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The Soup Nazi 02.02.2017 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evollove
Yeah, I saw that the other day. It offended me then too.

You know what's like the Holocaust? Nothing.


The quality of your posts has really taken a dive over the last few weeks or so.

evollove 02.02.2017 04:56 PM

Yeah, I should really take a cue from you and simply post other people's ideas. Go on. Hit me with a witty meme.


EDIT: Okay. I admit I have been grumpy. It's been going on since January 20th as far as I can tell.

evollove 02.02.2017 07:33 PM

Okay. I've been a dick.

The Holocaust was epoch shattering. It brought Enlightenment principles to a crashing end. It is no longer possible to seriously believe in things such as democracy, technological progress, or the palliative nature of high culture anymore. These things either failed, or turned against us and brought us about as low as we can go as a species.

And of course I vomit and cry at the long list of 20th Century atrocities, but as far as sheet historical weight goes, there is no proper modern analogy. Nothing is "like" it, because if it was, it would mean the utter failure of the very few things we still hold on to as "good" in our civilization. Might as well call off the human experiment entirely.

That said, the Nazis were more than the Holocaust, and analogies in that sense abound.

Trump to focus counter-extremism program solely on Islam

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN15G5VO?il=0

Only a fucking American Nazi would give American Nazis a fucking pass. This is scary shit. Makes me grumpy and not post as well as I should.

Severian 02.02.2017 07:58 PM

I've been clinically depressed since Nov. 8 at about 9 p.m. EST. I imagine you have too, and Jan. 20 only re-opened that slow-healing wound, exposing it to infection and bacteria and nesting flies. Don't apologize. This is the most dishearteningly and thoroughly fucked up period if American politics that I have witnessed in my life. Or been conscious enough to truly be aware of.

Nothing feels right. The world is upside down. There's every reason in the world to be a bit out of your head about it.

!@#$%! 02.02.2017 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evollove
And of course I vomit and cry at the long list of 20th Century atrocities, but as far as sheet historical weight goes, there is no proper modern analogy. Nothing is "like" it, because if it was, it would mean the utter failure of the very few things we still hold on to as "good" in our civilization. Might as well call off the human experiment entirely.


well, yes, we're some shitty apes

there are proper modern analogies though. in ukraine, stalin purposefully starved some 8 million ukranians while promising paradise on earth after the gospel according to st. karl marx. you realize the atrocious contradiction yes?

but we have better documentation on the holocaust so we can tell.

history is about documentation. this is why we know so little about the armenians but so much about the holocaust.

for example, i used to know an ethnically armenian turkish girl who had never heard of the genocide of her own people. frankly i hadn't heard about it before i witnessed this greek guy tell her. that was a peculiar moment.

and we don't hear a lot about ukranians having to eat their own family members, but that definitely happened, although there aren't a lot of records.

anyway, yeah, we've failed as a species. the best we can hope for is some sort of salvage operation, but we're currently banrkupt, and doubling down on our stupidity.

now the president of the most powerful nation in the "free world" is acting like an abusive father who demands total obedience from his children, and we're just standing around looking in disbelief.

i'm just watching tv while making this "passionate statement" by the way. so that's how useful i am.

pepper_green 02.02.2017 09:02 PM

anymore theories? always non-conclusive and breathing hot air.

of course we're fucked. that's the whole point. politics is an exercise in futility and trying to perfect it is a cat and mouse game.

me? im thrilled in a sick way by it all. you got to hand it the fucker. he's doing all he said he was going to do.

pepper_green 02.02.2017 09:17 PM

so what's the deal with twitter? can I just start an account? or do I have to write Trump old skool myself and tell him to "KISS MY ASS"?

doesn't he have like 30 government employees reading those letters everyday anyway? wasting tax payers money?

id be great if he wrote back to me back saying "im going to built a wall around Georgia". me, reading that in my head in that stupid New York accent he has.

what a fucking cunt.

thought it was funny that he pissed off Australia. though not everyone can be Papillon. Im totally for his immigration policies.

pepper_green 02.02.2017 09:38 PM

my questions is: why are your fucked up countries policies are so fucked that you feel you have to dump your waste on us?

fuck off and get yr shit straight.

and kiss my ass.

_tunic_ 02.03.2017 02:06 AM

Kellyanne Conway blames refugees for 'Bowling Green massacre' that never happened

Quote:

Conway [...] cited the fictional “Bowling Green massacre” in an interview in which she backed the travel ban imposed on visitors from seven Muslim-majority countries.

demonrail666 02.03.2017 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
but we have better documentation on the holocaust so we can tell.

history is about documentation. this is why we know so little about the armenians but so much about the holocaust.


That's true, but there are also people in 'legitimate' and influential areas of society (mostly education, but also some areas of (mainly local) government) who consider themselves communists and refuse to see any equivalence between Nazi Germany and what went on in various Communist countries.

evollove 02.03.2017 07:34 AM

Rally tomorrow in my little town. Hope at least 100 people show up.

PLips 02.03.2017 09:45 AM

Yeah the intrusive nature of this Bullshit is embarrassing to the middle class. Like he's watching middle America backwards through their TVSETS. Totally how Thurston wrote that 'Antenna' song and how the fuck does Hollywood or Radio possibly figure out their viewership or ratings.

Somehow Media Intelligentsia always knew they could tell radio technology always registered how many people were picking up radio signals and keep that secret private in a fault in some Masonic Scientologist RosiCrucsian Quasi-Front that's treated like Fort Knox yet is an obnoxious fucking joke!!

Toilet & Bowels 02.03.2017 03:15 PM

Bandcamp are giving all their proceeds from today's sales to the ACLU. Go and buy stuff.

ilduclo 02.03.2017 05:39 PM

And the new CIA Deputy Director is Gina Haspel, who once ran a black site and may have had a hand in getting rid of the torture tapes.

https://theintercept.com/2017/02/02/...puty-director/

Isn't that interesting?

The Soup Nazi 02.03.2017 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels
Bandcamp are giving all their proceeds from today's sales to the ACLU. Go and buy stuff.


I was told I "sound[ed] like an idiot when [i] suggest[ed] we buy a CD, proceeds of which will go to a few charities."

http://www.sonicyouth.com/gossip/sho...postcount=2211

http://www.sonicyouth.com/gossip/sho...postcount=2212

As you can read via the links above, I was also told to basically put away childish things and "Get ACTIVE". Did you even begin to consider I may not be able to get super-duper-"active" because I actually don't live in the United States and am not even a U.S. citizen? I have repeatedly said I live outside the States. But you didn't factor in jack shit. I could easily have spent that money on candy or whatever and just be chillin' like bobdyllin' and simply stare at the TV while YOUR COUNTRY FUCKS UP THE ENTIRE PLANET. But since I have the deepest love for the land of Charley Patton and Chuck Berry and Lou Reed and Sleater-Kinney, and I actually give a fuck, I got as active as I could. And so did a lotta idiot-sounding people like me, apparently, since last weekend alone the ACLU "got $24 million in online donations [...], six times its yearly average". And said "charity" was the main one fighting Trump's horseshit. Curious! To the people who gave me shit: :fuckyou:.

ilduclo 02.03.2017 06:35 PM

well, except for a few idiots, we're mostly on the same side here. I love alla you lefties(esp TSN) here! Now the few of you who are tighty whitey righties I agree with this sentiment :fuckyou: :fuckyou: :fuckyou:

!@#$%! 02.03.2017 06:39 PM

I have repeatedly said I live outside the States. But you didn't factor in jack shit.

eres shileno ueón?

confiesa!

The Soup Nazi 02.03.2017 06:53 PM

Bruce Springsteen Addresses Trump Call With Aussie Leader by Covering "Don't Hang Up" in Melbourne
"We stand before you embarrassed Americans tonight..."

Severian 02.04.2017 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Soup Nazi
I was told I "sound[ed] like an idiot when [i] suggest[ed] we buy a CD, proceeds of which will go to a few charities."

http://www.sonicyouth.com/gossip/sho...postcount=2211

http://www.sonicyouth.com/gossip/sho...postcount=2212

As you can read via the links above, I was also told to basically put away childish things and "Get ACTIVE". Did you even begin to consider I may not be able to get super-duper-"active" because I actually don't live in the United States and am not even a U.S. citizen? I have repeatedly said I live outside the States. But you didn't factor in jack shit. I could easily have spent that money on candy or whatever and just be chillin' like bobdyllin' and simply stare at the TV while YOUR COUNTRY FUCKS UP THE ENTIRE PLANET. But since I have the deepest love for the land of Charley Patton and Chuck Berry and Lou Reed and Sleater-Kinney, and I actually give a fuck, I got as active as I could. And so did a lotta idiot-sounding people like me, apparently, since last weekend alone the ACLU "got $24 million in online donations [...], six times its yearly average". And said "charity" was the main one fighting Trump's horseshit. Curious! To the people who gave me shit: :fuckyou:.


I have to spread some reputation around before I can give it to you again apparently. Just letting you know I tried.

I have no idea what happened here... what I missed... but I'm 100% sure that if you were given shit because you donate to ACLU through bandcamp purchases, then I'd be the first to defend you against anyone who told you this was childish.

We do what we can. Many people who are "getting involved" in more direct ways are being written off as "whiners" and "complainers"; protesters are being labeled "rioters" en masse based on th actions of the extreme minority. I say hats off to you. I've made donations to the ACLU too, but I missed out on bandcamp because, well, frankly I spaced on it... but I would have done it too, so... fuck it.

Severian 02.04.2017 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Schunk
The plain language of the order passes constitutional muster as it specifies countries rather than religion, and excludes most majority-Muslim countries (including the largest, Indonesia), targeting countries known to have produced problem emigrants to other countries.

Here, you're confusing the travel moratorium with the refugee suspension, which specifies a 120-day moratorium on new admissions worldwide, which does not trigger Article 8 of the 1967 Protocol Relating to the Status of Refugees as it is non-discriminatory. The indefinite suspension specifying Syria may also not trigger the application of Article 8 as Syria is not a signatory to the Protocol. In any case, the 1967 Protocol is primarily concerned with deportation of recognized landed refugees, with a primary concern for preventing refoulment. The US handicaps itself by recognizing refugees in situ (i.e., prior to landing), but there is no danger of refoulment as the refugees are in camps either in Turkey or in areas of Syria outside the control of the Assad regime (i.e., there is no deportation).

You're entitled to your opinion, of course.


Dammit, when you respond with hard information instead of rhetoric, then you're not playing the game right! ;)

Ok, still — Trump made a campaign promise to specifically impose a shutdown on Muslims entering the U.S. Now, he's patting himself on the back for following through on campaign promises. So whether or not the specific language of the orders contains direct references to a specific religion, there is still a string probability that the orders were motivated by a religious prejudice.

What I'm saying is: maybe every official document "passes constitutional muster," but that doesn't actually say anything about the motivation behind the actions. Trump is essentially saying in a roundabout way, "This is that Muslim shutdowns I was talking about."

Severian 02.05.2017 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Schunk
BREAKING:

Actual footage of the 3-judge panel of the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals reversing, in part, President Trump's Executive Order relating to immigration:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=416o9b_pjQk

***

That aside, I strongly disagree with the decision for reasons stated above, and remind you all that the 9th Circuit is frequently overruled by the US Supreme Court, except that, now that the Supreme Court has only eight members, 4 liberal and 4 conservative, any evenly split ruling (quite likely in this matter) will be resolved by upholding the 9rth Circuit's ruling.

:eek:

And, how do I feel about that?

About like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KI7owlhwP0A

(Hey, at least the ad celebrates my native upper-midwestern value system, and the vehicle being advertised is a creation of my own beloved ancestral land!)

:mad:


That's a really nauseating advertisement. I can't believe how stupid everything is right now. Anyway, so you feel... Easy Rider about it? Born to be Wild about it?

I don't know that a half and half split in the US Supreme Court is really all that likely, with more and more Republicans and conservatives speaking out to oppose the order.

Severian 02.07.2017 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Schunk
Why don't you like the ad? I thought it was funny. And I meant that I felt blocked in by it.


The ad? Why didn't I like it? Seriously?

I hate all ads. I'm a glutton for some good consumer shit (Apple.) but I fucking hate ads. The only "ads" I sometimes like are movie trailers. I hate that this ad manages to make both Easy Rider and the Coen Brothers feel cheap and face palm-inducing. Seriously, I'm pretty sure I'm objectively correct on this on: that ad is shit, and is borderine offensive to whatever part of me used to be punk before I got a desk job and a 401k.

Also, cheers to Seattle. Or, rather, "Viva Seattle-Tacoma, Viva viva Sea-Tac!" Suck on that, fat illiterate dickhead administration. So proud of my home state.

h8kurdt 02.07.2017 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Severian
The ad? Why didn't I like it? Seriously?

I hate all ads. I'm a glutton for some good consumer shit (Apple.) but I fucking hate ads. The only "ads" I sometimes like are movie trailers. I hate that this ad manages to make both Easy Rider and the Coen Brothers feel cheap and face palm-inducing. Seriously, I'm pretty sure I'm objectively correct on this on: that ad is shit, and is borderine offensive to whatever part of me used to be punk before I got a desk job and a 401k.

Also, cheers to Seattle. Or, rather, "Viva Seattle-Tacoma, Viva viva Sea-Tac!" Suck on that, fat illiterate dickhead administration. So proud of my home state.


:D Classic

!@#$%! 02.07.2017 03:20 PM

thanks severian

--

and shit, fuck, sorry for the bad news but devos got confirmed by the senate with a tiebreaker from pence

i hope she's out very very soon

tesla69 02.08.2017 07:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Soup Nazi
simply stare at the TV while YOUR COUNTRY FUCKS UP THE ENTIRE PLANET..


A big powerful statement of bullshit from the boardie who calls himself a Nazi.

Severian 02.08.2017 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by !@#$%!
thanks severian

--

and shit, fuck, sorry for the bad news but devos got confirmed by the senate with a tiebreaker from pence

i hope she's out very very soon


Yes, I actually got the alert from the Associated Press before they even broke the story. Fucked my morning right up, especially since all that was available via AP was a headline and the words "Story in progress." I already felt fucked in the arse, I didn't have to be technologically frustrated as well!!!

Fucking, motherfucking Mike Pence. It would just HAVE to be the case that he happens to be called upon to give the first vice-presidential tie-breaking vote in the history of US Cabinet appointments. It just FITS perfectly with the fucked-upedness of this godforsaken era.

I, Severian, am more qualified to be the Secretary of Education than this woman is. This is not hyperbole!!! So are most of you! Symbols, want a new job? Anyone ever attend a public school or college and/or sent their children to one? Anyone ever been to a PTA meeting?!! Student taught? SOLD CHOCOLATE FOR YOUR KID'S SOCCER TEAM?!?? Congratulations, you have more expertise than the Secretary of Education.

I'm about to spazz.

Severian 02.08.2017 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by h8kurdt
:D Classic


It was meant to be tongue-in-cheek....

But it's also true. I really hate it when people wax righteously indignant and condemn things that they very obviously participate in and support. I'm not going to bitch about advertising and act like I'm immune to it. We were recently given new iPhone 7s at work, and I LOVE the thing. So much so that I got a personal one. So I'm a total whore in my own way.

But I'm not a whore in THAT way. That commercial and all commercials that trivialize and commodify art and culture, trading in powerful statements for meme returns, can eat a prick and die choking on said prick.
I would never have seen the thing if Robert had not posted the link because I don't have television for this exact reason. It makes me sick to my stomach.

Am I 100% above it though? Fuck no.

PLips 02.08.2017 11:49 AM

You're a blatant Trumposexual Wayne! You might as well face it you're addicted to Trump! (Quewuwe 80s music video)

The Soup Nazi 02.08.2017 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by tesla69
A big powerful statement of bullshit from the boardie who calls himself a Nazi.


Right. "You call yourself a Nazi? You ain't Nazi enough by my standards! You wouldn't be caught dead at the next Nazi meeting I'm attending!"

ilduclo 02.08.2017 04:38 PM

no soup for you

The Soup Nazi 02.08.2017 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ilduclo
no soup for you


 

Severian 02.08.2017 08:03 PM

Is PLips saying anything that's not bullshit? I see that he's posting, just not what he's posting. On account of I ignored his ass.

tw2113 02.08.2017 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Severian
Is PLips saying anything that's not bullshit? I see that he's posting, just not what he's posting. On account of I ignored his ass.

To quote: "You're a blatant Trumposexual Wayne! You might as well face it you're addicted to Trump! (Quewuwe 80s music video)"

in short, he's spewing shit.

Severian 02.08.2017 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tw2113
To quote: "You're a blatant Trumposexual Wayne! You might as well face it you're addicted to Trump! (Quewuwe 80s music video)"

in short, he's spewing shit.


Right.

Loving that ignore feature just now.

PLips 02.09.2017 04:27 AM

Wayne is jealous because he has to pretend he's not Wayne Coyne online while I am free to admit I'm Danny Molek whenever I am forced to!

Sucks to have millions of fans eh Wayne! Now you wish you were a poverty loser like me!

Severian 02.09.2017 11:58 AM

Does anyone else sometimes troll wannabe-Limbaugh Dennis Prager? If you're interested, few people deserve it more. Check him out on Facebook for some of the most consistently horrifying shit this side of the 00's. If something can conceivably be called "offensive" by anyone with an even moderately liberal mindset, this ass-clown is sharing and liking and RTing the fuck out of it.

tesla69 02.09.2017 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Severian
Does anyone else sometimes troll wannabe-Limbaugh Dennis Prager? If you're interested, few people deserve it more. Check him out on Facebook for some of the most consistently horrifying shit this side of the 00's. If something can conceivably be called "offensive" by anyone with an even moderately liberal mindset, this ass-clown is sharing and liking and RTing the fuck out of it.


Why would you legitimate this with your attention? Let him build a network on facebook and then you can buy the network list from zuck and then kill them all.

Why don't people get it? - facebook is their platform - you can't win on their platform.

!@#$%! 02.10.2017 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tesla69
Why would you legitimate this with your attention? Let him build a network on facebook and then you can buy the network list from zuck and then kill them all.

Why don't people get it? - facebook is their platform - you can't win on their platform.

killall -l

it's not working...

PLips 02.10.2017 10:00 AM

Here's Marcus Zucaritas (Mark Zuckerberg of the Roman Empire) from the PergamonMuseum Berlin. Yeah daaaaaamn right I went there and drew 'em in 2006! Figure out the other two reincarnation and you can take this fucker down!
 

PLips 02.11.2017 08:16 PM

The Greek Bazooki theatre guy is Chris Farley's ancestor and the other goy is Bob. Just regualr run of the mill Bob. What about 808?


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