCKING DRIVE MAKE, NAYSAYERS?!!! WHAT ABOUT EX-MACHINA?

Fuck them.

did a little research. looks like XD is the way to go. not 3D XD (which is a thing) but "just" XD (looks like im laughing on the interwebs) -- mega-screen, massive sound system, great projection... looks like the successor to the THX standard

http://1025kiss.com/cinemark-introdu...theater-video/

i might try that one

Awww man they didn’t offer that at the shitcan I went to. :eek:

I envy you sir.

Bring some ibuprofen for the old lower back if they don’t have cushy seats. Trust me. It doesn’t *feel* long, but that fucker is LOOOOOOONG.

I actually like Titanic as an every now and then thing, and that's just fine.

That is just fine! But it does qualify, right? I mean, it made tons of dough (still more than any movie ever?) and even won Best Picture, but it’s generally considered pretty crap. Not judging you or the movie, just trying to provide ammunition for your noble battle against Blade Runner 2049 naysayers who suck and are stupid.

Nah, Titanic as a film is just fine. There's some good stuff in that and James Cameron actually did a good job of a film that could have easily been an absolute mess. If you'd said Pearl Harbour you'd have a point.

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhh.... I still think I have a point. I’m sure the movie is fine and not terrible, but I’m also pretty sure it’s considered a joke by most.
I honestly don’t have anything against it. It’s entertaining, it’s emotional, it has boobs, etc., and the acting is not at all bad. But conceptually it’s a fucking nightmare. It’s an example of the worst kind of audience manipulation.

The only difference between Titanic and Pearl Harbor is the setting in which the imaginary love affair takes place, and the quality of the production staff. Titanic gave birth to Pearl Harbor.

Anyway I’m not saying Titanic is bad, I’m saying it’s a film based entirely on epic pretense, flagrant untruths, and a tearjerker ballad that gave birth to an entire line of mini-Titanics. As a result, it’s a joke that made a lot of money.

Or, y’know, sure. Pearl Harbor.

It was most definitely parodied to death, especially at the time.

biggest blockbusters of the 21st century so far

RANK TITLE ADJUSTED RANK IN
GROSS TOP
(S millions) 100 all time
garbage—> 1 Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Disney/2015) 955.7 11
garbage—> 2 Avatar (20th Century Fox/2009) 859.7 15
garbage—> 3 Jurassic World (Universal/2015) 699.0 24
super fun —> 4 The Avengers (Disney/2012) 679.6 29
severian is here so i’ll shut up 5 The Dark Knight (Warner Bros./2008) 658.3 31
garbage —> 6 Shrek 2 (Dreamworks/ 628.1 35
garbage —> 7 Spider-Man (Sony/2002) 614.2 38
garbage, but which one was this? —> 8 Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Men’s Chest (Disney/2006) 571.3 48
whatever, people... 9 The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (New Line/2003) 544.9 54
eh.... 10 Finding Nemo (Disney/2003) 544.4 55
acceptable but not in any way great —> 11 Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (Disney/2016) 534.3 57
garbage —> 12 Spider-Man 2 (Sony/2004) 531.8 59
lolololol —> 13 The Passion of the Christ (Newmarker/2004) 528.8 63
garbage —> 14 Star Wars: Episode III – Revenge of the Sith (20th Century Fox/2005) 524.4 64
i choose to remain silent, but mad ents are cool 15 The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers (New Line/2002) 510.3 66
severiah, shhhh 16 The Dark Knight Rises (Warner Bros./2012) 509.0 67
huh??? 17 Beauty and the Beast (Disney/2017) 504.0 70
havent seen 18 Finding Dory (Disney/2016) 496.4 73
havent seen 19 Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone (Warner Bros./2001) 494.3 75
i choose to remain silent 20 The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the King (New Line/2001) 484.4 83
havent seen but im sure it’s garbage 21 Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (Paramount/2009) 476.5 87
garbage —> 22 Avengers: Age of Ultron (Disney/2015) 473.2 93
pfffffftttttt—> 23 Stars Wars – Episode II: Attack of the Clones (20th Century Fox/2002) 472.7 94
have not seen —> 24 Toy Story 3 (Disney/2010) 461.5 97
garbage —> 25 The Hunger Games: Catching Fire (Lionsgate/2013) 451.9 99

i really like avengers but none of these is any kind of “masterpiece” although severian is gonna say that batman is the godfather/raging bull/8 1/2 of our time — but if you put that aside for a moment, no film revolution at the blockbuster chart, except maybe technical between avataro and peter jackson who did “revolutionary” shit with cgi and effects.

I thought Avengers sucked too.

But have you met people? They tend to be very stupid. This list is sad, but not surprising.

i try not to meet them, but it can’t be helped

i’m still trying though

i guess avengers sucks in that it’s a comic book movie about some ridiculous aliens attacking new york and supeheroes “defending” it

but i enjoyed the humor and whedonesque dialogue in the face of such convoluted cosmic convulsions

i don’t give 3 shits about “tesseracs” and “assguards” and all that nonsense

but i did have a good time at the place when i saw it

in any case blockbusterism is no sign of aesthetic or philosophical triumph so there’s fodder for that cannon as requested

The second one was better and more fun and Cap’s costume was better.


WHOAH! Way to go Dark Knight!!!!

That’s a terrible list with a few exceptions, but only two truly great films. The Nolan ones. Can’t believe those movies have made that much. Wow. I know Dark Knight broke records in its opening weekend, but I didn’t think it had maintained that momentum.

Inarguably great movie, that. Yep. No sane person would ever argue otherwise. :cool:

Pat Boone would sell 20x the records with white-washed, sterilized versions of rowdy black music. (This is why Little Richard recorded Long Tall Sally at breakneck speed, so white boy Boone coud not perfoem it with his slow ass delivery.)
The most money earned does NOT correlate with quality, in any thing. Most of the highest paid state employees in USA are college football coaches. they earn millioons more than the provosts, the presidents, the chairman of the board of directors, etc., but only because the dumbfuck lowest-common-denominator idiots in our population think it is A-OK!!!

lolololol

im gonna start writing your lines for you in advance!

Well you’re going to have to write with yourself in mind then, because I said that last bit *just* for you. ;)

exactly! :D

Freaked.

So insanely stupid it's absolutely awesome.

Alex Winter's best work outside of Bill and Ted. Sorry fans of The Lost Boys.

nice.

Al Pacino and Robert De Niro together again on the set of Martin Scorsese's long-awaited new mob epic The Irishman

Pacino? Who gives a fuck?

Pesci!

yeah, nice one.

Just rented Baby Drive and must say I was very pleasantly surprised with how much I enjoyed it. Did not think it would be up my alley of tastes, but found myself amused throughout. I was very immersed in the creative aspects. I mean, who the fuck chooses to roll with Focus's "Hocus Pocus" during a footchase scene in a car-chase movie, and why did it work so damn well?

I know absolutely nothing of this, but am completely intrigued...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uStWk3TCnn8

The whole thing is here. Seems like pretty good quality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYXmCZxSeFI

oh man Freaked is a classic haha. That was one of those movies I remember seeing a million times on like Cinemax in the early 90's.