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!@#$%! 02.09.2019 09:32 AM

antonioni took cortázar mostly as an inspiration. itks not the same story. the short story is the best of the lot, but would be impossible to make as film almost. the short story is more about, oh... the blurring of subject and object, maybe? and there is the photograph and the enlargement and the obsession but... ok i see it with antonioni, he tried to get at it in his own way. but it’s a very delicate thing to achieve even in writing. in film... wow.

mike leigh called it the worst movie ever and a bunch of pretentious crap haahaaahaaa. i can see why. opposite metaphysics. materialism vs idealism or something. me i draw the line at last year ar marienbad. zzzzzz. that was not antonioni though. but one could make a similar complaint—pretentious, tries to fuck with reality, who cares.

the reading of blowup has changed over the decades of course. it’s not what it once was. we live in politically correct times. the 60s loved orgies more because they were supposedly liberating, but now people are after... perfect virtue i guess. or the appearance of it anyway.

still i dont think antonioni was... celebrating that whole scene. there was a massive loneliness here as well. if it was popular likely it was in spite of itself.

im gonna guess with depalma he made the image more baroque, removed all subtleties, and emphasized the schlocky bits? which i dont mind at all btw hahaha. i’ll check it out when criterion reopens april 8.

demonrail666 02.09.2019 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Eugene Felikson

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What is it about Kill Bill that you guys dont like?

The only thing I can think of is maybe that's where Tarantino's work became more kitschy. I love me some kitsch and sleaze. De Palma, Argento, John Waters, etc.


I loved Jackie Brown and felt like Tarantino was really maturing into a rounded filmmaker. So Kill Bill and everything after that felt like a huge step backwards.

Dr. Eugene Felikson 02.09.2019 11:04 AM

Jackie Brown is outstanding. Wasnt it originally seen as a disappointment coming out after Pulp?

_tunic_ 02.09.2019 11:08 AM

I love Jackie Brown! It got a lot of negativity, as far as I recall, but fuck them. it shouldn't be compared to pulp fiction

h8kurdt 02.09.2019 12:23 PM

My main problem with Tarantino is that every single shot of every single film, and pretty much every scene at that, can be traced to another earlier film. People like to say "oh it's a homage!" Nah, it ain't a homage. Scorcese referencing the lost weekend in taxi driver (the shot with the aspirin bubbling in the glass of water) is a homage. Stealing every shot without a hint of originality of your own is just theft. Plus I'll never forget Mark Kermode pointing out that every character sounds the same is/sounds like Tarantino. Once I heard that it was a "holy shit so they do!" moment.

Don't get me wrong Pulp Fiction and so on are enjoyable but is he as brilliant as everyone seems to think? Fuck no.

Fuck him. Hack.

Edit:And if anyone throws that Picasso line of great artists stealing I will hunt you down and stab you.

Dr. Eugene Felikson 02.09.2019 02:13 PM

^ I've always considered it being the same sense as hip hop artists sampling other songs and making it their own

!@#$%! 02.09.2019 02:29 PM

no offense meant to your childhood, but as a grownup for me kill bill was just stupid, bloated, overly long, ridiculous, boring.

homage homage homage homage homage zzzzzzzzzz

it was full of tics and winks and nonsense and i felt nothing

to me it’s like he was given free rein to do whatever he wanted and he did exactly that, but i don’t care about what he cares about so i didn’t

revenge or something. ok. to hide the emptiness.

i do understand being dazzled by his style though especially as a kid. he does have a ton of style. but ultimately for me it got tiring.

!@#$%! 02.09.2019 02:33 PM

ps: he should challenge himself and make a silent movie

Severian 02.09.2019 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Eugene Felikson
Jackie Brown is outstanding. Wasnt it originally seen as a disappointment coming out after Pulp?


Of course it was, by audiences wanting the exact same thing again.

I saw it when it opened and it was great. Has actually gotten better with time. Good, solid fucking film.

Severian 02.09.2019 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by demonrail666
I loved Jackie Brown and felt like Tarantino was really maturing into a rounded filmmaker. So Kill Bill and everything after that felt like a huge step backwards.


Kill Bill is great

I see you out there, judging me, but fuck you, all of you

Kill Bill is Tarantino’s superhero movie, and it’s fucking awesome. Is it his *best* film? Absolutely 100% not. No. But ... it might be my favorite. Especially volume 1.

!@#$%! 02.09.2019 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Severian
Kill Bill is Tarantino’s superhero movie,


aaaaaah...

so that’s why it’s so bad and so popular at the same time! hahahaha

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Originally Posted by Severian
Of course it was, by audiences wanting the exact same thing again.

I saw it when it opened and it was great. Has actually gotten better with time. Good, solid fucking film.

and yeah this is making me watch jackie brown again actually

demonrail666 02.09.2019 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Severian
Kill Bill is great

I see you out there, judging me, but fuck you, all of you

Kill Bill is Tarantino’s superhero movie, and it’s fucking awesome. Is it his *best* film? Absolutely 100% not. No. But ... it might be my favorite. Especially volume 1.


Tarantino seems stuck in perpetual adolescence, trying a bit too hard to impress everyone with all the 'cool' obscure movies he's seen. It's something he really should've grown out of by now. Not just as a filmmaker but as a person. I can't even listen to his dialogue anymore without feeling that none of his characters are actually talking; they're just quoting Quentin Tarantino to one another. It's autism masquerading as auteurism.

h8kurdt 02.09.2019 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by demonrail666
Tarantino seems stuck in perpetual adolescence, trying a bit too hard to impress everyone with all the 'cool' obscure movies he's seen. It's something he really should've grown out of by now. Not just as a filmmaker but as a person. I can't even listen to his dialogue anymore without feeling that none of his characters are actually talking; they're just quoting Quentin Tarantino to one another. It's autism masquerading as auteurism.


This.

!@#$%! 02.09.2019 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by demonrail666
Tarantino seems stuck in perpetual adolescence, trying a bit too hard to impress everyone with all the 'cool' obscure movies he's seen. It's something he really should've grown out of by now. Not just as a filmmaker but as a person. I can't even listen to his dialogue anymore without feeling that none of his characters are actually talking; they're just quoting Quentin Tarantino to one another. It's autism masquerading as auteurism.

 

Severian 02.09.2019 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by demonrail666
Tarantino seems stuck in perpetual adolescence, trying a bit too hard to impress everyone with all the 'cool' obscure movies he's seen. It's something he really should've grown out of by now. Not just as a filmmaker but as a person. I can't even listen to his dialogue anymore without feeling that none of his characters are actually talking; they're just quoting Quentin Tarantino to one another. It's autism masquerading as auteurism.


I don’t give a shit what it is, Kill Bill is a fucking blast.

Except for the utterly bleak moments in volume 2, which are a downer...

But it’s a fun, kickass movie, well-made, knowingly silly and also dramatic at weird times. It’s fun as hell.

Tarantino released one of the greatest movies ever, and people think that means anything that isn’t profound or perfect (as Pulp Fiction is) is a failure. Well fuck that shit.

Did anyone see Kill Bill in the theater? It was more fun than any action film released at that point in the decade.

It also did the important job of winning back some casual viewers, after the too-smart-for-most Jackie Brown, which is sad but part of the deal.

Nolan released Batman so he could make Prestige. Did the sequel so he could do Inception. Did the third so he could do whatever the fuck he wanted forever, and we got Interstellar and Dunkirk.

Indie filmmakers who want to stay relevant and draw viewers have to make the occasional mass-appeal flick, and Kill Bill is about the most badass mass-appeal flick ever (not counting the aforementioned Batfilms which I promised Slambang I wouldn’t talk about for a while).

I don’t believe ANY of you didn’t enjoy Kill Bill. Tell me you didn’t, I’ll call you liars.

!@#$%! 02.09.2019 10:07 PM

please sev dont have a meltdown cuz some people here didnt like this movie

millions of people liked it. even fucking benihana liked it and put the music in their commercial

i... dont like benihana or the commercial or kill bill.

all artists repeat themselves but tarantino does it in a tiresome empty kind of way

to see this is not a tragedy

the real tragedy was that he made death proof though. that movie had nothing

ps- uma hates him now

Severian 02.09.2019 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
please sev dont have a meltdown cuz some people here didnt like this movie

millions of people liked it. even fucking benihana liked it and put the music in their commercial

i... dont like benihana or the commercial or kill bill.

all artists repeat themselves but tarantino does it in a tiresome empty kind of way

to see this is not a tragedy

the real tragedy was that he made death proof though. that movie had nothing

ps- uma hates him now


You mistake my using lots of words and saying “fuck” for having a meltdown, when I’m enjoying myself.

Why do you want to take my joy away?

But yeah, I’ve only seen parts of death proof but I don’t care to see more.

tw2113 02.09.2019 11:24 PM

Officially chiming in as one who does not get the cult of Tarentino. MEH I SAY!

h8kurdt 02.10.2019 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Severian
I don’t give a shit what it is, Kill Bill is a fucking blast.

Except for the utterly bleak moments in volume 2, which are a downer...

But it’s a fun, kickass movie, well-made, knowingly silly and also dramatic at weird times. It’s fun as hell.

Tarantino released one of the greatest movies ever, and people think that means anything that isn’t profound or perfect (as Pulp Fiction is) is a failure. Well fuck that shit.

Did anyone see Kill Bill in the theater? It was more fun than any action film released at that point in the decade.

It also did the important job of winning back some casual viewers, after the too-smart-for-most Jackie Brown, which is sad but part of the deal.

Nolan released Batman so he could make Prestige. Did the sequel so he could do Inception. Did the third so he could do whatever the fuck he wanted forever, and we got Interstellar and Dunkirk.

Indie filmmakers who want to stay relevant and draw viewers have to make the occasional mass-appeal flick, and Kill Bill is about the most badass mass-appeal flick ever (not counting the aforementioned Batfilms which I promised Slambang I wouldn’t talk about for a while).

I don’t believe ANY of you didn’t enjoy Kill Bill. Tell me you didn’t, I’ll call you liars.


WHEY!!! *does a shot*

demonrail666 02.10.2019 04:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Severian
I don’t give a shit what it is, Kill Bill is a fucking blast.

Except for the utterly bleak moments in volume 2, which are a downer...

But it’s a fun, kickass movie, well-made, knowingly silly and also dramatic at weird times. It’s fun as hell.

Tarantino released one of the greatest movies ever, and people think that means anything that isn’t profound or perfect (as Pulp Fiction is) is a failure. Well fuck that shit.

Did anyone see Kill Bill in the theater? It was more fun than any action film released at that point in the decade.

It also did the important job of winning back some casual viewers, after the too-smart-for-most Jackie Brown, which is sad but part of the deal.

Nolan released Batman so he could make Prestige. Did the sequel so he could do Inception. Did the third so he could do whatever the fuck he wanted forever, and we got Interstellar and Dunkirk.

Indie filmmakers who want to stay relevant and draw viewers have to make the occasional mass-appeal flick, and Kill Bill is about the most badass mass-appeal flick ever (not counting the aforementioned Batfilms which I promised Slambang I wouldn’t talk about for a while).

I don’t believe ANY of you didn’t enjoy Kill Bill. Tell me you didn’t, I’ll call you liars.


You seem to have a real problem with the idea that not everyone likes or enjoys the same things you do.

Severian 02.10.2019 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by demonrail666
You seem to have a real problem with the idea that not everyone likes or enjoys the same things you do.


Heeeeehhhh?

Why do people think I’m mad or upset?

Just participating. Like what you want.

Or wait, no, I’m angry that someone I don’t know doesn’t like kill bill ... I don’t realize that millions of people dislike everything I like, and I’m personally invested in flipping you.

demonrail666 02.10.2019 01:34 PM

It did come across as a bit of a rant, but anyway. I think there are two Tarantinos: pre and post Kill Bill. I suppose you can like both or neither but there's certainly grounds for liking one while not being interested in the other.

Severian 02.10.2019 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by demonrail666
It did come across as a bit of a rant, but anyway. I think there are two Tarantinos: pre and post Kill Bill. I suppose you can like both or neither but there's certainly grounds for liking one while not being interested in the other.


Sure, that’s just how taste works.

Personally, I’ve lost all interest in Reservoir Dogs, and think it’s way overrated. I’d rank it below Django Unchained... maybe even below The Thing Out West... Er... Hateful 8.

Pulp Fiction, Jackie Brown are top-notch films. Inglorious and Django are really really good films that will probably be considered classics someday, but are not at the level of Pulp Fiction and Jackie Brown.

Kill Bill is also a really good film, in my opinion, for completely different reasons.

(Shrug)

Dr. Eugene Felikson 02.11.2019 12:42 AM

What's the word on Reign of Fire? Anyone here seen this before?

 

demonrail666 02.11.2019 10:59 AM

I managed about 20 minutes before giving up on it.

Severian 02.11.2019 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Eugene Felikson
What's the word on Reign of Fire? Anyone here seen this before?

 



That...

Looks terrible.

Dr. Eugene Felikson 02.11.2019 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Severian
That...

Looks terrible.


Dude, they fight fuckin dragons with helicopters and tanks!

Weep in yr grave Fellini

!@#$%! 02.11.2019 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Eugene Felikson
Dude, they fight fuckin dragons with helicopters and tanks!

Weep in yr grave Fellini

roflmao

needs more rep!!

Severian 02.11.2019 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Eugene Felikson
Dude, they fight fuckin dragons with helicopters and tanks!

Weep in yr grave Fellini


Honestly sounds a little cooler now, also nice burn.

Dr. Eugene Felikson 02.11.2019 04:27 PM

^ love ya', bud

 

ilduclo 02.16.2019 05:31 PM

Hereditary.

Scary as fuck

Severian 02.16.2019 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ilduclo
Hereditary.

Scary as fuck


Was it, like, “gets in your bones” scary? Deeply upsetting and unnerving scary in a way that fucks you up for a while after?

I got that vibe after about 15 minutes and decided to postpone. Too fragile.

Anti-Christ fucked me up for like 6 months. Not trying to go back there.

tw2113 02.16.2019 11:36 PM

Raiders of the Lost Ark followed by 2005's Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy due to discussion with friends that happened while watching Raiders.

ilduclo 02.17.2019 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Severian
Was it, like, “gets in your bones” scary? Deeply upsetting and unnerving scary in a way that fucks you up for a while after?

I got that vibe after about 15 minutes and decided to postpone. Too fragile.

Anti-Christ fucked me up for like 6 months. Not trying to go back there.


It reminded me of Kill List a bit. Very slow burn. Once it gets there, it’s a pretty unsettling movie.

LifeDistortion 02.17.2019 01:48 PM

 

Dr. Eugene Felikson 02.18.2019 12:19 AM

 


As much fun as the first two movies, if not more so. What a fun franchise this turned out to be overall. I enjoy imagining Sandler in the booth voicing Dracula. Also so glad Mel Brooks is still outputting creatively at his age.

 


A somewhat unique premise (unless you've seen Argento's Stendhal Syndrome) which fails to be interesting in every regard. Bland as a spiritual successor to Nightcrawler, milquetoast as a send up of pretentious art culture (Ghost World, Pecker, or Art School Confidential this is not), and an utter snooze as horror schlock. Watch Velvet Buzzsaw, and yawn through some lame ass deaths.

Nearly every character is purposefully unlikable and shallow, leaving you wondering why the hell you're even bothering to watch them. What a waste of John Malkovich also. Could he phone it in more here? Oh look he's pretentious and full of himself, just like every other character in this mov... zzzzzz

LifeDistortion 02.18.2019 01:57 AM

Velvet Buzzsaw was such a letdown. I was going to call it his sophomore slump, but its his third directed movie. I think it comes down to, you just don't care about any of the characters, so you don't care about their fate. Its needlessly overlong, this might have been a fun movie if they made it a nice 80-something minute movie.

!@#$%! 02.18.2019 08:46 AM

oh no! i was sort of looking forward to velvet buzzaw...

Dr. Eugene Felikson 02.18.2019 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by LifeDistortion
Velvet Buzzsaw was such a letdown. I was going to call it his sophomore slump, but its his third directed movie. I think it comes down to, you just don't care about any of the characters, so you don't care about their fate. Its needlessly overlong, this might have been a fun movie if they made it a nice 80-something minute movie.


There isn't even 80 minutes of worthwhile material in Velvet Buzzsaw. The funeral scene with Gyllenhaal critiquing the tone of the coffin wood got me to laugh, and then the art dude mistaking the trash bag in John Malkovich's studio for a piece was smile worthy, but that's really it.

I was expecting a stylish thriller of some sort, but instead I got some straight to DVD horror schlock wrapped in a half-assed "lol isn't art vapid?" flame retardant blanket.

ilduclo 02.18.2019 09:54 AM

I've yet to see a modern art film that gets it right, there are some good biographies, though

one of the best ones, IMO

Cindy Sherman - Nobody's Here But Me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXKNuWtXZ_U


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