While we were taking about underrated players with Son, If there's a patron saint for those players it must surely bel Milne. He's gonna leave a huge hole in that Liverpool squad when he does eventually retire.

Intelligent criticism of PSG after the Liverpool game:

https://www.theguardian.com/football...uchel-football

thank you!

So who's watching what tonight?


17:55 Ajax AEK Athens
17:55 Shakhtar Hoffenheim
20:00 Benfica Bayern
20:00 Man City Lyon
20:00 Real Madrid Roma
20:00 Valencia Juventus
20:00 Viktoria CSKA Moscow
20:00 Young Boys Man Utd

I'll probably go with the Man City game but none of them look that interesting.

oh, interested i benfica bayern, ty for the heads up

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btw read the jonathan wilson bit, and i’m not convinced

he makes you forget the game almost ended 2-2

i saw a game where liverpool dominated possession, sure

but the score tells a different story

im not ready to write off psg after this display

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also im not a huge fan of count orlock, who disappointed at dortmund, but taking away a tie abroad against last year’s finalist would not have been a bad result at all

Yeah, I read it fully after I linked it and I agree: his assessment of the game itself was way off. I did think PSG were awful but criticism has to go to Liverpool, too, for letting them back in. His criticism of PSG's defence for Firminho's winner was spot on though.

I've not seen enough of PSG under Tuchel to know if that was a representative performance but if it was they will have problems, and that's where I really agreed with the article. But we'll know a lot more when/if they go deeper into the tournament.

But yeah, not as good an article as I 1st thought.

yeah nobody has seen count orlock really, this being his first season. he spent last year unemployed, not sure where (brooklyn perhaps? lol)

im still gathering commentaries on the game. i watched it in univision and those guys are definitely not experts on european football, so they say mostly pointless shit.

guardian apparently has several pieces. will post links here as i find.

oh, his point about a lack of domestic challenges is spot on

i thought bayern experienced a bit of that under guardiola. so far ahead at home, they didnt know how to face a challenge anymore. so they’d punk the weak teams (7-0 at roma) and fold before the good ones.

More than just the lack of competition, it's the way everything seems designed solely to cater to a couple of (undoubted) megastars.At a different level, obviously, but it's the exact point I was making about Chichorito, and players like him, being gradually phased out, as teams try to emulate the more fluid style associated with the new generation of managers, of which Tuchel is obviously a part. For me it's less about PSG, who are, after all, only doing what Real were doing during their Galactico era, I just think that models dying and while there'll always be a place for players like Neymar, I don't think the new managers (by which I suppose I mean post-Pep) would be interested in him the way he plays for PSG. He'd be expected to contribute far more.

Tbf, he did end up tracking back a lot more than usual. Or more than I've seen of him do. Sure there was one point he was basically acting like a LB.

oh, a funny thing the univision dudes were saying instead of calling the game

they started yapping about how neymar was now the most hated player in the world

“more even than cristiano ronaldo” said one ha ha ha ha

the other one said that cristiano was highly respected in england nevertheless

bayern injuries for this match:

coman injured from season start now surgery out 3 months

tolisso broken anterior cruciate ligament (knee) surgery out 7-8 months

rafinha torn ankle ligaments out several weeks

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nevertheless, after a nice ribery-alaba play, lewandowski scores easy from a cross

Man City in full self destruct mode

oh! what???

bayern having it easy ahead just 1-0 missing chances

fortunately today univision featuring argentinians on announcing & commentary

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SO, do you blame pep? xD

Guess you can blame him for getting banned from the touchline.

Oh city. Plus ça change

Nope, patriarchal capitalism.

so what's going on? i cant see it

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javi martinez seems having a pulled calf

All I can tell you is Man City were terrible but got it back to 1-2. Pep will be hoping that was their obligatory collapse out of the way early. But take nothing away from Lyon, who were excellent. It wasn't pretty though.

k. i'll look for highlights

tomorrow man city v. wolves!!!

sure hope they show it in my channel because that would be a feast for the eyes